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« on: May 06, 2010, 10:47:41 »

I have often wondered if during an astral projection if anyone has ever tried to visit places such as the Pentagon, Area 51, or other top government/military installations, maybe even investigate the truth to theories such as deep military underground bases like the most talked about Dolce, New Mexico?

If this were the case do you think counter measures may exist to prevent people from viewing/travelling to such places?

Has anyone tried to visit such a place?
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 11:07:13 »

Dear Alex-Anderson,

yes my research into this has shown evidence that there are countermeasures to such places, on the physical aswell as psychic level. There's a website (genuine or not) of someone who describes the interior of hundreds of alien (the Greys') bases on Earth, Moon and Mars. It's an http://www.abduct-anon.com/alien_bases_on_earth.htm interesting read atleast. And he mentiones that one who approaches these sites must first bypass the psychic shields.

I was training remote viewing one night (blind targets) and my target turned out to be a mountain and during this my link to the target was suddenly completly severed for some reason. Then I saw various suprised ETs.

So I would advice any viewer to be cautious when telepathically scanning in mountain areas because they often contain ET bases or advanced deep underground military bases and the military have psychic squadrons aswell.

According to some sources the real facilities use some kind of advanced holographic projectors to scare away hikers coming too close to those sites with convincing imagery of monsters and such.


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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 11:07:13 »

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 11:51:16 »

I will have a read to the attached link, may shed some more answers or thoughts on the subject.

However if counter measures do/were to exist but one was to still able to view facilities do you think there could be any repercussions - such as a counter measure to know who you were, by somehow energetically/psychically tagging you?

Should one be concerned if they try and view such places?
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 12:09:35 »

Should one be concerned if they try and view such places?

Definatly not if one would like to meet the G-man.


But in truth I could only speculate what may happen.

I've actually telepathically intruded the interior of UFOs with a friend. Last night I was about to project my etheric body and the first thing i noticed was the presence of grey ETs trying to scare me (they caught me off guard) so i aborted.


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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 13:38:08 »

I was taken to the white house during a projection
and george bush was there and he was jumping on all these symbols to shield himself
and he was very friendly and told me all about it and how he does it every morning

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 15:23:55 »

That's a really interesting question that i never really considered before.

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I'm gonna look into it when i start projecting again.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 15:43:25 »

I once projected into what could be considered an underground bunker (or it's what it looked like, I didn't do it on purpose) and it seemed to have many protections in place.  I don't think you would be hurt trying, but you wouldn't see anything of any importance.
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 18:05:12 »

I have never tried to project to any 'known' places classed as government military or top secret installations. I have a fear that perhaps there would be some counter measure - i.e. I would be seen or presence known. I’m more referring to maybe accidently somehow travelling to a room/place that you shouldn’t be in - as opposed to maybe floating around the car park or canteen of an installation  wink.

The general problem with most projections for me is trying to ascertain what is genuine or what could be fantasy driven. So for instance if I have slight fear of places where I shouldn’t travel too then I’m sure that fear will play some part in what I may encounter - I’m not sure if Remote Viewing is different.

So when I was initially Googling about this I wondered if anyone had accidently viewed something they shouldn’t have and if there any repercussions.  In my search I came across several pages about the supposed Dulce New Mexico Deep Underground Military Base.

Below is an excerpt from a section that talked about Astral Projection at Dulce. I know this is very speculative and sometimes I wonder how stories such as Dulce would start in the first place, but do you think an astral body could be contained or influenced in anyway by the suggestions below – it seems ridiculous?

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The following is a list of questions that were directed to former Dulce Base Security officer Thomas Edwin Castello approximately a year before his death [or disappearance]. They are followed by his responses:

QUESTION -- In "the Dulce Papers," copper seems to be high on the list of important imports. In what processes is copper used?

ANSWER -- One of the main uses of copper at Dulce is containment of the magnetic flow; magnets are used everywhere at that base. The infamous vats' interiors are lined with copper, and the exterior walls are clad with stainless steel. The mechanical arm that stirs the liquid is made of a copper alloy. Other uses include dietary needs in a few of the transbiotic beings. There are several specially-made cells or rooms built first with lead, then magnetic steel then clad in copper. It is in those cells on the Fourth Level that contain living aural essence. This essence is what you would call [a captured disembodied] 'soul' or "astral body".

(Note: This may tie-in with reports of certain remote-viewing "astral spies" who claim to have "projected" into underground facilities like Dulce and Pine Gap Australia--only to have close encounters with astral containment units, or have been captured by the same and released after being 'interrogated' via super-sensitive electronic equipment. In one case an Australian remote-viewer was probing Pine Gap's facility where he also "saw" three other astral spys. The magnetic or astral body of one of these people had been captured by such a containment field, which really disturbed him. This man, Robert, also saw Greys and Reptiloids operating in the deeper levels of Pine Gap and also Nordic-type Humans who were apparently captives and who did NOT seem to be very happy about being there. - Branton)….”
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 18:14:59 »

I Have a very hard time believing that you could actually capture a persons essence of soul. As Robert says which I agree upon is that the astral body is a energy copy and not you soul, the soul still lies within you. If you were somehow to disconnect from your astral body you would simply wake up and feel tired, dizzy as a significant part of energy has been lost. This of course can be replenished over time and is nothing to worry about.

But if we look to the laws of the universe, anything that can be in can be out and vice verse. So it is perhaps possible to create devices to keep energies inside containers, wouldn't surprise me. But I don't think it can last. At some point your body will draw your copy back. But on the other hand perhaps this induces a sort of a coma state of your body, keeping your consciousnesses trapped and your body in coma? However I feel that one should be strong enough in the astral to do whatever one wishes.

Who knows. I'd suggest you go with your guide to these places if anything.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2010, 18:31:07 »


ANSWER -- One of the main uses of copper at Dulce is containment of the magnetic flow; magnets are used everywhere at that base. The infamous vats' interiors are lined with copper, and the exterior walls are clad with stainless steel. The mechanical arm that stirs the liquid is made of a copper alloy. Other uses include dietary needs in a few of the transbiotic beings. There are several specially-made cells or rooms built first with lead, then magnetic steel then clad in copper. It is in those cells on the Fourth Level that contain living aural essence. This essence is what you would call [a captured disembodied] 'soul' or "astral body".

(Note: This may tie-in with reports of certain remote-viewing "astral spies" who claim to have "projected" into underground facilities like Dulce and Pine Gap Australia--only to have close encounters with astral containment units, or have been captured by the same and released after being 'interrogated' via super-sensitive electronic equipment. In one case an Australian remote-viewer was probing Pine Gap's facility where he also "saw" three other astral spys. The magnetic or astral body of one of these people had been captured by such a containment field, which really disturbed him. This man, Robert, also saw Greys and Reptiloids operating in the deeper levels of Pine Gap and also Nordic-type Humans who were apparently captives and who did NOT seem to be very happy about being there. - Branton)….”

This is absolutely true.

I was planning to mention this but something kept me from it.

Most people probably wouldn't believei t but the astral body can be contained by special magnetic fields and many sources confirm that aliens have devices that can indeed trap and imprison astral bodies. The astral bodies are subject to electromagnetism from physical sources and R. Monroe and others have documented this.

Now, what happens when the astral body can not rejoin with the physical body is that the physical body is left without driver and consequently falls into a state of coma.

So one will want to stay away from deep underground military bases and extraterrestrial bases for many reasons. Another reason is that is that some of the going-ons down there are so inhumane and horrible that one could easily be traumatized on sight.


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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2010, 18:58:38 »

It's my understanding that Monroe eventually came to the conclusion
that he never actually left his body, that you just go deeper into
your higher self and higher consciousness and that all resides there.
I have also heard this from other well known travelers, such as
William Buhlman. I think there would be more unexplained comatose
people if this soul/astral body snatching thing were true. I also think it's very irresponsible to claim such things.

The last thing the astral traveling community needs is to start implimenting fear
into people seeking to astral travel. I would hope that as you travel into dangerous
realms, that guides would keep you from traveling into such territory. My advice would
be to seek guides to help you and don't travel where you think you shouldn't go.
This is coming from someone who hasn't exited yet, but still, a little common sense goes
a long way!
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2010, 19:25:42 »

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2010, 20:32:46 »

Very interesting thread, I have noticed that while OOB ethereally, I often get stuck in walls or near electrical appliances. I am sure I have heard of this before, that electromagnetism and other fields from the physical can get you stuck in the ethereal. That would make sense if the rooms were lined with copper and steel that it could trap you. I also felt I should mention, that the government's remote viewing program is well documented and lasted about 10 years, which excess of 10 million dollars spent on research, so I wouldnt be surprised at all if they have developed certain guards and blocks to stop astral projectors from viewing theyre facilities. The government itself of course, claims that they proved remote viewing to be fake, but if that were the case, one would think it would cost less than 10mil and 10 years to prove it wrong...
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2010, 21:08:31 »

The last thing the astral traveling community needs is to start implimenting fear
into people seeking to astral travel. I would hope that as you travel into dangerous
realms, that guides would keep you from traveling into such territory

I would see this differently - but understand it can be viewed as somewhat dark. However posts on here can be upbeat, downbeat, intelligent, creative, and sometimes lacking content. But the great thing about this forum is that I can progressively develop my skills and knowledge by learning from others who have broken it down into bite-sized learnable chunks, then fear diminishes greatly because I have a better understanding on perhaps what to do.

But despite this topic being very speculative, is this really a threatening issue to the projecting community – probably not. However from a technical point of view I'm now very curious if it is possible that an astral body could be contained as I never heard of such a thing. But if this were the case then surely its something that would require investigation.

Maybe what we need is something like "Trip Avdisor" for the Astral planes.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2010, 21:25:39 »

Very interesting thread, I have noticed that while OOB ethereally, I often get stuck in walls or near electrical appliances. I am sure I have heard of this before, that electromagnetism and other fields from the physical can get you stuck in the ethereal. That would make sense if the rooms were lined with copper and steel that it could trap you. I also felt I should mention, that the government's remote viewing program is well documented and lasted about 10 years, which excess of 10 million dollars spent on research, so I wouldnt be surprised at all if they have developed certain guards and blocks to stop astral projectors from viewing theyre facilities. The government itself of course, claims that they proved remote viewing to be fake, but if that were the case, one would think it would cost less than 10mil and 10 years to prove it wrong...
One has to wonder if you get stuck because that's just the way it is... or if it's because of what we THINK we know about electricity?

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2010, 22:24:40 »

I am being honest that I noticed this with no expectations. I used to have trouble going through windows, but then I realized it was all about my expectations. However with walls and electrical appliances, I swear I had no prior expectations, in fact its more of a theory I read probably on this forum several years ago. I then noticed that prior projections I had been getting stuck in walls and power lines and some other electrical appliances like my alarm clock and TV. Could be coincidence I just find it interesting that this theory gets brought up again. I think when I read it someone may have specifically mentioned copper wiring as the source of the problem also.

Anyways, how I understood ethereal projection, was that once the ethereal energy "runs out", the astral body simply phases into the astral. If the government had containment rooms for astral bodies, wouldn't they need some way to maintain the person's ethereal body, otherwise they would simply vanish into the nonphysical wouldn't they?
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It's my understanding that Monroe eventually came to the conclusion
that he never actually left his body, that you just go deeper into
your higher self and higher consciousness and that all resides there.
Yes, but he also had verifiable information that was obtained extra-locally.  So when you get into what consciousness is, and what reality is, things as 'the difference between a focus of consciousness and a local travel' becomes insignificant- because consciousness is everywhere, and if you can know what someone else's room looks like when you project, you are still obtain information that is located elsewhere.  So I think when people start arguing about whether you 'leave' your body or 'focus' your attention, they are completely missing the point, it's just one more way of getting into some sort of 'I'm right or you're right' contest.
The truth is that no one knows which is right- do you traverse time and space in some sort of corporeal construct, do you focus on consciousness that is not local at all, yet tap on information that is?  Is consciousness just another way of saying 'reality', and by focusing inward you somehow are in the other place?  It all depends on how you categorize the world.  There are engineers and there are philosophers.... and they will see it differently.
-But that doesn't mean one is 'wrong' and the other one is 'right'- that's just an ego pi$$ing contest.  My "Guru can beat up your Guru".

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William Buhlman. I think there would be more unexplained comatose
people if this soul/astral body snatching thing were true. I also think it's very irresponsible to claim such things.
Claim what?  'Leaving the body' does not mean 'Leaving the body empty'.  It just means that your perceptual senses are no longer in the body and are perceiving something else.
And no, I don't believe this, but I am making the point that just because I don't believe it it somehow makes it 'wrong'.

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The last thing the astral traveling community needs is to start implimenting fear
into people seeking to astral travel. I would hope that as you travel into dangerous
realms, that guides would keep you from traveling into such territory. My advice would
be to seek guides to help you and don't travel where you think you shouldn't go.
This is coming from someone who hasn't exited yet, but still, a little common sense goes
a long way!
But if you do some research you will see that there are a few unstable people that do wander off into territory that isn't exactly 'wonderful', and are deeply affected by it.  Guides protect you from damage, but don't stop you from learning lessons, and one of the most important lessons to learn is- let go of your fear.  And your fear will teach you to let it go-sometimes the hard way.  Do you know how many times I read posts from people complaining that they were not warned of what they could experience?

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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2010, 08:39:01 »

Very well expressed response - CFTraveller!

I agree with you completely and also believe there is a common ground amongst all these experiences but we lack an agreed methodology or language to express and communicate what is experienced and how the rest of the community can then identify and understand the experience.

At the minute the communication and perception of people’s experiences is a free for all, some have gained a wealth of knowledge by reading books, having experiences or sharing with like minded people, others may have simply just stumbled onto the experience and learned through their own mistakes, and then the rest may sit somewhere in the middle.

Either way it’s all very subjective. But as long as we are discussing and analysing these experiences from the eyes and ears of our physical bodies then the more we need a methodology to ensure what is communicated or expressed can be understood in a way to ensure knowledge is shared and acquired and not lost in translation.

Funny the whole situation reminds me of when I did my arts degree and now working as a project manager for the last decade. Both environments were/are always left to interpretation and assumptions. However quality and information sharing can/is improved through education, better knowhow and adopting a common objective to what and how is being expressed. Especially in the field of project management where so much money and time and effort is wasted by people gathering around the table and not sharing a common knowledge on processes, objectives and requirements – hence there are global project management accredited qualifications to ensure quality within the business environment, and especially relationship between customer and supplier.

So in this field of experiences your right there will always be the “My Guru can beat up your Guru” but again that is just because there is no official adopted language or process on how these experiences can be expressed or understood. Imagine if this subject was to be officially taught as an accredited qualification within schooling, or field of work. This being the case something would have to be adopted to govern and measure what is or how it’s achieved. Of course it would then start entering an infringement on maybe how we view and experience our subconscious reality but as long as we try and use language to communicate these experiences the more we will just go in circles without ever understanding each other.

Reference to ‘Experiences’ is of course OBE’s/AP’s etc  
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2010, 14:38:50 »

I would see this differently - but understand it can be viewed as somewhat dark. However posts on here can be upbeat, downbeat, intelligent, creative, and sometimes lacking content. But the great thing about this forum is that I can progressively develop my skills and knowledge by learning from others who have broken it down into bite-sized learnable chunks, then fear diminishes greatly because I have a better understanding on perhaps what to do.

But despite this topic being very speculative, is this really a threatening issue to the projecting community – probably not. However from a technical point of view I'm now very curious if it is possible that an astral body could be contained as I never heard of such a thing. But if this were the case then surely its something that would require investigation.

Maybe what we need is something like "Trip Avdisor" for the Astral planes.

Alex-Anderson,

I think it has to be understood that the astral body is just another sheet of the coverings over the spirit that can be dropped. It has been mentioned here if im not mistaken that the astral body can simply be dissolved on purpose. The theosophical society belief that the advanced spiritual being at some point drops its' astral body and continues in the mental body.
And In fact the mental body is where the true unrestricted(atleast in comparison to the astral body) freedom lies.

I don't exactly understand how the mental body in it's refined nature (the one that goes in remote viewing afaik) could be imprisoned in any way but it could be blocked off completly and i have experienced that.

Projecting astrally to alien or military bases is a whole different story and I strongly advise anybody not to do this!
These "astral containment units" exist I am very sure about this.


Here's an interesting remote viewing report on Dulce

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread354519/pg1

If anyone would want to remote view UFOs, alien bases, military bases and the like and I know the temptation is huge, I would recommend looking for protection measures such as: remote viewing them slightly in the past or doing it with the intention of being completly invisible.


kind regards,

Paul
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2010, 18:06:20 »

"My guru can beat up your guru ?" What kind of guru engages in violence to solve their problems.
I have read many different articles and books on this subject and I tend to gravitate towards
William Buhlman, he has been doing this for over 30 years and he seems very grounded in his
approach to OOBE's. I'm not really sure of his fighting skills, but I do like the way he explains
his theories of AP. Is he the definitive "go to guy" on Astral projection ? He is to me.
Do I think everything he says in 100% true? No. When I experience this for myself I'll have a
better grasp of what it's all about. Do I think there are underground alien bases? Maybe, but
who knows. I'm certainly not going to go by some guy on "Above top secret" website as my proof.

I'm going to consider astral containment and underground alien bases with a grain of salt.
I'd like to approach this with a spiritual guide, if possible. I don't think it's a good idea to
go about exploring AP, on my own, if I can help it. If and when I become comfortable
with projecting, I would like to use it to help people, such as finding missing people and

things of that nature, if that is possible.It may sound sappy, but I don't want to just float around my room looking at myself either.
I don't feel the need to explore area 51. I would like to go to the moon. One thing I don't want, the fear of some being entraping my astral body/soul. If I've learned anything, it's that state of mind is very important. So while I'll refrain from saying my guru's better than yours, I'd like to stay with the concept of being safe in the astral plane and not give into fear of astral containment!!
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2010, 21:48:18 »

"My guru can beat up your guru ?" What kind of guru engages in violence to solve their problems.

I think you missed my point, sublimy.  But don't worry, I'm glad you did.  That means you're above this kind of thinking.
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2010, 00:20:42 »

CFTraveler, no I did get the point. You didn't think getting into an argument over
who has the "better" Obe teacher/guru, was nessasary, especially with a subject
that is as unsubstantiated, at least in  scientific terms. I was just pointing out
the fact that a reference to "beating up" didn't sit with the subject matter, but yeah,
I know what you are saying.

Like I've said quite a few times in here, I have an entity attached to me and it might
be holding me back. What I'm saying is, the thought of what I might face, might be holding
me back. So adding the idea of "astral containment" isn't going to help me get out.
The house where this attachment started is in another town, but something followed me.
The things that happened in that house was very evil, whatever followed me here has not
acted all that evil, except messing with my dreams. One time (while here) I woke up, at least
I thought I did and when I laid my head down I started falling and landed in a room surrounded
by shadowmen. (I saw the shadowman up close and conscious in that house)
 I don't know if I was lucid, or out of body or what, but I remained calm.
Still, I have a little apprehension exiting, so the thought of astral containment will only add to that.
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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2010, 01:00:03 »

Well, I'd recommend you read anything written by Kurt Leland about nonphysical reality- he explains in very utilitarian terms the possible significance of the types of experiences you describe, and it kind of takes the 'spookiness' out of the experience.  I'd give you a link to his book, but ATM it is very hard to find.
ps.  When I talk about 'containment', or what I described as 'protections' were not physical in nature- more like a psychological defense type of method.  Like how you make an unconscious barrier around your personal space only with the concept that it's 'your' space, and more than likely any being you encounter in that space is some sort of self-aspect- only in the case of something like this, it's something deliberately 'projected' unto the space- for the purposes of shielding.
That's what I was speculating about, based on my experiences, and nothing more.


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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2010, 08:11:37 »

The shadowmen... I have seen them twice up close, one time I fought it. Both times as soon as I got close/attacked the projection ended. I am more on the side of them being a part of my subcouncious. Does anyone have any differing opinions on the shadowmen?
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2010, 14:20:44 »

Do you think governments have looked into preventing astral travel espionage?
I dont know but they did pour millions of $$$$ into Remote Viewing projects, some I'm pretty sure they know about AP also.
And if they know about it surely they must be taking preventative steps to counter foreign and domestic espionage
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