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Author Topic: How conscious/lucid (clear) are you during AP?  (Read 1070 times)
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« on: March 22, 2016, 18:33:56 »

Hi.
I've had about 4-5 OOBEs in the past one year since I began practising. But none of them felt 'clear'. It felt more like a dream-state consciousness. They were very vague. Firstly, most of the time they lacked vision. Once the vision set in, it seems like I slip into a lucid dream (because, again, it doesnt feel like how I expect an AP to be). I expect an AP to feel like the regular physical reality consciousness or a super consciousness (as in be perceptive to something beyond the five senses.
Do you guys feel the same way, or does it get better with time?
When I separate out of the body, I wish to turn around and see myself and my room clearly. When I wish to see my friend (while OOB), I would to be able to do that, and see what he's actually (really) doing then like the way I read in others posts/experiences.
Are all these possible?
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2016, 02:17:25 »

I have had ap experiences when it feels like I am physically there but I am not.   I am extremely alert.    The experience is brilliant.   You can feel the wind and I see everything clearly.   The landscape is magnificent. It is fantastic.   I have had other experiences when everything is vague.   It is just like a dream.   I am not impressed with dreams.   I am not saying that with other peoples experiences.   I am saying that is how I feel with my experiences.   When it is a bit like a dream things tend to be created from your mind.  When the experience is vague I say, I am aware now.   I feel the grass and say it again.   I feel my hands, feel my face etc and say it again.   I keep doing it until I am very alert.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2016, 14:10:30 »

When I can do it I'm normal alertness. The vision is not all that clear all the time. Sometimes I can't see a think but I can hear. Other times I can see.

Most of the AP's are non lucid.  I have to be at a certain point in my sleep cycle and at a certain point in my psi cycle which runs about 5 weeks.  During the middle of that 5 week period is the peak. I have good lucidity and control plus half decent vision. If I'm off I might have hearing but no vision or I might not be able to get into the state and be lucid.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 00:27:16 »

For me, clarity is achieved by consecutive experiences. If I fail to properly recall my dreams upon wakening the quality seems to diminish over time and the reverse is also true.

This morning I had an experience wherein I was unaware that I was dreaming, this is the most common type for me, however, the vividness of the reality was very comparable to this one.

Most of the experiences I have had where I become aware in a dream are actually less vivid unless I manage to manually do something by willing the clear vision.

This is speculative territory but I do feel like dream recall is somehow related to the vividness of what you experience. I'm going to have to provoke Xanth by labelling evil and say that I do agree that an AP "should" be a hyper-reality experience.

It is more for the sake of terminology than anything else, all of these experiences seem to exist on a variable spectrum, but until you go into the hyper-reality experience we are really just discussing what is commonly bucketed into the normal dreams category.

My one wake induced experience resulted in awareness that I was in another reality and I had visual clarity. It didn't get into hyper-reality territory barring the fact that I was hovering in a room; I think it may have, if I had have been able to maintain the experience for longer.

All of the things you described should be possible. There are also multiple ways to experience what you described, you could do it all without being aware you are in another reality. If you are entering into these OBE's with the awareness that you are in another reality then it is a matter of learning to apply your willpower correctly to achieve your goals.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016, 21:28:25 »

Thank you for all your replies  smiley
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