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« on: January 13, 2006, 22:55:26 »

Hey folks been a while since I posted but I had an awesome experience this morning so I figured I would come and share.  I woke up a few hours before I had to get up so I sat there and thought about rhythm napping and why I hadnt really had any good experiences lately.  I closed my eyes and curled up on my side and continued to think about past dreams and phasings and I blacked out.  

I woke up and everything seemed normal at first.  I looked at the clock and it said 2:30pm and that was the time i wanted to get up.  I tried to move but was mostly paralyzed.  I heard some strange rustling, but the sound seemed to be backwards, like someone had recorded it and then reversed it, very creepy.  My eyes widened at the sound and I saw something moving next to my bed.  I turned my head as much as I could and looked over the edge of the bed.  A pair of my jeans was on the ground and it was shifting slightly and the material was moving and acting almost like water.  I tried to say something but it came out all slowed down and strange sounding.  I thought to myself 'ok... strange false awakening... should be over soon' and I laid back.  My pants began to make sounds like they where trying to talk and I looked at them again and they where much closer to my bed.  I started to freak out a bit and scream profanity at them.  I blacked out again.

I woke up, and was paralyzed AGAIN...  my pants where still behaving freakishly but more calmly and not as frightening.  I looked at my computer screen and my screen saver was working right, the clock said 2:20 this time and a few things where missing from my room.  I looked at the wiring going from my computer to the outlet and I could see strange lines running all over it, like spaghetti noodles.  They where slightly transparent and swarmed around the cable.  I decided that an attempt to get up and explore was in order.  I sat up, fighting the paralysis which seemed to be an extreme heaviness now.  I tried to stand but began to float instead.  I headed towards the nearest wall and passed through it and blacked out again.

I woke up yet again but separated instantly.  I made my way through the wall with a bit of difficulty and I was suddenly walking through my neighborhood which was covered in snow.  I decided to go to my friends houses but then was torn on which friend, they both lived close but I couldnt decide.  I began to panic knowing that if i didnt make up my mind quickly I would probably wake up or black out and start over again.  I decided to attempt to travel instantly.  I closed my eyes and thought about my friends house and leaned in the general direction of his house, stretching my torso out like Stretch Armstrong.  It felt amazing and I could feel myself stretching further and further and then I felt like my whole body was being sucked into a black hole.  I opened my eyes but found myself about 10 feet from where i had been to begin with.  I slumped my shoulders in dismay and decided to just fly around and eavesdrop on whatever random people I could find.  

I thought I was in the RTZ up until this point but the more I looked at the buildings around me the more I realized it was not my neighborhood.  I could fly but something didnt seem right.  As I flew about attempting to find someone I noticed a house with a group of people in it.  I swooped through the wall... well... slamming into it like a bird trying to fly through glass and then prying my way through the wall layer by layer would be a better description, but i made my way through it with a bit of effort and found myself in a kitchen.  An older woman was walking through it and I tried to hide.  She didnt notice me but she should have as my effort to hide involved flying right in front of her and then fleeing panicked into the exact room she was heading to by accident.  She didnt see me at all.  I shrugged and headed to another room which seemed to be a storage room or a basement, but it wasnt underground.  The walls where concrete and the floor was dirt.  I looked over a few things sitting about, boxes filled with random things and a fuse box, nothing exciting.  I tried to find the group of people I had seen through the window earlier but they where gone and so was the old woman.  As soon as I left the house I woke up for good when my alarm went off at 1:30pm.  I forgot I had set it an hour earlier than I wanted to wake up so I wouldnt be more lazy than I already am.  That about wraps it up, got a long night of stupid work ahead of me.  Hope I will had some of the same luck I had tomorrow or tonight.
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2006, 21:52:47 »

Hi knightlight

Good you see you back on board, so to speak.  And with one of your classic experiences.  I love reading them - talking jeans had me sniggering and when I read about you trying to hide from the old woman by flying right in front of her, I nearly fell over with laughing, and then fleeing to the same room she was headed - oh man, I was crawling around having fits!!  It's mainly recognition that makes me laugh - I'm not laughing at your confusion, but more that I know what it's like.

I just love your experiences - please have more and continue to post them.  They rock!!

Anyway, enough jollity.

I think a lot of what happens to you is to do with the paralysis.  I'm not an expert on this, because I don't get paralysis (not to my conscious knowledge anyway), but from what I've read about it, "stranger than strange" things tend to happen during paralysis.  And as you know, if you start to fear what is happening, it makes it much worse.



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I began to panic knowing that if i didnt make up my mind quickly I would probably wake up or black out and start over again.


I've begun to do this - panic - and it really isn't helpful because as soon as I panic (or near enough), I'm back at square one, sometimes with a second chance, sometimes not.  It's very hard to not think about zapping back or the physical body, once that first teeny tiny weeny thought enters your mind.  Annoying, isn't it?  angry

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I decided to attempt to travel instantly.  I closed my eyes and thought about my friends house and leaned in the general direction of his house, stretching my torso out like Stretch Armstrong.  It felt amazing and I could feel myself stretching further and further and then I felt like my whole body was being sucked into a black hole.  I opened my eyes but found myself about 10 feet from where i had been to begin with.


That is in true 'knightlight' fashion  smiley   I've tried this before and generally fail miserably.  I open my eyes and haven't even gone one step.  So, you're not alone.  I keep reading that in the astral all you have to do is think of someone and you're instantly there - hmmm, doesn't work with me, or you apparently.  I don't even so much as stretch, so you're one ahead of me on this front!!

Great experience, thanks for sharing.  grin

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2006, 23:52:25 »

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I think a lot of what happens to you is to do with the paralysis. I'm not an expert on this, because I don't get paralysis (not to my conscious knowledge anyway), but from what I've read about it, "stranger than strange" things tend to happen during paralysis. And as you know, if you start to fear what is happening, it makes it much worse.


You would be very correct.  Back before I learned to stay calm during paralysis I used to fight it like mad.  The most terrifying things used to happen to me because I would fight it so hard and panic so much that the situation always turned bad real fast. The first time I had paralysis I was dreaming somewhat lucidly and I remember saying "I love you" to someone in my dream and then I woke up.  I could feel someone laying in bed next to me.  I didnt open my eyes right away and sort of just felt the leg of the person with my hands.  The leg was cold but thin and feminine.  I struggled with it in my head for a bit, I couldnt remember why someone was in my bed.  Suddenly the leg shifted slightly like the person was sleeping and felt my hand and instinctively moved aside.  My arms where extended out at the elbow, everything above that joint was immobile so I couldnt reach any further.  My eyes sprung open just as i realized there couldnt be anyone in my bed and realized I was essentially totally paralyzed.

I panicked instantly. I was laying on my side and where the person should have been was way off the bed.  I lost it.  I thought I had officially gone insane.  The thought of permanent paralysis came to mind.  A deep voice said into my ear "I love you too." and began laughing uproariously.  My head began to be wrenched around and I thought my neck was going to snap.  My head went from straight ahead to almost straight back and I was staring into the face of a 2 dimensional shadow.  There wasnt any features to the face, just a side profile.  I could see where the eyes should have been, the nose, and the mouth.  I freaked.  I spazzed.  I tried to scream but nothing came out, I tried to move but couldnt.  I was frozen stiff, forced to look deep into the shadows blackness.  Needless to say this has stuck with me.  

Anyway I am getting way way way off track here.  Paralysis can actually be just as fun as projection or phasing.  I often times find myself laughing at the top of my lungs during paralysis now instead of going insane with fright.  I have had some of my best projections spring from paralysis.  Be glad if you never have it though because once you start it doesnt stop in my experience.

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I've begun to do this - panic - and it really isn't helpful because as soon as I panic (or near enough), I'm back at square one, sometimes with a second chance, sometimes not. It's very hard to not think about zapping back or the physical body, once that first teeny tiny weeny thought enters your mind. Annoying, isn't it?


Yes, it sure is!!!!   :poh:

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That is in true 'knightlight' fashion  I've tried this before and generally fail miserably. I open my eyes and haven't even gone one step. So, you're not alone. I keep reading that in the astral all you have to do is think of someone and you're instantly there - hmmm, doesn't work with me, or you apparently. I don't even so much as stretch, so you're one ahead of me on this front!!


Yeah its hard.  I read all of Monroes books and he talks about it like its childsplay.  Ive never had it work once intentionally.

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Great experience, thanks for sharing.


Not a problem.  You folks are the only people who dont think I've lost it completely when I rant about this stuff.  Thank YOU!  :dancing:
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2006, 11:57:02 »

Hi knightlight

Your first paralysis sounds horrendous - I'm not surprised it has stuck with you.  It's good that you have "got over it" to the point of now being able to control (to some extent) your paralysis, at least mentally.

Anyway, I thought I'd share this with you.  I didn't dream about talking trousers, but I did have something happen.  I must have gone to bed thinking about paralysis.

Here's what happened and my thoughts follow.

I was having a dream where I was feeling drugged and couldn’t wake up.  I knew it was one of those “druggie” dreams so I sat it out.

I awoke, probably around 3am.  I lay on my back with my arms above my head and relaxed.  The next thing I knew is my astral arms were coming out, which surprised me as I don’t have RTZ OBEs very much these days.  I managed to separate quite easily and sort of floated/drifted around wondering what to do.  No plan (yet again) so before you know it, I was back in the physical.  This time I thought that when I get out again, I would try and change the environment.  I relaxed down into the correct state for separation and I felt my body slowly swaying.  Of course, this wasn’t my physical body swaying.  It’s a gorgeous feeling – I almost couldn’t be bothered climbing out of myself – I was enjoying swinging too much.

However, I’d now got a plan of sorts, so I easily separated and moved to the end of the bed.  I didn’t notice any 'pull' to the physical at all.  I looked at my hands.  I had vision, which is a minor miracle for me, although I didn’t really acknowledge this fact at the time.  I remembered that people mentioned psi balls and whatnot, but I hadn’t a clue what a psi ball was, so instead I decided to create an apple and put it in my hand.  I held both hands out, palms up and mentally willed an apple to be in my left hand.  

Nothing.  I tried to do it with my right hand.  Nothing.  Then I thought perhaps I couldn’t see the apple, but maybe I could touch it.  So I moved my fingers as if to wrap them around an apple.  Nothing.  With all this nonsense, I was back in the physical, awake, but deeply relaxed.  

I knew that I’d got another chance so I lowered myself and placed intent to visit F4.  Talk about ambitious!!  I ought to have known that if I couldn’t create apples, I was hardly likely to get to F4!!

I became astral and said “F4” over and over in my mind.  I floated out easily.  I wasn’t directing where I was going this time – my second body seemed to move automatically.  I floated across the bedroom (I think I was horizontal) and went through the door, turned left into the hall and was instantly back in the physical, too awake to have another bash.


I occasionally have what I call "druggie" dreams.  They're really odd.  It happens just before I fully awake and it's as if I've been injected with a tranquiliser.  I'm normally very warm, and feel like I've got 100 blankets on me.  I know I can't wake up.  

I'm assuming this is some form of sleep paralysis?  However, it does seem different because I know I'm dreaming and what I often do, once I've realised what is happening, is I tend to relax knowing that it will be over soon.

In fact this experience that I had in the early hours of this morning reminded me that I used to have druggie dreams just before a lot of my old OBEs.  

I now think that what I'm experiencing IS sleep paralysis, but for some magnificent reason, I never let it get scary.  I always ride it out.  Which is a bonus.

Sarah
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2006, 16:43:16 »

I've read a lot about sleep paralysis in conjuction with OBE's, but I've been reading "Astral Dynamics" and Robert Bruce has a take on it I've never heard before. He says that most of the time sleep paralysis occurs after the double has already projected but was consciously missed. He said you should wait for it to re-enter and try to remember exactly what happened. He said projecting from sleep paralysis is more than likely the double returning, then being able to get out as it's already loose.

PS - I can't confirm this true or false.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2006, 19:45:37 »

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He says that most of the time sleep paralysis occurs after the double has already projected but was consciously missed. He said you should wait for it to re-enter and try to remember exactly what happened. He said projecting from sleep paralysis is more than likely the double returning, then being able to get out as it's already loose.


Hmmm, that's interesting.  So it means that if you get sleep paralysis, you've already had your projection, and not remembered it.  And then the last little bits we get (in terms of both knightlight and I) where we are able to get out 2 or 3 times are purely our double returning and taking its time to fully "fit" as it were.  

Well, that's disappointing to hear.  Having a full blown projection and not remembering a damn thing.   cheesy

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2006, 20:46:41 »

Well this is developing into a good discussion!  Good to hear from you stookie.  

Selski, your experiences of the blankets on you and the sense of being drugged is sort of paralysis...  I have had that happen as well, but its not the same.  Paralysis is like your body turning to stone.  You feel like you are an inanimate object, totally helpless.  In my experience of those druggy dreams you speak of typically I feel like there is some extreme change in gravity, I tend to get the feeling I am fighting to wake up and usually I will wake up only to find myself trying to wake up again and again, the whole time being really sluggish and trying hard to move my extremely heavy limbs.  I can move, its just hard.  With paralysis I cant move, and the more I try to move the longer it lasts.  Usually though I can move my neck a tiny bit and my eyes and mouth are always free from the paralysis, but when I try and talk usually things dont come out right or sound really strange.

I guess after that long rambling paragraph the main difference for me is the ability to move at all.  Paralysis, no luck, druggy experiences, I can move but its so freakin hard and the feeling of ultra high gravity really sticks out.  I also dont usually see anything strange or hear anything when I am having a drugged experience.

Stookie:  I have come to the conclusion that paralysis is simply the consiousness activating before the body.  It sort of sticks me in limbo before my body catches up, allowing me not to wake up fully and in the physical entirely, placing me in some strange overlay area until I can get everything together and functioning properly in unison.  Bruce's ideas on paralysis make sense with his system but I tend to disagree based on my experiences.   :dont-know:
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2006, 22:32:55 »

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I have had some of my best projections spring from paralysis. Be glad if you never have it though because once you start it doesnt stop in my experience.

Knightlight:  Is there a method to this?  I get horrendous paralysis, with 'hag' effects and visualizing doesn't seem to do anything, just make me feel more impotent and vulnerable.  If I could project from one then it would be more pleasant, at least.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2006, 05:22:59 »

I remember reading somewhere about a how to guide to using paralysis as a springboard for OBE's but I cant remember where.  What I would do is as soon as you get paralysis just close your eyes no matter whats happening and let go.  Dont try to move, forget about your body entirely.  I have had a few OBE's from doing this:  Just close your eyes and focus on the blackness and in my experience the feeling of your body disappears very quickly and either I fall asleep right away again or I have an OBE.  Both are better than paralysis, especially the "hag" paralysis.  I wish people would let that myth of the old hag just die.  It makes so many people freak out during paralysis because they think some hag is going to steal their soul or harm them.  

Another idea you might want to consider is that the next time you have paralysis think of something really really really funny... like... muppets on fire doing backflips in space... or a midget dancing dressed like a clown or something and just start laughing out loud.  Focus on whatever makes you laugh until you forget about anything negative.  Usually when I have paralysis and my mood is good I have a good time of it.  It may sound like a foreign concept... fun paralysis... especially given your situation but it is possible.  Lets say you wake up paralyzed and feel the hag.  Just imagine it is Gonzo from the Muppet Show perched on your chest and start talking to him.  Call him Gonzo, crack a joke at his expense and see what happens.  Best of luck to you!  I feel your pain.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2006, 16:30:28 »

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Stookie: I have come to the conclusion that paralysis is simply the consiousness activating before the body. It sort of sticks me in limbo before my body catches up, allowing me not to wake up fully and in the physical entirely, placing me in some strange overlay area until I can get everything together and functioning properly in unison. Bruce's ideas on paralysis make sense with his system but I tend to disagree based on my experiences.


I think he mentions it in a section on failed OBE attempts. He did note that it's not every case of sleep paralysis. It kind of rang true with me in the sense that the only times I've ever experienced paralysis is either after an RTZ projection or after heavy vibrations with no projection. It sounds logical, but like I said before, I have no way of confirming it.

I have a co-worker who experiences sleep paralysis when she's stressed out. She says she'll be lying in bed for what seems like an hour and can look around with her eyes, but not move anything else. The last time it happened she said it sounded like someone was running around her house breaking stuff, but when she could finally get up, everything was normal. She's an old-fashioned kind of person, so it's hard for me to drop the OBE relation on her.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2006, 18:33:38 »

All I can say is my sincere condolences to those who do get sleep paralysis - it sounds horrendous.  

My druggie dreams seem like a breeze compared to paralysis.  I've never had it, and don't want it thank you very much.

Do most OBErs have paralysis then?  And is it generally before exit or either before/after?  I know Stookie mentions he gets it after, but is that the "norm"?

Knightlight - with the druggie dreams that you get (it's nice to know someone else knows what I'm talking about) - do you find they are a precursor to OBEs or not?  I think mine generally are, but not always.

And one more thing - those who do experience sleep paralysis - do you also have OBEs where you don't experience it?

Ho hum, so many questions...  :spaceout:

And finally, has anyone got any links to good websites about sleep paralysis - I'm quite interested to learn more about it.  (Which probably means I'll no doubt experience it once I start actively reading about it...  rolleyes  )

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2006, 19:00:40 »

I have only ever experienced paralysis upon waking up from a dream, and usually when I wake very abruptly--usually due to being frightened by a nightmare.  It always takes me a moment to realize I've woken from a dream; even though I may be aware of my normal surroundings, I still expect that the dream will continue.  It takes my mind a moment to come back to reality and let my body "wake up."  It's sort of freaky, but not too distressing.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2006, 19:10:30 »

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And one more thing - those who do experience sleep paralysis - do you also have OBEs where you don't experience it?


I've had more OBE's without it than with. I only remember about 3 or 4 occasions where it did happen, but I knew exactly what was going so I didn't panic. The "wiggle your big toe" trick worked for me every time.

Here's a couple links to Robert Bruce's site where he talks about it:

http://www.astraldynamics.com/search.asp?Search=sleep%20paralysis&Type=1&ReferenceID=472

http://www.astraldynamics.com/search.asp?Search=sleep%20paralysis&Type=1&ReferenceID=274
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2006, 23:14:44 »

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Do most OBErs have paralysis then? And is it generally before exit or either before/after? I know Stookie mentions he gets it after, but is that the "norm"?


I dont think thats the norm... I'm not sure if there is a norm here.  In my experience i have had paralysis during every phase of OBE's and even just randomly for no reason.  I have also had it happen after dreams.

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Knightlight - with the druggie dreams that you get (it's nice to know someone else knows what I'm talking about) - do you find they are a precursor to OBEs or not? I think mine generally are, but not always.


They usually are a postcursor... is that a word??? well you get what im saying.  Usually I will be having a very vivid dream or an OBE or something and then on my way to being awake fully I tend to wake up, feel heavy all over, struggle to stand and then wake up again and do the same thing, this is usually accompanied by blurred vision and the sense i'm in the twilight zone... which I guess I kind of am.  I will repeat this process probably about 3 or 4 times and then wake up for good.

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And one more thing - those who do experience sleep paralysis - do you also have OBEs where you don't experience it?


My sleep paralysis seems to happen without a real pattern.  It seems to happen most after an OBE but has as I said happened on the brink of sleep, during an OBE, after, after a lucid dream, and for no reason at all.

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Which probably means I'll no doubt experience it once I start actively reading about it...


Its not so bad... after you get used to it.  :demon:

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To convert waking paralysis to OBE, persons must reach out with their feelings and try to connect with their projected doubles.  They must feel around the room with their feelings, trying to perceive and connect.  Once a connection is made, the centre of consciousness will either switch instantly to the projected double, or this may be reeled in and then a fully conscious OBE exit may then occur. I’ve tried this many times, as have many of my volunteers, and this type of conversion is very hit or miss.


This in a nutshell is basically how I convert paralysis into OBE.  Theres lots of mumbo jumbo in there but its a good method and I would say its pretty reliable from personal experience but methods are always different for everyone.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2006, 23:51:03 »

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I remember reading somewhere about a how to guide to using paralysis as a springboard for OBE's but I cant remember where.  What I would do is as soon as you get paralysis just close your eyes no matter whats happening and let go.  Dont try to move, forget about your body entirely.  I have had a few OBE's from doing this:  Just close your eyes and focus on the blackness and in my experience the feeling of your body disappears very quickly and either I fall asleep right away again or I have an OBE.  Both are better than paralysis, especially the "hag" paralysis.  I wish people would let that myth of the old hag just die.  It makes so many people freak out during paralysis because they think some hag is going to steal their soul or harm them.  

Another idea you might want to consider is that the next time you have paralysis think of something really really really funny... like... muppets on fire doing backflips in space... or a midget dancing dressed like a clown or something and just start laughing out loud.  Focus on whatever makes you laugh until you forget about anything negative.  Usually when I have paralysis and my mood is good I have a good time of it.  It may sound like a foreign concept... fun paralysis... especially given your situation but it is possible.  Lets say you wake up paralyzed and feel the hag.  Just imagine it is Gonzo from the Muppet Show perched on your chest and start talking to him.  Call him Gonzo, crack a joke at his expense and see what happens.  Best of luck to you!  I feel your pain.

Actually, (unfortunately) my hag isn't felt, but seen, which is even less fun.  The last time it looked like a Goth teen with skull t-shirt and glowing red eyes.  Even though I knew what it was (I believe the red eyes are standard) it still scared the shite out of me- I think next time I'll try humor- maybe I'll try turning him/it into Ronald McDonald or something like that... I think closing my eyes might be the ticket.
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2006, 19:26:24 »

Thanks for the links Stookie.  However, I was looking for something more historical/scientific like this one:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050709/bob9.asp

Interesting that the word "nightmare" originally meant sleep paralysis.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2006, 15:08:22 »

Thought it might help explaining what I posted before.
Here's more scientific stuff if you're still interested:

http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

http://www.nightterrors.org/paralysis.html

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9810

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro00/web1/Takahashi.html
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2006, 16:11:09 »

Hi Stookie

It does help to explain - thank you.  My fault - I didn't make myself clear.

I'll be checking out your further links, for which many thanks!  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2006, 21:56:14 »

Hi knightlight

Thanks for responding so fully to my meanderings.  

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Usually I will be having a very vivid dream or an OBE or something and then on my way to being awake fully I tend to wake up, feel heavy all over, struggle to stand and then wake up again and do the same thing, this is usually accompanied by blurred vision and the sense i'm in the twilight zone... which I guess I kind of am.  I will repeat this process probably about 3 or 4 times and then wake up for good.


That reminded me that my druggie dreams tend to involve false awakenings.  Like you, I normally "wake up" from a druggie dream into another dream.  But the second dream is a layer higher to consciousness than the druggie dream (if that makes sense), and sometimes it's high enough to instigate an OBE.  

Your thread seems to have morphed into a sleep paralysis discussion - hope you don't mind!  smiley

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2006, 02:37:14 »

Hey its all good!  I love posting my experiences and wherever the conversation goes from there is fine by me.  I love getting the ball rolling on this forum, I always aim to answer any questions people have, get people to talk with each other and ultimately educate people on this subject.  I would rather have a thread like this start out with my post and keep rolling with questions, comments, and even changing topics.  Its better than "hey... cool experience..." like 4 times in a row and then a dead basically pointless thread.

I also love giving inspiration to newbies.  I remember first coming here and reading experiences, even if they where really run of the mill or even just plain boring, and being totally enthralled by them simply because after reading each one I would think to myself "That could happen to me... tonight!" and it kept me going.  Your whimsical approach and frustration, Selski, was always very amusing to me and I felt I had a partner in the insane torment that is the difficulty of projection.  Some people come here, practice for a while and bam, project all the time.  There biggest worry isnt consistancy it is content.  I couldnt relate to them, I still cant, but I could always relate to you from the day I started on the forum up until today.  You started ahead of me but I think we are developing inside the same timeframe for the most part, running into the same areas often within days of each other, like the shopping area.

Frank inspired me until his hiatus, I think he inspired a lot of us.  He is responsible for much of my development, he was the mortar that held together the shakey bricks that Rob B. and Monroe stacked up for me in the very beginning.

Stookie, always present and giving your 2 cents!   grin   Great to have you around.  

Well lookie here... not only wandering off topic but practically giving you my whole life story... anyway...

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That reminded me that my druggie dreams tend to involve false awakenings. Like you, I normally "wake up" from a druggie dream into another dream. But the second dream is a layer higher to consciousness than the druggie dream (if that makes sense), and sometimes it's high enough to instigate an OBE.


Yes, false awakenings have always been around during my druggie dreams.  I think we need to come up with some term for these dreams...  I havent had any of these dreams for a while so I dont ever remember feeling like I was getting closer to waking up or not or sensing any raise in consciousness towards an awake state...  I could be wrong, but again, as I always say! : Things like this are usually unique to each person.

Anyway...  Term for the dreams... hmm...

Gotta think on that one.  Anyone else got any ideas?
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2006, 09:41:57 »

Hi knightlight

Thanks for your kind words - it's great to hear that others get something from my posts.  Makes it all worthwhile!  smiley

OK, what shall we call druggie dreams.  We can't stick with druggie dreams - the wrong impression would be given.  A few ideas to get the ball rolling...

1.  CWU dreams  (Can't Wake Up)

That's a bit of a mouthful to say.  (But easy to type.)

2.  NQRTFRY dreams (Not Quite Ready To Fully Rouse Yet)

Hmm, a bit long.

3.  WAMOT dreams (Wait A Moment Or Two)

Hmm, Wamot dreaming.  It could be shortened to Wam dreams.

Over to you...  cheesy

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2006, 05:43:18 »

HGFA High Gravity False Awakening

DILS Dipped in Lead Syndrome

Weighted Awakening

 :grumble:  This is harder than I thought.
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2006, 14:50:49 »

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DILS Dipped in Lead Syndrome


I like this one, but might it be confused with sleep paralysis?

DIABOL (Dipped In A Bit Of Lead)??  cheesy

Then we could called them DIABOLICAL dreams (Dipped In A Bit Of Lead If Can't Awaken Lately)??

This isn't easy...  :hammer:

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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2006, 07:47:45 »

I guess it could be confused with sleep paralysis, but sleep paralysis is like being at absolute zero, no chance of movement what so ever.  Every molecule of your body is frozen solid.  Being dipped in lead just makes things ridiculously hard.
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2006, 19:07:37 »

Someone asked if there was a pattern to sleep paralysis and I thought I might be able to shed some light based on my own personal experiences, however limited.
Nearly every time that i have had paralysis, it was after a nap, during the evening or afternoon, never after a goodnights sleep in the morning, I think that it may be because my body is ready to wake up after a goodnights sleep I don't know. However I thought that this was interesting because I am sure that in one of Franks older posts he stated what he thought was the best and worst times for APing, and in it he said that he found it alot more difficult after a goodnights sleep in the morning than say after or before a short nap during the day.
Just my 2 pence.
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