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« on: November 13, 2013, 00:01:03 »

Something I thought I would share:

Lessons come in many forms and usually not in the way we expect. Or when. Every now and then it is nice to get a solid, substantial feedback on our efforts, just some kind of encouragement, some indicator that we're making a little progress. My current dry spell had been going on way too long.

Finally something must have broken loose.

It didn't fit into any of my previous experiences; it most certainly was not a dream so I finally just called it an Experience.

But I realize now that it was a Lesson...and a Contact...with Someone.

Comments are welcome.

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March 2011

It was just a normal night sleeping, not trying to AP or having any expectations. About 2 or 3am I became lucid towards the end of a random dream and after the dream ended my consciousness just floated and drifted in the 3D Void. I recognized where I was and that I could move to the deeper end of the Void and possibly attempt an exit. I also could have woken up with a simple thought, I was that close to the surface; but I was content to just float in what felt like the shallow end of the 3D Blackness pool. Face down in the inky Blackness, very calm, very quiet, comfortable, no effort, no Intent. And maybe somewhat receptive, as it turned out.

(Monroe wrote about communication in the NPR, that oftentimes it's done with NVC-Non Verbal Communication and also thought-packets he called Rotes. I've had varying degrees of success with telepathy in the NPR but never clearly experienced what I thought he meant by NVC or a Rote.)

Just floating there, for probably 15 minutes or so, no thought, no mental chatter. The NVC was so subtle the first time, I easily could have missed it. It was like the most gentle, softest hint of a whisper. Like the soft ding! of an email alert. And it either opened by itself or I somehow knew instinctively how to 'click' on it. It had a voice or I gave it a voice.

---Would you like an Experience?---

Uhh, sure I thought, and I wrapped the response with a little bit of Intent and pushed it outward mentally.

A face appeared before me, maybe two feet away. It was alien, shaped like a horse head but without the ears and staring right back at me, alive and breathing. It seemed a hybrid of both mammal and insect: flaring, pulsing nostrils at the bottom and dark, mantis-like eyes at the top. We regarded each other silently for perhaps a minute. Then, the face faded and another, similar face appeared. Something was happening with this creature however; it was as if a large object was pushing and crunching its way down the left nasal cavity. The creature looked as if it was becoming increasingly distressed and uncomfortable. I had kept my calm up to this point but the image of alien Greys implanting and extracting probes came to my mind and a few seconds later I thought Okay, I've had about enough of this.

And I closed off my awareness.

A short time later, I reopened my awareness and I was once again floating peacefully in the 3D Void/Blackness. I thought about what I had just witnessed and what, if any message I should take from it. Should I have watched to the end? Was I supposed to feel empathy for the creature? Was it a Fear test? Was it a test of my tolerance level and/or to teach me how to close my awareness if I should need to? I could have maintained my emotional composure for a good bit longer, but not having a clear reason to, or understanding a deeper context for the experience, my patience had run out. Should I have offered it a handkerchief? Or let it sneeze a giant alien booger all over me?

I let the thoughts go and continued to enjoy drifting silently. Maybe five minutes passed. Maybe as much as an hour. Another NVC came through, this time even clearer. It had a quality to it, of warmth, intelligence and purpose.

---Would you like another Experience?---

Okay, sure.

Instantly, a landscape opened before me: It was a small town, with simple one, two and three-story buildings, very plain and unremarkable. In fact, I don't remember seeing many, if any windows. Everything was in simple, muted earth-tones: black, brown, gray, drab-green. There were no traffic lights or power lines, almost nothing of what you would expect in a small town: signs, advertisments, benches, trashcans, clutter, etc. No vehicles of any kind. The scene reminded me of something like small-town USA back in the 1850's or the simpler community lifestyles chosen by groups such as those I've seen like the modern day Mennonites of South America. There were people moving up and down the streets but the overall scene was so simply constructed and devoid of other signs of life, activity and general commerce that one might expect, that I had a suspicion that this might be a mental creation of my own. The scene just was not entirely believable to me.

From a distance the people looked like humans. Again the NVC.

---This is a life-form similar to your own, but with a significant difference---

As I focused in more closely on the people, I could see that there was a marked physical difference: On everyone's forehead there was another layer of flesh, maybe an inch, inch and a half thick, wrapping around from temple to temple, and from the eyebrows up to the hairline. It seemed to be outside the cranium. I wondered if it was a separate organ and if so, for what?

---This allows them to experience Time in a way that your kind cannot perceive---

That's interesting, I thought. Apart from that and the apparent lack of detail to the town, this could be from almost anywhere on Earth.

---Would you like to experience life as they do?---

Sure, I guess that might be...

And before that thought could finish, I was whisked across the distance in an instant and 'downloaded' into the nearest guy's head! I had the briefest thought of Oh crap! I hope I didn't just commit myself to a lifetime here!

It was amazing! I was actually in some guy's head, piggy-backing his consciousness! I don't think he knew I was there.

It was like I was sitting with him in the cockpit of a spacecraft with multiple touchscreen monitors surrounding us and all I had to do was reach out and touch on a file to open it. Thousands of files and documents were right there: his memories, beliefs, concerns, thoughts about their world, their society, their Community, the Law. I touched on what seemed a hundred files in rapid succession. I was engulfed and overwhelmed with information. It was too much to take in all at once and as quickly as I thought I was understanding part of one concept, my attention was caught by another, dropping the first and moving on to another, dropping that one, moving to another, and on and on.

As I thought about it afterwards, a couple things were noticeably absent. I got no percept on his family life or children, in general. I got nothing on Love or Emotion, in general. I had the feeling that emotions are tightly controlled, maybe consciously sublimated here. Maybe my idea of Emotion simply did not exist here, had not yet evolved. Possibly I was prevented access to his private or family thoughts to protect his privacy.

Now that I think back on it, in all the headlong rush of information, I definitely did not see any children and I'm not sure I saw any women. Maybe they're some kind of androgenous species. I never got a percept that explained it.

And then I got to their perception of Time. For a few minutes, I 'saw' Time the way they do.

Language fails me somewhat, so I'll just try and convey the highlights of what I experienced; I have no doubt some of it is my mis-interpretation. I didn't get a percept on their civilization as a whole, but their community, their culture, their individual lives are all focused, co-ordinated and prioritized through their understanding and relationship to Time and Causality. I think that like us, they mostly live in a linear, sequential series of Now moments, arriving from some Future set of Potentialities that occur and then retreat into the Past. But, like we have a series of Physical Reality vision-audio-tactile-taste-smell senses, they add one more: a kind of visual sense into Time. They can 'see' Up the Line and Down the Line (to borrow a phrase from Robert Silverberg), as well as the Now. Layered on top of or through this vision, they also see 'lines' of Causality, hundreds of lines of varying probability/potentiality ranging out in all directions, narrowing and merging at certain intersections or nexuses of decision/action/consequence, at Community and Individual levels. The majority of these thin, black lines run parallel, either Up the Line or Down the Line, like bundles of fiber optics, a few lines diverging here or there from the main trunk. Dozens of these lines or filaments, shoot off at varying angles, some merging and others disappearing from sight, widely-divergent Timelines indicating critical decision/action points. They can somehow examine and study these lines or filaments, both individually and in groups, to see where and how actions are likely to alter the Timepath, or to see where past actions have led to a particular nexus. Thus, there is great responsibility and deliberation, careful consideration in minimizing risk to the alteration of the Communities' Timepath. This is a Timepath chosen by everyone in the Community. Everything of possible consequence is considered, outright disruptions cannot be tolerated. The Great Corrections, if ever there were any, are all long in the Past. Of over-riding importance now, is the continuity of the Path. It's like there is a momentum that was started long ago; there's not much to be done now, just tiny adjustments; like keeping a large sailing ship on course, tightening a sail here, loosening a line there, trimming out the ship. Hence the simple, almost monastic lifestyle.

Now the town and the utter simplicity of its construction made sense to me. The lack of signs of what I considered normal daily life were not here for a reason. They wanted it this way. The fewer the distractions, the fewer the possible complications and things that could go wrong. No one questions it, it's just always been this way.

It had become apparent that they were on a pretty substantially different path of development or evolution from those in my world.

I had the thought that I probably could not survive long in his world, nor he in mine. I would go nuts from sheer boredom and he would be driven insane by all the chaos and conflict. Maybe it was because I thought of my world that the Experience ended. I don't think my awareness faltered...

Abruptly, I was ejected from his head, like a little kid receiving a pat on the rump, pointing him in the general direction of Home. With one last NVC.

---Experience ended---
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2013, 23:53:46 »

What did you gain from their experience of time?
The boredom you see is not present to them at all. It's too physical a thought. Think about what you feel they are attempting to achieve in their evolution.
How time is utilised in their environment.
I'll wait for your answer before commenting further.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2013, 20:15:39 »

Wow!  This certainly is an interesting one.  I have absolutely nothing intelligent to add. lol  I just wanted to say thank you for posting this.  So great when people share these kinds of experiences.  We all get so much perspective from them.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2013, 21:03:49 »

I really enjoyed reading that. I wish more people would start sharing more of their experiences.

It's as if we are only discussing the test questions here and no one is talking about the course work anymore.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2013, 23:43:09 »

soarin12 and Astralzombie--

Thanks for the comments and you're very welcome! I enjoy your posts as well. This was a good experience that had enough depth that I thought was worthwhile to share.

Szaxx--

Thanks for the questions; you got me to dig a little deeper on some of these issues--I'd be very interested in your comments.

---------What did you gain from their experience of Time?--------

I think that I gained something on at least a couple of levels: On one I was reminded of the importance and responsibility of my decisions and actions; with greater awareness of the effects and consequences. On another level, I realized that I was being given a great opportunity to get insight and perspective into a peoples' evolution and development that was significantly different from my own. Oh yeah, I also got to 'see' Time in a completely new way, lived it for a couple minutes, felt it. The whole thing was a great adventure!

---------The boredom you see is not present to them at all---------

That was a poor choice of words on my part. I was trying to convey the stark incompatibility that I felt between their world and mine. I didn't sense boredom from them, rather a profound sense of community, an intense one-mindedness and determined purpose.

---------It's too physical a thought---------

Thanks for the hint; I hadn't thought of it quite that way. I was struggling to characterize their mindset. I wouldn't call it a 'spiritual' or 'religious' path; maybe it is more 'mental' or possibly 'causal' in its emphasis. I've read a little of the occult theory of energy body development such as the Mental and Causal Bodies; maybe this has something to do with it, then again maybe not.

---------How is Time utilised in their environment?---------

I'm not sure I have a satisfactory answer for this; I got some details like the Timepath and 'lines' but not the complete overview, the 'why'. I didn't get the sense that they could actually Time-travel or manipulate past or future events, just that they had a keen awareness of patterns and trends emerging from various Timelines. So, in that sense, Time for them is like the weather to the captain of a sailing ship. The weather and wind are largely the central determinants to the actions of his daily life.

---------Think about what you feel they are attempting to achieve in their evolution---------

Looking back at my journal notes this is exactly the question I was considering when the experience ended. I didn't think that I had come up with a complete answer, but maybe I actually had since I was summarily ejected from the event. I thought I had somehow screwed up; maybe that wasn't the case. (CFTraveler wrote an excellent reply on Contenteo's Conceptual Framework of the Astral thread that really helped advance my perspective on an area that I habitually get stuck on involving unexpected transitions/dropouts. She wrote, " You may wake up thinking that you devolved into a dream and be disappointed--yet you actually fulfilled the purpose of the simulation...and the reason for the simulation ceased to exist, so you phased back into your waking awareness.") Does the simulation/lesson/experience end just that quickly, in an instant? I did get a sendoff, but I had no idea whether I had succeeded or failed.
         I was wondering what his personal, developmental goal was? What was the Community goal? Was it a physical place they all were trying to get to? The word 'destination' occurred to me. A different type of destination? A destination in Time? Something else...a kind of mental destination, a destination in the concept of Purpose, a way of thinking...a pure form...perfecting a discipline of thought-action

And at that instant I was ejected from the experience.

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 13:00:26 »

From reading your responses I'll comment on each, they may provide you a different, more non physical way of interpreting the data. You were pulled out at an exact and precise time for a reason; Your immediate thoughts.
Time as they want it to be seems to have a strong purpose behind its existant continuum. As we don't posess this sense organ, can you relate to what it was used for in their early development?
It comes over as initially it was a weapon.
Some large scale event would have occurred to make their incessant conformity to their present environment. It's too rigid and they, as a whole, will not break this bond.
Your perspective on that witnessed is good. I like how you could feel their sense of time.

The boredom, ok on choice. Language is limited. It's your interpretation on having to live there with their 'emptiness' I feel presented in your words.

Too physical,
My view on your thoughts. If you can try to understand their ways rather than comparing it to ours you may recieve more insight from the experience. It will become apparent later. Again language fails here, it's far more appropriate to use the term 'feel'. From this you can almost go unnoticed in some environments. A 'must have' for the darker places.

Time, ever though of adding clairvoyance to the comparison? It appears you may not know this sense too well. It is however obvious, you can arrange things to prevent or increase the odds of a forthcoming event if you have a sense of time in this way. It fits well into their ways and environment. Perhaps the emotional ties that exist with us in the physical manifest with them in an unknown way. It is the most profound experience I know and could easily change everything you are. You have no choice it's that strong. It explains their group mindset on everthing being basic to the point of minimalistic to prevent or accentuate a repeat event or indeed progress. It's hard to explain this in language. It's a telepathic communication of great intensity and our minds are in the kindergarten still.
Evolutionary achievement, yourmind was running at full speed and addressing all eventualities. By sorting out an answer you were using a far larger area of your brain. This is in itself a doubling up of normal physical capabilities. You were ejected with a memory to store. Its important in your development as it displays how the NP can place you outside the known norm and still give credence to your operating within these confinements.
Your contemplations at the end are almost suggesting they are awaiting the next phase in evolution. An expectation of sorts. They are connected to the wider reality data stream through their understanding of time. It's only one connection. Perhaps if they switched off this light they may see more. Thats hard to say but a possibility.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 20:56:35 »

Thank you for that incredible interpretation Szaxx.

It's all resonating highly within me; I'm going to need a day or two to assimilate the information, and then I might have a couple questions.

I think you actually expanded my consciousness with that post. Thank you!

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 23:37:23 »

You're welcome. You do possess the ability to use your mind as the primary sense in the NP. The mind meld or imprint as I labeled it was clearly defined in your words. You went inside the mind of an entity and had access to the total knowledge gained therein. A lifetimes info at your disposal, I use this to program others to know things in an instant. It does work both ways. In a posted retrieval I used the imprinting to give lots of info that may have taken more time than that available if spoken. It can give a headache to those on the revieving end though. It's a common complaint.
Generally you think of a range of information you want and read it from their mind. When familiar they can be programmed to not notice your intrusion while info is gained.
With consent you feel better though.
Some are easy to transfer data with while others are risky. Any devious entity should be avoided. It can end the experience in an unsavory mindset if you underestimate their capabilities. You become them in a fashion and their mindset becomes yours until you realise then unlock the changes.
This works both ways too, an advantage if the odds are against you. That's provided the entity has enough of a mind in the first place. Thoughtforms are quite empty. Lol.
I hope others on site have this ability, there's not much posted on its use.
Remember the feel of being inside and try to recreate this with a simple question in mind. You'll be surprised at the simplicity.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2013, 22:15:05 »

Okay Szaxx,

I read your second reply and that got my energy body charged up and buzzing; later that night I read your third reply and that nearly caused me to blow a gasket. I've now been buzzing for three days!  grin And also an odd headache for the first day and a half.(That wasn't you popping in for a visit was it?)

This has been a fascinating learning experience and I want you to know how much I truly appreciate your input and advice.

I have some further observations and then a couple questions.

They just throw you into the deep end of the swimming pool, don't they? You sink or swim on your own efforts. No explanations, not even a hint of what's to come. It really forces you to Analyze-Improvise-Adapt & Overcome.

It's obvious to me that I need to learn new ways in interpreting my experiences; set aside the old belief systems/worldview and stay open for new possibilities. It's just so easy to make an incorrect first assumption and head way off in the wrong direction!

Like you said- Pay more attention to the 'feel' of the experience or the individual percept. 'Feel' is not an entirely accurate word to describe this quality of sensing but comes about as close as any word can. I know exactly what you're getting at. It's a very, very subtle yet distinct thing. I got lots of 'feel' from this experience but failed to properly notice much of it or recognize it's message. More is coming through, like you said.

So this was several lessons all wrapped into one experience: I was tested on emotional control, closing and opening my awareness, more practice in NVC, event interpretation, and a demonstration in mindmeld/imprint to teach me how to do this on my own.

The NVC comes to me almost like a pdf. file, a complete thing, a set of concepts, a complete knowing. In an instant I have to translate it and give it a voice. Even though it is happening in what seems like an instant, I somehow have time to decide on some of the translation. Most of the concepts being communicated fall readily into place, with appropriate words to describe them. Other concepts take slightly more time because they defy translation initially, so I have to pick between words. For instance, the fourth NVC came through like this---This allows them to experience _____ in a way that your kind cannot _____---. I inserted the words "Time" and "perceive" thinking that these were not 100% accurate, but close enough. Again, a very subtle thing.

Clairvoyance. You are right Szaxx, I don't have much experience with this. And it makes a lot of sense in their context. Maybe my interpretation of "seeing in Time" could be more accurately restated as clairvoyance or maybe a combination of the two.

You were right about the 'emptiness' that I felt. I was trying to remain neutral and non-judgemental about the scene. It's as if their evolution has slowed to a crawl. And yes, expectant.

Many experiences like this, I realize that I am somehow too close or too deeply into the scene to correctly recognize what's going on; I need to take a few steps backward and re-focus. It's like staring at some blob of color right off the tip of your nose, wondering, "What the heck is that?" and stepping back three feet to realize you're in an art gallery.

Szaxx, your comment that their 'sense' came across initially as a weapon made me step back a few feet and consider their situation in a different light. It was staring at me right there all the time. I still don't have the final answer and may not ever have it, but the learning process is no doubt a good thing.
I took it for granted that their situation was normal, but maybe it's not; maybe they're in a predicament.
This one solitary 'town' in a shallow valley, between low barren, desolate hills which reminded me of The Badlands.
No signs of activity in the town other than bare survival. (I didn't actually see anyone doing anything)
A 'feel' of rigid, inflexible, single-minded discipline. Little or no emotion. A 'feel' of emptiness. Bleak.
No other percept on other Communities or the wider civilization.
No women. No children.
I'm thinking it's one of three possibilities:
1-It's a military outpost or a military unit that is stranded in this place.
2-It's an expeditionary encampment, maybe colonists of some sort; maybe stranded.
3-It's a prison colony. There's no need for guards or bars or fences...there's nowhere to escape to.

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Questions

1) Was I pulled out to preserve the memory because I was over-thinking and about to lose control? Should I have slowed down and gone back to 'feeling'?

2) Can you explain a little further?  "...it's far more appropriate to use the term 'feel'. From this you can go almost unnoticed in some environments. A 'must have' for the darker places.

'Cuz there's no doubt I'll stupidly stumble into trouble at some point!  grin

Thanks Szaxx

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 22:09:43 »

1, You've had a hands on experience of what's labelled as Hell. Until you've learned, you stay.
Read your last paragraph in the initial post and try to interpret YOUR understanding of what Hell is all about.
Look at the environment and it's surroundings, the stalemate they are in and what YOU may have taught them by your presence. If only a subconcious suggestion.
It has the feel of a retrieval too.
A learning experience.
The thoughts at the close were important to you in your learning. The questions you had relate to the info being presented and your interpretation, it's working them out and finding the answers from within yourself. Your higher self knows you and these experiences teach you to know yourself better. You become an adept at exactly where to draw the line. This precision of making the RIGHT decision gets you to many places where it's required. You don't have time to dither and change your mind. Thoughts manifest at an amazing speed and once made there's no going back trying to change a mistake. Unlike in the slow physical, you DO affect the environment you're in. This creativity is limitless in some cases. I use the most efficient method available that  is gleaned from that experienced within the visited reality framework.
The timing was precise, many questions existed at that time and many more afterwards. You wouldn't have been bewildered or overwhelmed, but put in a position, where extracting the precise info  based on your knowledge was required. This is new to you and adding the rest of the teachings in the experience would have pushed you near your maximun ability to learn. This leaves next to no time to ponder. It's the red or blue wire and you've 3 seconds to work out which one to cut. Getting it wrong is not an option. I hope you can relate to the fast pace and have an automatic understanding on this the first time you read it.
The pressure wasn't there in this experience, could you stay within the limits if it really mattered when the livelihood of an entity or more relied on your actions?
Food for thought.
2, The "_______" is the feel, it's almost impossible to word. It's a telepathic communication construct and is almost unheard of in the physical unfortunately. A PDF, I like that analogy. (I have this ability in the physical and call it the ' knowing '. That's your word for it too I read. You simply know in an instant and its never incorrect. Your interpretation can be though).
 The fact you recieved this data packet from another shows your mind is developed enough to send the '_____' too. It will take a little practice and you'll be sent to school, or similar to your experience above. Composing the contents of the 'package' is
done from memory, it's similar to writing a paragraph on paper but you form it in your mind and can add anything you know. The more detailed the better, the emotional content has to fit the purpose and be understood by the one or many you send it to.
To create a feel of no threat or passivity is easy. This can be sent to any close by. You get ignored for the most part. If you get questioned though, you have to keep sending it and answer in context with your predicament. The multiple perspective NP treat we experience occasionally needs to be utilised. If you can't multitask in the physical it may require some extra time in experimentation. The use is similar in it's feel. It works in a similar way to telekinetics where you select an object within the experience and mentally move it.
The most common dream experience is falling off a cliff, then realisation kicks in and you '_______' inside your mind and fly away safely.
There's more in this experience but I'll await a reply. Some parts may have started to 'click'. The jigsaw has begun.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2013, 22:49:08 »

I need to remember---

Any time that I visit the NPR, I am likely to be given a problem-solving challenge
and not just a sight-seeing tour.

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He is me.

or an aspect of me.

His predicament is not only his own, but also a metaphor for my personal predicament in PR at the time (an extremely difficult period in my life).

Whatever we experience in NPR is our creation.

The situation was a creation of my thoughts or was an existing scene that I was drawn to in order to show me something; that their inflexible mindset has led them to narrow their set of choices until they have hit this mental 'dead-end'; they have nowhere to go from here.

They need to somehow act outside of their frame of reference. To risk.

But first, one of them (my host) needs to realize that there is something "other" from "outside". Maybe he just senses me subconsciously and that is enough for my Guide to intervene. Maybe that gets his attention.

Possibly I need to communicate, suggest that he take physical action and literally march his people back out the valley in the direction from which they came, (this seems unlikely to me).

Maybe suggest they somehow unwind what they've done to themselves.

With his stubborn mindset, I'm not sure how I would get through. I think I would have to poke, prod and finally yell to get his attention. Maybe the mindmeld makes that easier, with just a simple "Hello! Can we talk for a moment?".

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2013, 00:05:18 »

I am hesitant to jump in here because Szaxx is giving you some excellent insights and you are making some great breakthroughs in how to interpret your experiences better.

But alas, I can't resist. grin

Some of our NPR adventures are just for the fun of it if that's all your looking for but I found that once I took it more serious and wanted to learn more about myself, that's when the real adventure began.

I want to tell you about an experience that I had in which I found myself in the mind of a WW2 soldier.

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Last night I phased right into a ww2 battle. I entered the scene aware that I was in the body of a badly hurt soldier. There was a loud ringing in my/our ears and I was unable to talk or move. A young soldier kept slapping me in a panic and was yelling, "Wake up Lt. We need you." Another soldier told him to forget it and that I was already gone. Sporadic small arms fire was throwing snow up all around us so the two soldiers left me in a frenzy.

Never mind the chaos and horror, what really confused me is that during the projection we (the Lt. and myself) were both aware of each others fear and thoughts. I was upset at the soldiers for leaving us there and the Lt. was trying to calm me down! He must have been an exceptional soldier.

It's as if I was aware of three different realities at once. I knew I was projecting so I was aware that my physical body was safe although that only a momentary thought, I was aware of the Lt.'s thoughts and of course I was aware of my fear related to the events. It's a hard feeling to describe really but one that I'm sure many of you can relate to.

The Lt. managed to calm me down enough and we finally crawled about 100 feet and rolled over into a foxhole. He asked me to leave [his body] and I wanted to but every time I tried, the Lt. would lose his consciousness. I felt that if I left him, he was gonna die. Even though I had no clue as to what I was doing, I desperately wanted to save the Lt.'s life because I felt that the lives of his men depended on this as well.

I perceived that he was verbally speaking to me aloud but I spoke to him telepathically. I guess this could be described as a sort of possession yet I'm not comfortable in saying that's what it was. Like I said it is hard to describe. I also had an overwhelming sense that I was violating him by "possessing" him.

We argued for a while about me leaving and my shame kept me from doing so. He was in extreme pain and his wounds were most definitely fatal. He had already accepted his fate but my ignorance and inconsideration for his own wishes only prolonged his misery.

Finally my guide showed up and pulled me out. He then showed me the aftermath.

The Lt. never crawled into the foxhole and the other two soldiers were killed by the gunfire that I thought scared them off. All the soldiers ended up lying dead next to each other.

I never changed a thing and obviously it wasn't even possible that I could but in those ultra real moments, we don't think like that. I do believe that this was a real event.

---End of experience---

Obviously this wasn't an experience that I would call having just for the "fun" of it so I had to find some lessons in it. Szaxx gave me some valuable insights and helped me to reach some conclusions on my own as well.

So long as we do not abuse the opportunity to experience the thoughts and feelings of someone else (however, I can't honestly say that I did not abuse this opportunity because I did not respect the Lt.'s wishes and leave when he first asked me too) , it can be a very valuable "gift".

If you think about it, it's as if we are being shown a whole new world. The Lt. may have been human and was from Earth but our perspectives of the world are all relative so seeing life through his "eyes" was to see a new world (scary as it was).

I have since had other experiences in which I was able to see through the "eyes" of others and I know now that this particular projection was a baptism by fire.

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I need to remember---

Any time that I visit the NPR, I am likely to be given a problem-solving challenge
and not just a sight-seeing tour.

This is important to remember. We often come away from the experience just feeling blessed to have it in the first place and then forget to think about what lessons we can learn from it. No matter how short or long, beautiful or horrifying-there is always a lesson(s).

They [NPR lessons] are not always obvious and the best ones rarely are but they can change our lives like nothing else can. It's a beautiful thing when you think about it. We have the opportunity to "live" out different lives, be thrown into the most dangerous circumstances and have the same thoughts, fears and reactions that we would have really felt had the experience played out in our waking lives. Not to mention, we can get a "do-over" if we aren't satisfied or failed to realize the lesson.

I hope that I did not derail your thread to badly but I just wanted to share one of my experiences in which I got to see through the eyes of another. smiley



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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2013, 09:11:49 »

AZ we all do our best to learn, sometimes well, others a little off course. It's the interpretation that counts. Getting that wrong can waste decades of learnings.

A question for now EV.
In the physical when we hit a dead end, the only way out is through acceptance of the situation and a definate and unwanted loss.
This loss is the hardest part to come to terms with.
It has to occur or the stalemate putrifies.

For some reason this will mean something to you.

In the NP this same predicament is avoidable. Can you say how this is, from your experience?
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2013, 21:22:43 »

Astralzombie,

No, you didn't derail the thread, but rather added a significant insight which I was missing. Thank you for that.

That was an intense situation you were dropped into.

Mine was nowhere near as intense but the confusion factor was pretty high in retrospect; as well, I received no instructions beforehand on what to expect, what to look for, or what actions were expected of me. If it was also a retrieval, I sure didn't know. Maybe, like yours, mine was a baptism of sorts; drop him in with no instructions and see what he can figure out instinctively.  One thing's for sure, if I'd never posted this experience, I'd never have had the benefit of Szaxx leading me through this analysis; I never would have gotten this deep by myself, nor gained the insights.

The triple perspective- Yeah, I had it once with my energy bodies: I was momentarily caught with my consciousness slamming back and forth between my sleeping physical and either my etheric or astral, and then I realized that I was also observing this process from a third vantage point, my astral or mental maybe? Very interesting effect.

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"It has to occur or the stalemate putrifies.       For some reason this will mean something to you."

Yeah, it does mean something. It's a harsh, ugly word, but it's also sadly accurate. A relationship that went way past its 'expiration date'. My fault in prolonging it, unable to accept the failure and loss. And the shame that I felt (AZ's insight).


"In the NP this same predicament is avoidable. Can you say how this is, from your experience?"

Several points come through to me-

It's avoidable if we keep open all possible channels to the data-stream/guidance/communication.

When that fails, we have to accept failure as a legitimate function of change and growth, and move on.

Moving on may require a complete overhaul in perspective, from whatever materials are currently available.

Also, I get a deeper understanding of the absolute necessity to know and control my thinking and emotions in the NP in order to not distort my perspective, and the sheer speed that this can require.






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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2013, 09:10:16 »

I've answered your comments without reference to your recent experience. An attempt to put them into perspective with the NP in general from my experiences. Comment as necessary, if unclear.

 It's avoidable if we keep open all possible channels to the data-stream/guidance/communication.
At times all the channels are closed. You are imprinted with minimal information and have no knowledge of your physical existance. Your mindset still remains and any analytical prowess gained does too. You have an amazing clarity in your awareness too. The one thing in the NP you don't have is time. How you deal with this counts. Its extremely complex and eventually the 'do it now'  becomes apparent. The 'I wish I did this earlier' isn't an option. It effectively speaks volumes about being lethargic. A concious unit of self is all you are. The info is imprinted and the quest is known (most often). Outside this you really are on your own. A self perpetuating intellectual precision tool in use, so to speak. In computer talk, you operate as an antivirus program.

 When that fails, we have to accept failure as a legitimate function of change and growth, and move on.
Never accept failiure as the end. Your experiences will never progress. You learn from them as you've correctly assessed.

 Moving on may require a complete overhaul in perspective, from whatever materials are currently available.
Your perspective has to change, your analysis of the environment gains a great deal more than materialistic items. Read the minds of the indigenous, is flying accepted? for example. Pulling people through walls really scares the **** out of them. Try to avoid these actions.

 Also, I get a deeper understanding of the absolute necessity to know and control my thinking and emotions in the NP in order to not distort my perspective, and the sheer speed that this can require.
You develop a second personality. It's not applicable in the physical as the physical ruleset dictated by its rigidity doesn't exist in the NP. The fluidity becomes apparent and can be used, with care naturally.
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2013, 19:43:25 »

Mine was nowhere near as intense but the confusion factor was pretty high in retrospect; as well, I received no instructions beforehand on what to expect, what to look for, or what actions were expected of me. If it was also a retrieval, I sure didn't know. Maybe, like yours, mine was a baptism of sorts; drop him in with no instructions and see what he can figure out instinctively.  One thing's for sure, if I'd never posted this experience, I'd never have had the benefit of Szaxx leading me through this analysis; I never would have gotten this deep by myself, nor gained the insights.
My first Retrieval was exactly like this. It just happened and I was aware of the scenario being set up. I saw a soldier lying against a rock, all cut up and bloody and my first "instinct" was to help him. That was my "baptism".

 After while you just "know" what is happening and what your supposed to do. But, I experience many "loops", when I have done something that "someone" has deemed to be wrong. Who is that someone, I don't have the foggiest. Call it "higher self", Guide, or Other. I never have figured out exactly who's rules I am following.  huh

 I have found myself in APs where I was in a regular neighborhood, with people around and for some reason I just jumped/flew up to a rooftop (I had posted this event last year here on the Astral Pulse). It caused quite a stir. The Police were even called and were giving chase. I messed up bad.

 Another time I was told not to divulge some things I had seen and was "banned" from the NPR (at least consciously aware) for a couple of weeks. I didn't think that would be any repercussions and did not feel guilty about it all. But, I was punished. Once again, was it by my "higher self", Guide or Other, I never did find out.

 Just lately I have been going through a string of strange Township events whereas I am aiding entire communities. I can do amazing things there, but only do them if the circumstance calls for it. Usually I first observe the entire scenario to get a better grasp on the entire situation. Then I set out my "game plan". These Township events seem to take place over many of my LDs nightly.

 I completed a major one on Dec 4th and last night I did not become aware of any LDs at all. This is the first time this has happened in over a month now.

 It's nice to have a rest once in awhile!  smiley

 These nightly events also become the focus of my awakened physical time. You are always contemplating what to do next or second guessing the way you handled your last situation.

 I think this is why most people don't remember their Dreams/NPR visits. It would be hard to just turn it off the following day and focus 100% on your daily life. These scenarios/events also have a bearing on my emotional state the following day. I am trying to learn how to control that, but that's a real challenge. You can't just turn off what you just "lived" or experienced.

 
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2016, 13:16:51 »

Thanks for posting this experience. It and the ensuing conversation have given me lots to think about.
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