How I Got Out For The First Time

[Fresco]

How the heck would I know that? I wouldn't even be able to tell you what percentage of planets in this galaxy support life.

Isnt it something you can find out when AP'ing??

[kurtykurt42]

I would bet that every star in the galaxy is capable of having at least one planet around it that supports life in some form or another. There are about 100 - 400 billion stars in our galaxy. It's difficult to say how many planets there are orbiting these stars but I would have to say about a trillion or so. If only 1% of these trillion planets had life that would be about (10^12 * .01) = 1,000,000,000 or one billion planets.

[zareste]

Gravity would make sense of the density concept, perhaps. I'm no physicist but I've studied electromagnetism quite a bit, and I think gravity might be specific to frequency. As in, particles might only exert gravity on particles of a similar frequency. So in effect, an entire object might form on one frequency without interacting with objects on other frequencies

Very theoretical, and it wouldn't imply less or greater gravity on any frequency. I think it's what happens when ghosts phase through walls

Kurt, how many planets in our universe do you think support life (approximate percentage)??

I can answer that: All of them. Even the void of space has life in it (albeit different).

But I'm guessing you mean cellular carbon/hydrogen life like we're familiar with. There are numerous planets similar to ours - we're one of many Earth-types - with civilizations and forests and oceans. There are also many desert planets similar to Mars that are sparsely inhabited. There are frozen planets like Pluto where encapsulated cities are built. I've gotten wind that even our own Moon is terraformed on the back.

Seems we're going off on another tangent, aren't we?

[Fresco]

I would bet that every star in the galaxy is capable of having at least one planet around it that supports life in some form or another. There are about 100 - 400 billion stars in our galaxy. It's difficult to say how many planets there are orbiting these stars but I would have to say about a trillion or so. If only 1% of these trillion planets had life that would be about (10^12 * .01) = 1,000,000,000 or one billion planets.

This guy claims every planet in our solar system has life: http://www.soundcurrentrider.com/
But some have different vibration levels, thats why we cant detect life on any here from earth

I can answer that: All of them. Even the void of space has life in it (albeit different).

But I'm guessing you mean cellular carbon/hydrogen life like we're familiar with. There are numerous planets similar to ours - we're one of many Earth-types - with civilizations and forests and oceans. There are also many desert planets similar to Mars that are sparsely inhabited. There are frozen planets like Pluto where encapsulated cities are built. I've gotten wind that even our own Moon is terraformed on the back.

You are right, there's many reports of structures on the moon.  Not sure if they were built by us or someone else.
I'm also convinced the US govt and NASA knows life exists on Mars, thats why they keep going back there.  Not sure why they just dont come clean with it though, I think most people can handle it

[zareste]

yeah people would handle it fine. In fact everyone was ready and raring to find life before NASA showed up and pulled the great geocentric-life scam. Not many people believed this 'alone in the universe' stuff before they showed up. Mars and other planets have life and structures that are plainly visible and sometimes abundant - they're just edited out of the pictures.

I wonder if we should make a thread about galactic life in general

I know there's something going on with the Moon. In a projection once, I decided to walk on the back of the Moon myself. When I got there, I was rather confused because it looked like a desert on Earth - brown sand, yellow sunset, a hint of blue in the sky though it was mostly black. I thought I had gone to the wrong planet. The only thing that tipped me off was when I looked at the sand - there were little 'craters' in it - evidence of space dust. I didn't get to see any structures I'm afraid

As for who's up there - it's not any single government, as nation-governments are a myth to begin with. It seems to be a set of organizations with various agendas and various races, humans included. I hear that at least one of them wants to wipe all life off this planet and repopulate it themselves

[Fresco]

I wonder if we should make a thread about galactic life in general

Consider it done: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/alien_life_in_the_universe-t31181.0.html

[kurtykurt42]

Gravity would make sense of the density concept, perhaps. I'm no physicist but I've studied electromagnetism quite a bit, and I think gravity might be specific to frequency. As in, particles might only exert gravity on particles of a similar frequency. So in effect, an entire object might form on one frequency without interacting with objects on other frequencies

Very theoretical, and it wouldn't imply less or greater gravity on any frequency. I think it's what happens when ghosts phase through walls

Makes sense to me. These are the things the nice angel was telling me on my voyage to the 5th density. Although, I'm not going to go around telling people about higher planes of existence and high gravity... 

The world is flat! 

[personalreality]

The reason that the power structures on this planet wouldn't share knowledge of extra-terrestrial life is really simple.  Our beliefs and behaviors generate our experience of reality, either to a literal degree (our consciousness moves matter into the formations that we experience as life on earth) or in a psychological sense (our beliefs effect our perception of an "objective" reality thereby "creating" our world).  Unfortunately, as a species we are ignorant to this property of our existence and the "powers that be" take advantage of that, very well I might add.  They have manipulated us into creating for ourselves a very limited existence.  While we think we are gloriously free here in the states, we are barely slaves, more like lab rats.  You say, "but we have personal liberty and blah blah blah", and you feel that way because you don't know the possibilities.  Consider for a moment what life would be like here if children were taught how to use their intuitive skills from birth, or taught to have self-compassion which would grow into compassion for others.  These idealistic dreams aren't terribly difficult to achieve, there is no "human nature" to be barbaric and cruel.  We are taught to be that way.  Naturally there are some people who are more predisposed to be dominant and the current paradigm molds that into something violent and selfish.  If on the other hand we existed in a paradigm of self-knowledge (which is my definition of spirituality) that same dominant character would be molded into a benevolent leader.  Think of all the badass, greedy, gang bangers.  In truth, these people are ambitious, they have the charisma that leads people, they have the inter-personal skills to grow and expand socially.  In the right environment that person could be the greatest leader we've ever known.  But it's not like that here.  We're are in a slave camp and we're our own guards. 

What would happen if people knew that this wasn't it, that there was life beyond this planet, that there were ways of life that we've never thought of?  Our whole paradigm of reality would shatter in favor of galactic consciousness.  In an instant, all of our earthly problems could potentially be dissolved.  We would know that life is bigger than this petty stuff we battle over.  It's probably not likely because we are so buried in the brainwashing that we call things like patriotism and religious faith.  We would probably send missionaries to the aliens to convert them to Christianity.  But that's the potential problem.  Allowing us to know of life beyond this planet has the potential to dissolve the paradigm prison that has been so carefully and delicately built around us.

[personalreality]

Kurt,

It would make sense for each density to get smaller as you move up because the frequency of the energy at those levels is higher, meaning that the frequency waves are more compressed.  And, if there gravity is present it would make sense that it would also be increased, like in a black hole.  When the energy is compressed so is the gravity.

I have two questions though.  First, do you think that the increase in gravitational force would be proportional to our density just compressed in a smaller space (so the same force would just appear more intense because it's in a smaller space).  Or is the actual force itself intensified?

Second, I can't quite decide what to do with the imaginal realms.  I mean, I think that you have physical and non-physical; physical, being various density levels, potentially increasing and decreasing infinitely in both directions and non-physical, being mind.  It then makes sense to me that the realms of mind aren't individual events but a collective event.  So, is the realm of mind, the collective, the source of all energy in the density levels?  Is this collective I talk about God?  Or, is this imaginal realm somehow equal to the density levels but on a different angle from our perception?  What is it's nature?  I mean the density levels shouldn't be difficult, like you say, they are essentially our density operating on different applications of physics and mathematics (presumably more advanced, but not beyond comprehension when perceiving from that density).  But what about this collective, the realms of mind?  One would assume that mathematics aren't applicable there.  Maybe because it's the source of all mathematics.  Like using a word in it's own definition, it doesn't work.  It just baffles me.  We use this mind realm every moment of our lives, but what is it and how can we use it in relation to our personal growth and sophistication of consciousness?

[kurtykurt42]

It would make sense for each density to get smaller as you move up because the frequency of the energy at those levels is higher, meaning that the frequency waves are more compressed.  And, if there gravity is present it would make sense that it would also be increased, like in a black hole.  When the energy is compressed so is the gravity.

I have two questions though.  First, do you think that the increase in gravitational force would be proportional to our density just compressed in a smaller space (so the same force would just appear more intense because it's in a smaller space).  Or is the actual force itself intensified?

Yea, that's what I was trying to say. All of the gravity in the 3rd is compressed into a space 7 times smaller in the 4th. Many people when they die (ghosts) move into the 4th to watch their funeral and stuff.  But they can only stay there for about a week or so before they must move into the astral plane. This is also usually with the help of a guide that is supplying them energy.

Second, I can't quite decide what to do with the imaginal realms.  I mean, I think that you have physical and non-physical; physical, being various density levels, potentially increasing and decreasing infinitely in both directions and non-physical, being mind.  It then makes sense to me that the realms of mind aren't individual events but a collective event.  So, is the realm of mind, the collective, the source of all energy in the density levels?  Is this collective I talk about God?  Or, is this imaginal realm somehow equal to the density levels but on a different angle from our perception?  What is it's nature?  I mean the density levels shouldn't be difficult, like you say, they are essentially our density operating on different applications of physics and mathematics (presumably more advanced, but not beyond comprehension when perceiving from that density).  But what about this collective, the realms of mind?  One would assume that mathematics aren't applicable there.  Maybe because it's the source of all mathematics.  Like using a word in it's own definition, it doesn't work.  It just baffles me.  We use this mind realm every moment of our lives, but what is it and how can we use it in relation to our personal growth and sophistication of consciousness?

I'm pretty sure that this energy might come from the galactic center. Each galaxy may have different collective 'consciousness' energy based on the galaxies design, not the Universe, as most people believe.

The spiritual realms seem to use the chakra system to get there. We can travel internally using the chakras and explore what's inside them. For all I know the chakras could store all of the experiences you have had in every one of your past lives for the last 100 million years. Every person you have met, every place you have been to, and everything you have seen.

We are able to learn because I believe many people have incarnated here from other worlds and from higher dimensional planes (fallen angels). They have come to earth in this time to experience the whole 2012 shift in consciousness. For all I know I could have lived in the 5th density for the past million years and learned all of these mathematics and concepts there...

[Fresco]

I did 48 minutes of trance today, I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to exiting

[missym]

lol
omg, I need to finish school 

[personalreality]

missym, Why do you need to finish school?  I mean I get it, but it seems to me to be an awful waste of time and money.  I'm in school for psych and not only has studying what modern psych really is made me hate it but I've learned more about human behavior from watching people and reading books.  I feel like I'm wasting my money.  And the institution itself is collapsing.  I mean, I learn the same thing no matter what class I take these days and the testing/teaching methods are all about regurgitation not learning.  You'd do better to study what you want on your own because you'd actually be passionate about it and would learn it.  Though, if you don't want to do trade work and want to live with the rest of society I guess you kind of have to get a degree.  They should just give it to us though, I mean, I'm pretty much just buying it anyway, why should I have to sit through classes I hate where the teachers just patronize me all the time and the university wastes my money on new athletic centers and statuary around campus, while at the same time all my teachers are complaining about department budget cuts. 

I like that galactic core idea kurt.  I used to be heavy into astronomy and I was so fascinated when the super massive black hole at the center of every galaxy deal was discovered (as for what black holes may be.....maybe a physical connection between astral and here).  Then I read Jose Arguelles' Mayan Factor where he talks about the galactic core and creating a link with it (he also said the original mayans were 'extraterrestrials', I would assume then that they were higher density beings).  I have a talisman that I wear that is the Mayan symbol Hunab Ku which is their symbol for the galactic core, it's also something like the yin-yang symbol (i don't remember what it's really called).  A mayan shaman and elder told me that the next age will be without gender (as in each of the previous 4 ages have alternated female, male, female, male) and that's what the Hunab Ku's yin-yang qualities means.  Kind of irrelevant, but I'm on board with each galaxy being it's own entity in that regard of having it's own collective.

[Anemani]

^^ I am trying to focus in classes so that I can get good grades so that I have a better chance of getting into Full Sail in Orlando when I get out of high school. Well I already make average grades, sometimes above, it is just according to how focused I was at the time. ^^" I can not wait until I get to college though and finally get to learn how to do want I been wanting to know... I wish high school was more focused on our future career, or at least have high schools like that for people who pretty much have an idea what they want to do.

[Anemani]

  I am wondering because this has been happening for a few days while trying to AP. It feels like my are is moving by it self. Like I have it flat on my bed and it feels as though it is turning itself on it side then going back flat and repeats those, but if I try to see if I can get my arm out I just end up moving my whole which will mess it up and make it stop feeling like it is moving by itself, until I put it back down and it start up again. So is this my physical arm or my astral?