How I Got Out For The First Time

[Realisation]

How do you bypass the natural fear response if it's your first-time though?

[radman32]

those suggestions r very helpful, I'll try it. I guess that's where my work has been leading me anyways!!

[kurtykurt42]

How do you bypass the natural fear response if it's your first-time though?

Just try not to think about! 

Always keep your mind on the 'present', the here and now and you'll do fine.

[Realisation]

I tried it last night before I went to bed, got into a light trance but then I got a jolt of 'vibrations' that brought me out of it. Guess I need to go at it slower?

[kurtykurt42]

Slower, faster, whatever works. I always like to push it to the limit. 

[personalreality]

I just posted about this in the topic "The Resurrection of Robert Bruce".  WHen I get out I usually fall asleep a few times and wake up a few times (lightly of course) and it's at this point when I wake up that I feel the vibrations and exit.  I don't know if it's because I'm teetering so much on the edge of sleep or what, but the vibrations aren't very intense at all.  Though when I do intensify the vibrations they reach a point where it kind of starts to tickle down to the bone.  The first couple of times it was so intense that I almost had to quit.  But I've found that once I start the increase of vibration intensity there seems to be a threshold where once that point is crossed I don't have to hold my state of mind so delicately.  I just let go and the process works out on its own.  Keep it up.

[Xanth]

How do you bypass the natural fear response if it's your first-time though?

Exactly the same way you get past any fear.
Face it and overcome it.

There's no "easy" way. 

[Stookie]

I agree - hitting it head on is the best way.

[personalreality]

I've noticed as I've read through posts that (a lot) of people seem to have had a little bit of success doing this.  I'm happy.

[Draq]

Thanks for this info Personalreality !

i have been trying hard this past week, but failed twice once i get the buzz. i lose my focus because i got too excited.

just hope i can get into astral world soon.

when do you know you are ready to leave your body? there was once i felt like i had two heads, but i am not sure if i was imagining it.

[personalreality]

I know I'm ready to exit when I feel vibrations.  At that point I just increase their intensity and vibrate out of the body. 

Vibrations aren't always felt though.  Since I've begun having successful projections (only been a few weeks now) the vibrations have decreased significantly.  I still feel them, but nothing like I did when I started.

[WASD]

Sounds like very good technique to me will try tomorrow. I've tried similar things after waking up but i never really gave them time. And once i got vibrations after being awake for 1 minute so i believed it should be that fast.

[11_Chimp_11]

Hi Personalreality, on your blog you say you've been doing energy work prior to your obe's lately. Can I ask what you've been doing exactly?

Love reading your entires btw. And thanks for the tips in this thread - I've been getting closer to an exit with your 'non' method.
Focusing on the ringing in the ears really ramps things up for me...just gotta maintain that focus and not get too excited when the vibes kick in. I'll keep you posted.

[Tiny]

Dear personalreality,

thank you for using the term "dissociation".

I looked it up and i read (translated):

Dissociation in psychology is the partial or complete loss of normal integration of memories of the past, identity, immediate perceptions and motor control

It fits so perfectly the description of trance meditation.

Now I find it so deceptive to say one has to focus in meditation, while that may appear true on a deeper level, the kind of focus concerning trance meditation is really a state of being in a stable void, as i would describe it, so un-focus becomes a sort of focus.


peace

[personalreality]

You know, I've found over the past few months that my paradigm for OBE theory and practice had a lot of little "inconsistencies" that weren't really bad or wrong, but a simple change in perspective regarding some of these things has done a lot to change the way I think about OBEs as a whole and in my opinion fueled the fire of my first exit. 

One of those inconsistencies was using terms like "body asleep" or "paralyzed".  Again, not to say that those terms are wrong, but in my personal experience, they were misleading. 

I remember a long time ago, asking people on this forum how I was supposed to make my body paralyzed, because I couldn't do it and I was sure I'd never project until I could.  More recently I spent so much time and effort trying to make my body go to sleep while I kept my mind awake that my mind would be WIDE AWAKE and my body would be in a light trance.  I've discovered through trial, error, research and contemplation that the way I was thinking about the proper state of mind and body was deceptive and was leading me to do the opposite of what I have learned I should do. 

When you think about it, dissociation from the body is what you really want.  You don't want your body to be paralyzed because let's face it, that's scary!! (and therefore disruptive and distracting)  You also don't want mind awake/body asleep (this has different meaning once you've experienced it) because you often exert too much mental effort to get to that place actively (I think it's more appropriate to think of this as a passively achieved state).  Frank describes this well when he's teaching phasing.  What you're doing when you phase is turning your attention from the outside to the inside, a 180 degree turn.  So, what is your body?  It's the outside.  And what is your "mind"?  For our purposes, it's the inside.  So what you want to do then is to "turn off" awareness of your body and shift to the awareness of your non-physical functions.  I think that the subtleties here are important.  While mind awake/body asleep or paralysis are certainly ways that this state can be achieved, they are not the actual goal (In my opinion naturally).  The real goal then is to dissociate your mind from your body, to "forget" your body, the memories of your body and most importantly the sensations associated, thus dis-associating from the experience of a physical body and an association with the non-physical aspects of your experience.

I also explained this to Eyyoshi recently, I have changed my usage of the word vibration to the word buzz.  The reason is that I don't experience bodily vibrations per se.  What I experience is a buzzing sensation as I actually exit.  I had a misconception for a long time that in order to exit I had to first feel my body vibrate.  I knew and know that everyone feels or doesn't feel different things before exit.  But I still thought that some feeling was required BEFORE the exit.  Now that I have experienced it, it's not that I feel buzzing before the exit, but rather I buzz as I exit.  So the buzzing isn't my queue that it's time to exit, it's just a sensation I feel as I move from one awareness to another.  The way I like to think of it is that while in physicality I'm very focused on the body and when I'm out of body I'm very focused on the non-physical environment.  But when I'm moving from one to the other there's a split second where I'm not specifically focused on either one, rather I'm focused on the actual vibrational frequency of the "light" in between.  Think of it like this:


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~~~~~~~~~~  NON-PHYSICAL  ~~~~~~~~~~~~                             
----------------------------------------------------     
                                                                         ^
                        PHASE--SHIFT                              |  180 degree shift
                                                                         v
----------------------------------------------------
~   ~    ~    ~      PHYSICAL     ~    ~    ~    ~    ~
----------------------------------------------------

You can see that the non-physical experience "vibrates" faster than the physical.  That's thermodynamics.  The faster something vibrates, the more "transparent" it becomes relative to physical reality.  (i.e. solid --> liquid --> gas --> plasma --> non-physical)  The "substance" of the non-physical (perhaps it's strings) vibrates at a faster frequency than the "substance" of the physical, thereby making it undetectable to our normal physical senses and technological instruments (both of which can detect it given enough development) and allowing the non-physical realms to exist simultaneously in the same space as our physical realm.  So, in the phase-shift (for lack of a better term) there is a transition happening between the frequency of the physical and non-physical.  I mean it doesn't just jump from one to the other, it moves up a gradient of increasing or decreasing frequency.  In that in between space, there isn't any "solidified" object to focus attention on.  All that is there is abstract energy of differing frequency and our awareness moves through it when going from physical to non-physical and back.  And so, with no specific form to focus on, we just perceive the energy and it comes across as buzzing or vibrating. 

Personally I don't experience it on the way back to the physical because I usually black out and am suddenly aware of my body instead of the non-physical.  This happens (I think) because I've "run out" of usable astral energy and so i get zapped back because I can't keep it up, I'm fatigued.  So my awareness has lost.....awareness I guess, of the transition because there's no more energy to fuel the perception of the experience.