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« on: May 19, 2004, 13:05:16 »

you see a lot of these things or you have trouble projecting when around them?
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2004, 13:23:32 »

Oh I hate power lines! I think they are a personal symbol for me though, I keep getting tangled or zapped if I try to fly around them or avoid them. I have less trouble if I just plow through them. Problem is I never can fly high or low enough to avoid them. They have to be one of those things I just haven't figured out yet. As far as RTZ goes, I'm not sure I'e encountered any in the RTZ cuase I never know if I'm in the RTZ.

Cats, funny you should mention that. I dreamed about cats last night; one anyway. I was watching the doves in my yard with my pup, Sandy. She likes to chase them. This man appears out of nowhere and shoves a cat in my arms and tells me I need one to get rid of the birds. I'm insulted. My Dog does a fine job all by herself. The Cat runs the opposite direction of the birds and I my dog follows. I'm barefoot and there's snow on the ground where there wasn't moments before. I snatch the cat up and get ready to shove the thing back into the mans arms. The cat wraps it's legs around my aram and digs its claws in. I shake my arm but the cat refuses to let go. The whole time Sandy is yipping madly and the man is howling with luaghter. I hate cats...I really do. Whenever I dream about cats they are there to be a nuisance and are no help at all. A RTZ cat may be different, but like the power lines, I simply don't when I'm in the RTZ.
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2004, 13:23:32 »

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2004, 15:15:01 »

yeah, i have had a cat experience, cat saw me and was freaked out yet intrigued at what i was, about power lines, never been through one, how ever i have gone up a large radio mast that has quite a large electromagnetic output and i had no problems what so ever with it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2004, 18:58:45 »

I have had up to six cats but never saw one while obe. I live in the country so I see lots of trees. I wonder what experiences people have that move from one exteme to another-city to country.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2004, 08:41:18 »

I heard cats are tuned in to psychic phenomenom
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2004, 10:03:09 »

There are some specific events, dividing lucid dreams and out of body experiences, and some weird issues with cats & power-lines are definitely one of those.

Manix, your post is simply hit me. I don't expect it to come so early. There are two things I have to heighten from it:

1. regarding to power-lines
"I have less trouble if I just plow through them. Problem is I never can fly high or low enough to avoid them."

2. regarding to dream cats
"The cat wraps it's legs around my arm and digs its claws in. I shake my arm but the cat refuses to let go." [edited]

Until we reach consensus, I suggest you to try to avoid those events.

Now, I'm waiting for further posts, because I'm sure as hell, every expert have to had some tales with cats & power-lines.

Keep posting.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2004, 05:12:05 »

I was going to make a seperate thread for this, but I didn't think it was that important...I have seen everyone using the term 'RTZ' a lot.  What does this mean?

Thanks [Smiley]

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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2004, 13:42:16 »

Hm...hijacking my little thread? You'll be punished by dream cats.

As you can see, everyone use this term on this forum, so I've borroved it too, presumably from RB.

Well, in an RTZ-OBE you are supposed to perceive the objective realty. Real Time Zone is the consciousness of here and now, when is no relativistic time dilatation beetween the projected consciousness and the brain's memory processing systems, therefore the brain is supposed to be able to process sensory informations in real time downloaded into the bioplasm/projector body. However, it's not so simple, I plan to write something about it soon. Just make that thread...



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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2004, 18:51:41 »

An interesting aside-I once took a class in geopathic dowsing and it turns out that there are geopathic lines that are produced by the AC power grid called hartman lines, along with other negative ley lines that can be dowsed. It turns out that cats love to sleep on the intersection of the geopathic lines(now we know why cats won't sleep where we try to put them). I didn't totally believe it until I dowsed it a few times myself. I suppose since these are subtle energies there would be some kind of carry over to the RTZ.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2004, 17:35:47 »

okey, I happened to mention something regarding my cat in another forum thread, upstream seemed very eager that I would post about it here, so here I go...

I have what I call a "astral cat", for lack of a better term... It's like any other cat, acts the same, it likes to lay next to me in bed when I go to sleep. It walks around in circles in bed making itself comfortable, uses it's claws in bed like cats do etc.

When I first began to practise projection I started feeling something walking in bed... At the time it was scary... I felt it clearly, opened my eyes, and saw nothing... Eventually I figured I was nuts, imagining it.

Then one day I woke up in the morning with real-time sight, an ability to see into the astral while still in body, occures in a certain state of trance. I saw this cat on the floor, licking itself. I snapped out of the real-time sight, figured it had to have been a subconcious projection.

I still felt the walking, and I did associate it with the cat... it really felt like a cat... I have had cats in my youths, so am very aware of how it feels when they want to sleep with you. I associated the cat I saw with what I kept feeling every night. But I just couldn't believe it for sure.

Then one morning I woke up, felt the cat walk around in bed again... Felt it walking up to the top of my back (I was sleeping on my side), and laying down against it. I became pussled, it felt very real... I then used what I thought at the time was my physical hands, and felt behind my back. I felt the head of a cat, and whiskars. I became more pussled, thoughts like how did it get in? Did it jump through an open window? No the windows are closed. I put my hand there again, felt the cat head, just as real as if being a physical cat. My mind started to wander again, now I started to realize I must be split... so what is it not a cat? It feels like a cat, but still...

Then I was back in body, and could see no cat.

Since then the feelings have became more and more real. I can lay down in bed, not relaxed at all, and eyes open and feel it jump up on bed, walk over to my legs or other part, there walk around in circles scratching the bed, and laying down next to my legs.

It seems to notice when I go to bed, or try to practise, more often than not, I feel it jump up in bed, or if already there make itself comfortable.

Several times since then I have been able to feel it using my astral hands.

At one point I was laying on my back, I split, and the cat was sleeping on my chest, with his noose against my lips. I asked to be taken somewhere, was pulled up into the air, the cat got angry, since what it was sleeping on was dragged away, and jumped down.

At another point, which I think is quite amazing... I was laying down in bed, not relaxed at all, eyes still open. I started to feel the cat walk around. It walked in front of my face, layed down, and I felt it "inside" my mouth. It felt uncomfortable, so I moved, the cat stood up, and walked over to my back. And since the cat is non-physical it can penetrate physical objects. It layed down next to my bed, but penetrated about 1cm into my back... Which hurt! or rather a mix of burt and very uncomfortable. I moved again, the cat walked over to my face again... I saw nothing, but did feel it walk, and I felt the bed pressing down where it walks (that always happens). I felt it in front of my face, saw nothing. Then I closed my eyes, and I saw this shadowy shape of a cat head. The cat moved towards my face, and then down to my legs, where it layed down and slept for the rest of the night (or till I fell asleep).

Another thing worth mentioning, I woke up, felt the cat lay next to me on my back. It seemed to be very comfortable, I felt it's claws, it keps putting it's claws on my skin, like cats do when comfortable. Then all of a sudden the claws penetrated my skin, and it HURT! I imidiately jumped up, realizing I must have been split. The pain feels the same as if a physical cat would have done it, but is not a "lasting" pain.

I am not sure how many find this interesting, but since upstream wanted me to post, I thought why not explain it in detail. Anyhow, last thing... A few days ago I was dreaming, then suddenly a cat showed up in the dream, jumped on me... I woke up from the dream. But I could still feel the cat on me, I quickly realized I was split and the astral cat was licking me in the face. It kept licking like crazy. I noticed I could move my astral hands, so I tried to "lure" it over to my hands, so I could get a better look at it since it was on my left side. It didn't seem interested at all in my astral hands, nor my attempts to get it to move over, it just kept licking me. Then I was back in body, "wasted" my time trying to get the cat over instead of getting up.


I know this was probably a pretty long post, but I hope someone finds it interesting.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2004, 17:40:32 »

A comfort spirit?
Something to make the astral seems more comfortable and perhaps at times to insist you haul butt out of your bed and body [Wink]

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2004, 20:36:54 »

I have no cats, but I often feel things walking on my bed. I have Gerbils and I sometimes let them play on the bed. And thats what it feels like; four very small paws bounding around on the bed. Is it possible that some creatures are more in tune with the astral? I have had several disscussions on Aquaria forums where folks dream about their fish, swimming around in the air. It's a common dream theme among aquarists I suppose.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2004, 14:50:13 »

My little cat, who have had a miserably life, has just died. He was pompous and arrogant like me, and come to his end in his own urine, blood and glop. Ha has died in my arms, because of my stupid idea... because of me. No words can express what I feel now.

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2004, 15:28:49 »

Chances are good you should be able to see and talk to him in the astral upstream. Many people talk to their pets in the astral, they can answer them questions only the pet would know (including yourself), and then confirm it later. However I don't think it's the actual incarnated pet to whom you speak, but rather his higher self. But that is of course just my theory.

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2004, 17:05:26 »

I'm hoping the same...

I was witnessed to his desperate efforts trying to understand social rules. He could learned a lot about human buisness by interacting with my family. I'm just so sorry about his premature leaving.

The doctor hadn't brought a catheeter and I came up with the stupid idea that we could perforate his bladder. He have had a terrific death.

Thanks for your detailed description about your astral cat. It has many purpose to serve.



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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2004, 20:03:20 »

This is an intruiging topic for sure.

I've been losing a lot of skepticism lately reading about people's experiences and re-reading through Astral Dynamics.

Anyway, from what I've heard and from my own experiences, it does seem that cats are able to perceive things in the astral, and also have some spiritual significance (consider the Egypt's obsession with cats and the afterlife).

In personal experiences, in my second-ever lucid dream I became lucid when I turned into an eagle (whenever I fly in a dream I now become lucid). Anyway, so I was soaring on an updraft alongside a cliff when suddenly a cat pounced from the cliff and stuck all its claws into me. They were abnormally long claws and they really hurt.

Also, in another thread about my experiences with NEW, there's an experience I had lately. While I was practicing NEW in a recliner, I got a strong tingly sensation in my crown area. This went on for a little while, and then my friend's cat jumped onto the chair and started sniffing around the top of my head.

I haven't had any experiences with power lines that I recall.

Oh, and I do think that at least some animals live on in the astral and can be talked to. I think there's a good chance you could talk with your cat, Upstream, if you wanted to.
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2004, 02:57:07 »

This thread was the ruin of a perfectly good Lucid Dream I was having.

I read this thread last night before going to bed, and I had lucid drean too.  I was in a an old car from the sixties, but I was flying in it.  Next to me in the passenger seat sat a friend of mine who died a cople years ago.  We were talking about something, and then all of a sudden I ask him, "You're dead aren't you?" in a matter of fact way that you talk in in dreams.  He looked at me and said "yeah" and the he just kinda went away.  So I'm on the ground and I decide to fly b/c I realize that I'm dreaming and I started to fly through these tall tree/bush plants, just letting them pass right through me.  On top of one I see this cat who is made out of the evergreen plant type material that the bushes were made out of.  I then statred to think about this topic and how cats mess w/ peoples projections.  The cat sees me, pounces on me, and I wake up.  The wierd thing is I couldn't feel the trees pass through me but I cout feel the evergreen cat's claws go through me.  Was a pretty wierd a expirience but cool none the less.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2004, 09:24:03 »

Two things, I've often stumble upon when roaming around the RTZ is cats & power-lines. I'm suppose to found my answers, but still curious to others' opinions and experiences. So, please be kind enough, and share...

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