Do Astral Experiences Reduce the Fear of Death?

[Contenteo]

I suppose the problem with NDEs is that I've never had one. I would definitely count them as evidence but not yet compelling enough to completely convince me.

I can't argue with a man who wants to see that facts for himself. That's cautious and noble. However, if you don't want to almost die, you may want to take a statistical route. A good amount of research has been done with objectively rating NDE individual cases. You can take that data, and find a pattern.

Here's one of the many sites I found a while ago when I was first researching this. Most of the research seems to be happening outside America.

http://www.integralworld.net/vanlommel.html

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Chaos Mage]

I've heard people in the chat lines say, "There is no death."
Around that time, I was very depressed, suicidal, and suffering from both neuroleptic shock, withdrawals, and anxiety attacks.  I over dosed on pills, but woke up gradually over a few days, and returned to reality.  Apparently, based on the condition of the house and cuts on my body, my physical body got up, vomitted out the pills, and was even walking around town and talking to people.  This does not bode well, yet, it seems that the non conscious part of me survived.  Does that make sense?  That the consciousness was impaired, yet the physical body survived by controlling itself?

At that same time, I was making contact with various occult groups, and even experienced astral invaders, which my cat also responded too with violent attacks to defend my prone, sedated body.  Is there a link between connection to an occult group and a suicide shortly after?  And then for the body to survive it, simply by becoming so violently ill that the body hijacked it's own controls and got up, promptly fell against various objects in the house, got sick, and then began to go a step further and check people out in town, I mean really, that's amazing.

So in one case, we have the spirit body, and in another, we have the physical.  It is said that when these are in direct alignment, there is no confusion, energy for sensory feats or psychic ability, and also, power to move the physical body beyond the limits of what is normally thought to be corporeal reality.

Well enough of that, I just wanted to add, if the Spirit is infinite and absolute, also, transcending and generating the physical, then we can power up our spirits and go astral directly from a meditative standpoint.  Whether we die, or whether we transcend, it doesn't matter, we still return to the Spirit level.  Banishing can also have the same effect.

I've had NDE and mine were very linear.  I watched my body die, and then my reality began to reconfigure itself, going through phases in which entities and gods and things appeared and took care of the matter, and finally, I watched myself return to reality in a mystical burst of voidal energy.  It's like I went into the astral, and travelled to specific planar focals, and revived.  I wake up in bed, and I look fantastic, can't really complain about that.

[Stillwater]

I've heard people in the chat lines say, "There is no death."
Around that time, I was very depressed, suicidal, and suffering from both neuroleptic shock, withdrawals, and anxiety attacks.  I over dosed on pills, but woke up gradually over a few days, and returned to reality.  Apparently, based on the condition of the house and cuts on my body, my physical body got up, vomitted out the pills, and was even walking around town and talking to people.  This does not bode well, yet, it seems that the non conscious part of me survived.  Does that make sense?  That the consciousness was impaired, yet the physical body survived by controlling itself?

Hard to say for sure, but I think this might be one of those cases where the physical body was in such trauma and the neurotransmitters were so depressed that although you were acting with some of your normal personality and consciousness, your brain was unable to form lasting memories of the events- sort of like when people drink excessive amounts of alcohol, and they interact with their friends as they normally would, but their brain is unable to generate memories, and so later in their recollections they see this time as a "blackout" which they can't account for.

It seems far more likely that your brain was unable to record that time as memory for you than a "zombie body" was functioning in your place, if that is any comfort to you.

[tomcat941]

To be honest, the knowledge off AP and even my own unitentional OOBE has done nothing to change me perspective of death. At the moment, i'm not sure where i stand with my view on the afterlife. I don't believe that everyone has a purpose, because if you look at some people, you can see that they have contributed nothing. Although, i'm not in a posistion and never will be to judge the worth of someones life, and no one knows everything about someone, so i can't really say that they haven't done something wortwhile. Plus there is the fact that just because you have a purpose, doesn't mean you will achieve it. As for death, i fear the death of others, because regardless of what comes next, it is still a seperation that may last forever. The thing that frustrates me the most about death is my inability to form a belief about what happens, or even know what i want to happen. I do not fear my own personal death, the on l y thing that annoys me is that i might not be around to see the reactions, which is selfish, but i think it's something we all want to know, especially if we are about to leave this reality of existance. THe thing that has changed my perspective on death the most has been my depression. During that time i was suicidal, and even though i attempted it, there was something that kept stopping me (ok, ignoring the time when the rope snapped, that wasn't my choice) and i've never been able to work out what it was/is, which annoys me, because i don't know why i'm still living, all i know is that there is something that makes me want to keep living on some level. It's very possible that this is mere survival instinct, or just fear of death again, but perhaps it's because i do have a purpose, and i am being kept here. To be honest, i favour survival instinct, but it's a theory. As for AP reducing the fear of death...i doubt it, for me personally. It's a bit like asking do dreams reduce your fear of death? I see them as similiar things, with some higher meaning, but mainly a product of myself, and therefore irrelevent to the afterlife.

[Paul-garr]

I can't argue with a man who wants to see that facts for himself. That's cautious and noble. However, if you don't want to almost die, you may want to take a statistical route. A good amount of research has been done with objectively rating NDE individual cases. You can take that data, and find a pattern.

Here's one of the many sites I found a while ago when I was first researching this. Most of the research seems to be happening outside America.

http://www.integralworld.net/vanlommel.html

Cheers,
Contenteo

Thanks Contenteo, I'll check those links out.
I'm hoping that there are other ways to find personal compelling evidence that I can find convincing without almost dying first

I've heard people in the chat lines say, "There is no death."
Around that time, I was very depressed, suicidal, and suffering from both neuroleptic shock, withdrawals, and anxiety attacks.  I over dosed on pills, but woke up gradually over a few days, and returned to reality.  Apparently, based on the condition of the house and cuts on my body, my physical body got up, vomitted out the pills, and was even walking around town and talking to people.  This does not bode well, yet, it seems that the non conscious part of me survived.  Does that make sense?  That the consciousness was impaired, yet the physical body survived by controlling itself?

At that same time, I was making contact with various occult groups, and even experienced astral invaders, which my cat also responded too with violent attacks to defend my prone, sedated body.  Is there a link between connection to an occult group and a suicide shortly after?  And then for the body to survive it, simply by becoming so violently ill that the body hijacked it's own controls and got up, promptly fell against various objects in the house, got sick, and then began to go a step further and check people out in town, I mean really, that's amazing.

So in one case, we have the spirit body, and in another, we have the physical.  It is said that when these are in direct alignment, there is no confusion, energy for sensory feats or psychic ability, and also, power to move the physical body beyond the limits of what is normally thought to be corporeal reality.

Well enough of that, I just wanted to add, if the Spirit is infinite and absolute, also, transcending and generating the physical, then we can power up our spirits and go astral directly from a meditative standpoint.  Whether we die, or whether we transcend, it doesn't matter, we still return to the Spirit level.  Banishing can also have the same effect.

I've had NDE and mine were very linear.  I watched my body die, and then my reality began to reconfigure itself, going through phases in which entities and gods and things appeared and took care of the matter, and finally, I watched myself return to reality in a mystical burst of voidal energy.  It's like I went into the astral, and travelled to specific planar focals, and revived.  I wake up in bed, and I look fantastic, can't really complain about that.

Thanks Chaos Mage, I was a drunk for 2 decades and I regularly suffered from blackouts so can imagine how that must have been. I once split up with a girlfriend and had no memory of it afterwards. Your experience with an NDE is fascinating.

To be honest, the knowledge off AP and even my own unitentional OOBE has done nothing to change me perspective of death. At the moment, i'm not sure where i stand with my view on the afterlife. I don't believe that everyone has a purpose, because if you look at some people, you can see that they have contributed nothing. Although, i'm not in a posistion and never will be to judge the worth of someones life, and no one knows everything about someone, so i can't really say that they haven't done something wortwhile. Plus there is the fact that just because you have a purpose, doesn't mean you will achieve it. As for death, i fear the death of others, because regardless of what comes next, it is still a seperation that may last forever. The thing that frustrates me the most about death is my inability to form a belief about what happens, or even know what i want to happen. I do not fear my own personal death, the on l y thing that annoys me is that i might not be around to see the reactions, which is selfish, but i think it's something we all want to know, especially if we are about to leave this reality of existance. THe thing that has changed my perspective on death the most has been my depression. During that time i was suicidal, and even though i attempted it, there was something that kept stopping me (ok, ignoring the time when the rope snapped, that wasn't my choice) and i've never been able to work out what it was/is, which annoys me, because i don't know why i'm still living, all i know is that there is something that makes me want to keep living on some level. It's very possible that this is mere survival instinct, or just fear of death again, but perhaps it's because i do have a purpose, and i am being kept here. To be honest, i favour survival instinct, but it's a theory. As for AP reducing the fear of death...i doubt it, for me personally. It's a bit like asking do dreams reduce your fear of death? I see them as similiar things, with some higher meaning, but mainly a product of myself, and therefore irrelevent to the afterlife.

Thanks tomcat, maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but looking for these answers in the astral. It just seems the logical place for me to look at the moment. Maybe the best that I can hope for is that my search of evidence that consciousness survives death will keep my mind occupied  

[Kirkland]

I don't believe that everyone has a purpose, because if you look at some people, you can see that they have contributed nothing.

I don't know if everyone has a purpose but I think it is possible. Maybe however we can split people into two groups those who have direct purposes and those who have indirect purposes. Those who have direct purposes are quite proactive in what they do and you can see they have contributed whilst those who have indirect purposes are a little different. In that you can't see their purpose based on contribution but indirectly they do have a purpose.

Chaos theory explains it really well I think though I am sure you've heard of it let me explain it again for the benefit of anyone who doesn't. Basically the theory goes that a small action can create a big reaction eg a butterfly in the UK can cause a hurricane in the USA. So how does that relate to purpose? Well say someone does something be it physically or mentally say for instance they are generous for once in their lives to someone that could then transfer to the person they are generous too making them more generous and so on and so on.

Ofcourse it's not like a major purpose but it is something! So I do think it is theoretically possible.

[Chaos Mage]

i have to wonder if part of our body or mind HAS to partially die in order for people to astral project

[Xanth]

Do you die each time you fall asleep at night?  Nope. 

[Boom]

I think it depends on the individual. For me, my fear of death stems from simply no long existing. I hate death for that reason. How can someone be around one minute and completely gone the next?  For me its a question of "Does the brain create the consciousness or is the brain a vessel for it?"  Astral Projection could provide the opportunity to prove to yourself that your brain is merely a vessel, as you are in effect projecting your consciousness away from your physical body.  If you come to the conclusion that your consciousness can live outside your physical body, then your fear of death will be reduced because you can be sure that there is more existence to come when that happens.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
And then comes countless verifications from the deceased where the traveller had absolutely no knowledge of the info given.
Travelling around yourself is the only hands on proof you're going to really believe. Go learn this art, your answers are awaiting, soon to become very clear.
Safe travels.

[Barnowl]

In my opinion, most certainly.

It took me a few times, though (because a part of you still thinks it was a funny dream or something...)

But after the 5th one, your cynism starts to go, as you finally have to say to yourself that there is no such thing as death...and the fear reduces... (energy cannot be created nor destroyed, and you are energy)

Of course, the more you AP, the more you appreciate and respect life, and show more compassion for people.

I feel so lucky to be able to AP on a (fairly) regular basis (had 2 this morning, but they wern't long...)

Just my thoughts...
 

[Stookie_]

Solving the mystery of death is just the beginning... then you run into even deeper mysteries. It's like an episode of Lost.

[Barnowl]

It's like an episode of Lost.

 

True

[todd421757]

But after the 5th one, your cynism starts to go, as you finally have to say to yourself that there is no such thing as death...and the fear reduces... (energy cannot be created nor destroyed, and you are energy)

This is a very good point.

[Chaos Mage]

If you want to look at it this way, that, in the assumed 'beginning of God', the Great Spirit formed itself by 'absolute potential manifests absolute potential'.  That Spirit would be the form of God, both 0 and infinite space, transcendent of all frequencies thereafter a detraction from that Spiritual value.  So flesh, form, and our 'existence', is actually a detraction from absolute potential or spiritual reality.  Perhaps the only way to truly die is to have no heart or belief concerning the spiritual reality.

It's like our existence, at the quantum level, is all just vibrations of potential.  Kinetics right?  There are densities of 'particles', but those particles themselves are only detractions from the Spirit, or, Baseline.  A lot of people get upset when they get told that "There is a God", I don't know why that is.  Seems to me that God gave us a Soul, and that Soul is the arrangement of potentials for a spiritual reality.  And another thing, bound to be glorious for those in aspiration. that, the more flesh that you become, then the more spiritual potential that you have.  Is that right?

It's kind of confusing at first, at least to me.  I know, I've been dead before, I watched them dump my body over the boat, I watched them bury it up north, and other times.  How I came back so many times, well, I can only say it was The Master Therion and Jehovah God working together, that's as far as I've got it figured out.  When your 'body' dies, your soul returns to it's source, which, is the Spirit.  It's nice to have a body, but the flesh is frail, almost feeble, it breaks, cuts, and scrapes easily.  I guess it's just part of becoming a flesh, going away from Spirit World, that we can aspire back towards it.  That, in my view, is a form of conscious momentum.  Perhaps Death and Life are just different states of being, that, if God's Spirit is the Absolute Potential, then death is actually a way for us to return to Spirit, and reorganize and gain better vantage for our experience of a construct like reality.