Do you think governments have looked into preventing astral travel espionage?

[Alex-Anderson]

I have often wondered if during an astral projection if anyone has ever tried to visit places such as the Pentagon, Area 51, or other top government/military installations, maybe even investigate the truth to theories such as deep military underground bases like the most talked about Dolce, New Mexico?

If this were the case do you think counter measures may exist to prevent people from viewing/travelling to such places?

Has anyone tried to visit such a place?

[Tiny]

Dear Alex-Anderson,

yes my research into this has shown evidence that there are countermeasures to such places, on the physical aswell as psychic level. There's a website (genuine or not) of someone who describes the interior of hundreds of alien (the Greys') bases on Earth, Moon and Mars. It's an http://www.abduct-anon.com/alien_bases_on_earth.htm interesting read atleast. And he mentiones that one who approaches these sites must first bypass the psychic shields.

I was training remote viewing one night (blind targets) and my target turned out to be a mountain and during this my link to the target was suddenly completly severed for some reason. Then I saw various suprised ETs.

So I would advice any viewer to be cautious when telepathically scanning in mountain areas because they often contain ET bases or advanced deep underground military bases and the military have psychic squadrons aswell.

According to some sources the real facilities use some kind of advanced holographic projectors to scare away hikers coming too close to those sites with convincing imagery of monsters and such.


kind regards,

Paul

[Alex-Anderson]

I will have a read to the attached link, may shed some more answers or thoughts on the subject.

However if counter measures do/were to exist but one was to still able to view facilities do you think there could be any repercussions - such as a counter measure to know who you were, by somehow energetically/psychically tagging you?

Should one be concerned if they try and view such places?

[Tiny]

Should one be concerned if they try and view such places?

Definatly not if one would like to meet the G-man.


But in truth I could only speculate what may happen.

I've actually telepathically intruded the interior of UFOs with a friend. Last night I was about to project my etheric body and the first thing i noticed was the presence of grey ETs trying to scare me (they caught me off guard) so i aborted.


kind regards,

Paul

[NoY]

I was taken to the white house during a projection
and george bush was there and he was jumping on all these symbols to shield himself
and he was very friendly and told me all about it and how he does it every morning

:NoY:

[personalreality]

That's a really interesting question that i never really considered before.

kudos poster.

I'm gonna look into it when i start projecting again.

[CFTraveler]

I once projected into what could be considered an underground bunker (or it's what it looked like, I didn't do it on purpose) and it seemed to have many protections in place.  I don't think you would be hurt trying, but you wouldn't see anything of any importance.

[Alex-Anderson]

I have never tried to project to any 'known' places classed as government military or top secret installations. I have a fear that perhaps there would be some counter measure - i.e. I would be seen or presence known. I’m more referring to maybe accidently somehow travelling to a room/place that you shouldn’t be in - as opposed to maybe floating around the car park or canteen of an installation  .

The general problem with most projections for me is trying to ascertain what is genuine or what could be fantasy driven. So for instance if I have slight fear of places where I shouldn’t travel too then I’m sure that fear will play some part in what I may encounter - I’m not sure if Remote Viewing is different.

So when I was initially Googling about this I wondered if anyone had accidently viewed something they shouldn’t have and if there any repercussions.  In my search I came across several pages about the supposed Dulce New Mexico Deep Underground Military Base.

Below is an excerpt from a section that talked about Astral Projection at Dulce. I know this is very speculative and sometimes I wonder how stories such as Dulce would start in the first place, but do you think an astral body could be contained or influenced in anyway by the suggestions below – it seems ridiculous?

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The following is a list of questions that were directed to former Dulce Base Security officer Thomas Edwin Castello approximately a year before his death [or disappearance]. They are followed by his responses:

“QUESTION -- In "the Dulce Papers," copper seems to be high on the list of important imports. In what processes is copper used?

ANSWER -- One of the main uses of copper at Dulce is containment of the magnetic flow; magnets are used everywhere at that base. The infamous vats' interiors are lined with copper, and the exterior walls are clad with stainless steel. The mechanical arm that stirs the liquid is made of a copper alloy. Other uses include dietary needs in a few of the transbiotic beings. There are several specially-made cells or rooms built first with lead, then magnetic steel then clad in copper. It is in those cells on the Fourth Level that contain living aural essence. This essence is what you would call [a captured disembodied] 'soul' or "astral body".

(Note: This may tie-in with reports of certain remote-viewing "astral spies" who claim to have "projected" into underground facilities like Dulce and Pine Gap Australia--only to have close encounters with astral containment units, or have been captured by the same and released after being 'interrogated' via super-sensitive electronic equipment. In one case an Australian remote-viewer was probing Pine Gap's facility where he also "saw" three other astral spys. The magnetic or astral body of one of these people had been captured by such a containment field, which really disturbed him. This man, Robert, also saw Greys and Reptiloids operating in the deeper levels of Pine Gap and also Nordic-type Humans who were apparently captives and who did NOT seem to be very happy about being there. - Branton)….”

[G01kur_Kisel]

I Have a very hard time believing that you could actually capture a persons essence of soul. As Robert says which I agree upon is that the astral body is a energy copy and not you soul, the soul still lies within you. If you were somehow to disconnect from your astral body you would simply wake up and feel tired, dizzy as a significant part of energy has been lost. This of course can be replenished over time and is nothing to worry about.

But if we look to the laws of the universe, anything that can be in can be out and vice verse. So it is perhaps possible to create devices to keep energies inside containers, wouldn't surprise me. But I don't think it can last. At some point your body will draw your copy back. But on the other hand perhaps this induces a sort of a coma state of your body, keeping your consciousnesses trapped and your body in coma? However I feel that one should be strong enough in the astral to do whatever one wishes.

Who knows. I'd suggest you go with your guide to these places if anything.

[Tiny]

ANSWER -- One of the main uses of copper at Dulce is containment of the magnetic flow; magnets are used everywhere at that base. The infamous vats' interiors are lined with copper, and the exterior walls are clad with stainless steel. The mechanical arm that stirs the liquid is made of a copper alloy. Other uses include dietary needs in a few of the transbiotic beings. There are several specially-made cells or rooms built first with lead, then magnetic steel then clad in copper. It is in those cells on the Fourth Level that contain living aural essence. This essence is what you would call [a captured disembodied] 'soul' or "astral body".

(Note: This may tie-in with reports of certain remote-viewing "astral spies" who claim to have "projected" into underground facilities like Dulce and Pine Gap Australia--only to have close encounters with astral containment units, or have been captured by the same and released after being 'interrogated' via super-sensitive electronic equipment. In one case an Australian remote-viewer was probing Pine Gap's facility where he also "saw" three other astral spys. The magnetic or astral body of one of these people had been captured by such a containment field, which really disturbed him. This man, Robert, also saw Greys and Reptiloids operating in the deeper levels of Pine Gap and also Nordic-type Humans who were apparently captives and who did NOT seem to be very happy about being there. - Branton)….”

This is absolutely true.

I was planning to mention this but something kept me from it.

Most people probably wouldn't believei t but the astral body can be contained by special magnetic fields and many sources confirm that aliens have devices that can indeed trap and imprison astral bodies. The astral bodies are subject to electromagnetism from physical sources and R. Monroe and others have documented this.

Now, what happens when the astral body can not rejoin with the physical body is that the physical body is left without driver and consequently falls into a state of coma.

So one will want to stay away from deep underground military bases and extraterrestrial bases for many reasons. Another reason is that is that some of the going-ons down there are so inhumane and horrible that one could easily be traumatized on sight.


kind regards,

Paul

[sublimy99]

It's my understanding that Monroe eventually came to the conclusion
that he never actually left his body, that you just go deeper into
your higher self and higher consciousness and that all resides there.
I have also heard this from other well known travelers, such as
William Buhlman. I think there would be more unexplained comatose
people if this soul/astral body snatching thing were true. I also think it's very irresponsible to claim such things.

The last thing the astral traveling community needs is to start implimenting fear
into people seeking to astral travel. I would hope that as you travel into dangerous
realms, that guides would keep you from traveling into such territory. My advice would
be to seek guides to help you and don't travel where you think you shouldn't go.
This is coming from someone who hasn't exited yet, but still, a little common sense goes
a long way!

[Stookie]

Good Post sublimy99!

[Capt. Picard]

Very interesting thread, I have noticed that while OOB ethereally, I often get stuck in walls or near electrical appliances. I am sure I have heard of this before, that electromagnetism and other fields from the physical can get you stuck in the ethereal. That would make sense if the rooms were lined with copper and steel that it could trap you. I also felt I should mention, that the government's remote viewing program is well documented and lasted about 10 years, which excess of 10 million dollars spent on research, so I wouldnt be surprised at all if they have developed certain guards and blocks to stop astral projectors from viewing theyre facilities. The government itself of course, claims that they proved remote viewing to be fake, but if that were the case, one would think it would cost less than 10mil and 10 years to prove it wrong...

[Alex-Anderson]

The last thing the astral traveling community needs is to start implimenting fear
into people seeking to astral travel. I would hope that as you travel into dangerous
realms, that guides would keep you from traveling into such territory

I would see this differently - but understand it can be viewed as somewhat dark. However posts on here can be upbeat, downbeat, intelligent, creative, and sometimes lacking content. But the great thing about this forum is that I can progressively develop my skills and knowledge by learning from others who have broken it down into bite-sized learnable chunks, then fear diminishes greatly because I have a better understanding on perhaps what to do.

But despite this topic being very speculative, is this really a threatening issue to the projecting community – probably not. However from a technical point of view I'm now very curious if it is possible that an astral body could be contained as I never heard of such a thing. But if this were the case then surely its something that would require investigation.

Maybe what we need is something like "Trip Avdisor" for the Astral planes.

[Xanth]

Very interesting thread, I have noticed that while OOB ethereally, I often get stuck in walls or near electrical appliances. I am sure I have heard of this before, that electromagnetism and other fields from the physical can get you stuck in the ethereal. That would make sense if the rooms were lined with copper and steel that it could trap you. I also felt I should mention, that the government's remote viewing program is well documented and lasted about 10 years, which excess of 10 million dollars spent on research, so I wouldnt be surprised at all if they have developed certain guards and blocks to stop astral projectors from viewing theyre facilities. The government itself of course, claims that they proved remote viewing to be fake, but if that were the case, one would think it would cost less than 10mil and 10 years to prove it wrong...

One has to wonder if you get stuck because that's just the way it is... or if it's because of what we THINK we know about electricity?

The distinction there is one of expectation vs no expectation.

~Ryan