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« on: September 08, 2002, 12:22:35 »

I would investigate further.See if its the same guy,er,whatever it is.Ask it how you two came to be and last but not least ask it to show itself for its true being.

As for your husband is concerend,what did you excpect him to say when you mentioned your encounter?
Id keep that stuff to myself knowing all along that if I could put a truth meter to his sex driven imagination then ask questions like "has another women caught your eye,inspiered you desires or appeared in your erotic dreams?"
He would most likely fail the truth part and then you'ld be the jealous onehttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_shock.gif" border=0>
I say its all innocent fun when left only to the imagination or astral body.In the pysical,well,thats a different story in my book.

Look for "Flying without a broom".I still cant recall the woman who wrote it but she goes into detail on this subject.

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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2002, 02:14:27 »

Hi Meg,

I kinda think we are all connected in a very real way --- it's just a matter of tuning into the connection. I think that there is nothing wrong with astral sex provided it isn't interfering with your physical relationships, etc.  I think astral sex is just a direct manifestation of tuning into the connectedness that already exists between yourself and another person.

In other words, I don't think you are 'doing' something when you have astral sex that you  weren't doing before; rather I think you simply tuned into the fact that you were doing it.

Also, on the psychic self defense forum someone posted a similar topic five or six weeks ago. It  is now 4 pages long (I think) and posted by Clarissa (I think.) You'd probably enjoy the read.

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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2002, 10:19:58 »

The way I think of it... It doesn't feel right to go on with it now that I have this awareness of the extent of what's been happening; a face to put to it. And I certainly don't want to do anything that would hurt my fella, irregardless of the "unreality" of it.

However, as Major Tom said, I'm feeling a bit wierd about whether or not my instincts will get the better of me. You could say I'm not 100% certain that I trust myself...which is funny, because I have always been such a commited-relationship person in my "real" life (A Libran!) and I've always liked to think I don't have it in me to cheat. But perhaps it's been some kind of outlet for my dodgier (Scorpio) energies. I think I knew it was happening all along though, at the core of me. I've been dreaming of betrayal a lot the last year or so..In my dreams, I'll have the memory of cheating, and the dream consists of my beating myself up over it.

But it really has been hampering my journey, to some extent. It's a distraction at the least. I remember times when I found myself in some pretty extraordinary places, but I didn't even look around  because I was too busy getting jiggy wit' it. I think even just the SELF-ABSORPTION of my encounters has limited my experience of the astral... I mean, we're talking about a girl that was so wrapped up in her own pleasure, she didn't even bother to look and see who was behind it!!  

The whole situation gives me a yucky taste in my mouth.  I remember early on that it was mostly solo expeditions, shall we euphemistically say... I have this awful image of some anonymous entity rocking up and saying to himself "Hey, I might give her a hand with that". (no pun intended. ho ho ho) I also remember times when I could vaguely sense other entities around me during the encounters... as if I'm the porn star of the Astral World.

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2002, 12:37:30 »

Wow that was you. Great show! Hehehe Just Kidding.

You should not beat yourself up about this. You have just learned something so grow with it. Sexual energies are very powerful, especially when faced with them on the astral. I think that you need to learn to control these energies. If you do you can use them to your advantage on the astral as opposed to allowing them to control your experiences. Try changing it from a physical act to more spiritual and enlightening.

PS I am a Scorpio with alot of Scorpio and Libra. Interesting combo I think.

 
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2002, 19:47:21 »

Hi all.

Intersting, Meg. I think you are on the right track. I view astral sex no different than the real world. And as any number of magick users would tell you, what you create on the astral, manifests on the physical (to a large or small extent). This might explain some of the thought patterns you were devolping.

On to the fun part. Have you approached your husband astrally? Even if he is not a projector, if you are, and approach him while he is asleep, or close, it will be possible. He may or may not remember it (depending on his projectablity), but I bet he would not say no. Especially on the astral.

I have linked up with my wife 600 miles away. Sure beats "sleeping" alone, and as you have found, inhibitions are lessened.

On a different note, you may get pestered for a while from your old "suitors", not realizing you are making a change.

Best of luck.

 
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2002, 09:21:21 »

Yeah, I have thought of that, but I'm not sure how to go about it.  I don't have very much control over things at this stage. My OBE's are pretty much spontaneous (though I can "set the scene" for one).

How do you go about meeting up with your wife? What kind of techniques do you use?

My husband doesn't actually AP but he is very spiritually aware in other ways. I'm pretty sure it would be possible to connect with him that way if I had more of an idea how to do it.

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2002, 15:02:24 »

Hi, Meg.

Hmmm, I will explain how I do it, and maybe that will work for you. First, I am not a projecter in the conventional sense. It seems to be hereditary. I just focus on someone while relaxing. It helps a little if I have a general direction, but if it is someone I have a decent "feel" for, I can find them. Maybe set the scene with both of you in the room, or "go" to him from another room. I would bet with a little practice you would be able to locate your hubby's energy signature. In the begining it would probably help a lot to know where he is.

For us, it was kind of spontaneous. I was missing her, and just wanted to be with her. When I found her, I just settled down to snuggle. We had discussed the possablilites of astral sex before (physically), and we just decided to try it that night. When you find your husband, if he does not immediately react, start stimulating him. Something I noticed, is it is possible to "reach through" your mates astral body, so the stimulation does not need to be limited to the surface. It may take a little work on your part, but even if he does not consciusly project, I bet it will come together quickly. It took about 5 mintues for us to be on equal footing.

Just a thought. With the attention you have attracted, I would make sure you have found your hubby first. Talk, or just enjoy being close (spiritual closeness is a type of ecstacy in itself), before you move on. That way you can be sure.

You seem to have a develped energy, practice "reaching out" to him when you have no other intentions. Like when he is at work, or away somewhere. For me, all I need is a little concentration, but a light to moderate trance works best. Particularly if you have more planned. When you get it dialed in, you could probably set the scene to a special romantic place, and bring him along. Palm trees by the beach, or whatever works for you.

I hope that helps.
Best of luck, let me know if I can clarify anything for you.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2002, 15:15:25 »

OK, more of what you asked for.

When I first started "reaching out" to people, it was like I could sense a pinpoint of there consciouness in a direction. Then I just send my awareness (astral body, whatever it is I send), to that person. I have confirmed this with a few people, about what they were doing at specific times, and if they "felt" me. That could be a good way to practice with your husband. You may even be able to directly project to the spot you find him in. If you are spontaneous, if you have a "hit" on his location, just will yourself there.

The location of people got stronger as I practiced it. Once you have a "hit" on someone, slide your conscious to the spot. For me it is like I send out a rope, or something, and then I can slide my active conscious back and forth along this. You can also locate someone and not go there if you do not want to.
Just reach out and "feel" for him. It will probably be vague at first, but I bet it will develop quickly.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2002, 10:08:41 »

I think I know what you mean when you talk about "reaching out". I wonder if I may have unconsciously done this before?  - when you describe it, I have an almost sensory recognition of what you mean. I am positive I can recognise his "energy signature". Perfect description of it, by the way!

Yes, I most definately need to be aware of who's out there... I did once have a pretty nasty experience where some horrible entity came to me "dressed" as my husband, but it SO wasn't him - When I felt out for that sense of it, all I could feel was its hatefulness. It freaked me out so much that I didn't let myself go anywhere near the astral for ages.

Anyway, thank you so much. I will be experimenting!







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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2002, 07:10:32 »

i'm going to try and summarize this as much as i can.  i wonder, or used to alot, about the whole relationship deal that we have going on here on earth.  i wonder if it's an instinct that we have to want to spend forever w/ someone and want to not have a want to be w/ someone else during that time.  i dont believe it's natural or healthy.  

i understand that we are way above the evolutionary line compared to all of the other animals we have here, however, most of the other ones just mate and move on.  i wonder if the jealousy thing never would have gotten started, and if we were told from the beginning that relationships as we have today were not the way to go, would things be different.. i believe this is something to really think about.  

sex feels good. it's natural to want to do it. it's natural to be promiscuous. especialy w/ numerous people.  i believe that the majority of the population would agree to this.  and the ones that don't would change their mind if they actually thought all of this the whole way through themselves and dismissed everything they've been taught.
 

not too much actually bothers me, nothign ever really has.  i credit it to a pure understanding that i think i hold.  if we all agree to the above, and we all want the person who we are w/ to be happy, then i think it would be natural to understand what makes the other happy and for us to want them to do whatever made them happy. setting aside disease related issues.  if there were no diseases and nothing phsycially detrimental about behaving promiscuously,  then what would be the problem in having sex w/ everyone that you wanted?  

i know most people would say that it was just wrong or something similar, but why?

i've been jealous before. i know how it feels and how overpowering it's influence can be. jealousy can probably move mountains too. i believe i'm past that stage now and am just at a pure understanding stage instead.  it's been tested w/ an ex gf of mine w/ certain situations.  i'm not saying i'm great or even right, but i do think that it's possible that this is right.

i believe that if you want to fully understand something that you should break it down ... all the way to the bare blocks that the foundation is built upon.  i believe that if you break jealousy down all the way you'll see that the foundation that it's built upon is illusory.  it doesnt exist.  we made the whole thing up. i understand that it would be very hard to convince someone that  has been conditioned to think otherwise, to change their minds now.  i don't feel that is a valid enough reason for it to still go on.

 maybe this is comparable to a cigarette poster or something where it shows you that if you keep doing this thing that is nothing but counter-productive, it's only going to lead to bad things.  the poster is understood by everyone and it's point well taken. for whatever the reason,  a smoker goes right back to smoking after have been shown this.

i myself am borderline in beliving  that sex is extremely special and actually lean towards that it should only be shared w/ someone that you hold very high in your eyes. even if this were the way to be, what would be said if  the same feelings that are present when someone is held high in your eyes, were shared w/ 5 others. all genuine.  i say this instead of someone you love because love is such a big word and this would open up a very big can of worms. everyone has their own idea of love.

i believe this jealousy bit holds true in all cases.  if we were as understanding as we could be, then wouldnt it make more sense to be genuinely happy for someone instead of the latter in any situation?

i'm kinda tired and dont have a very good closing for this post but the point is there to be argued i believe.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2002, 10:41:23 »

fredhedd, you bring up some very good points. I do not agree totally with you. I do not think the issue is so much a species thing as it is a personal thing. Putting aside any right or wrong issues, because it seems that you and I do not see this as such, then the issue becomes a personal choice. I strongly think that for some people one partner, marriage and all that is what is needed. I also think for some people a more open relationship might be the better choice. And it may even depend upon the time in our life which choice is best for us personally. The main thing is being open and honest. The wrong comes in when one person is not open with their partners causing hurt and pain. Also being honest with ourself is important.

For me personally, I am a one woman man. I have thought about the issue and have realized that multiple partners is just not for me. It is healthiest and most productive for me to be with just one person. I enjoy the intimacy and stability of being with just one. I like devoting all my energy into this kind of relationship.

Jealousy is pretty much a negative thing. But being devoid of jealousy does not have to mean that you are open to your loved one having multiple partners. If you want to be with just one person and the other wants to be with multiple, then yes you should have enough respect for each other to make each other happy. In this situation the two are clearly not good together because their ideas of a foundation of a relationship is not the same. So it would be best for the two to split up so both can go on the path that makes them happy.

As far as this having to do with how we are raised and taught, I am not so sure because everyone is different and wants different things. But who is to say how things would be if things were different. I just do not see how you can group everyone together saying that this lifestyle is natural and for everyone. It seems to me that if the situation was reversed, you might have more people wanting multiple partner relationships but I still think that you would have those that would want just one partner, and a mix of ideas as well.

Oh and by the way, not all animals just mate and then move on. There are many species that mate for life and live in a family structure.

 
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2002, 13:37:17 »

Fallnangel, I would've made a big fat post in return, but you've already done it for me, and I doubt I've got very much to add!
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2002, 15:19:50 »

Hey, all

Fallnangel, Very well put.

Aa little to add. Meg, you should not, (and I do think you really are) beat yourself up. You realized you were on a path that you did not like, and are doing things about it. There are consequences from what you do on the astral. You were seeing this manifest in your thoughts.

We all have desires or urges that play across are mind, that are not things we would choose. I  have experienced both "sex" and "making love" to someone. There is a big difference between the two. I choose to make love. If anyone does not know the difference, then I hope someday you will find out. I guess I do not care enough about anyone else (other than my spouse)to be able to achieve the same feelings of bonding. This is not to say I don't care for most people, but I do not desire that kind of bond with them.

As for jealousy, it has no place in a true relationship. I view jealousy as an insecurity in yourself, or your relationship. Both can be overcome. Both my wife and I have nights out with our friends, where we do not bring each other along. We usually end up wishing the other was there, but do not sit at home and stress about what might be going on.

Sex, like all things in life is what you make it. If you choose it to be a surface thing, with no connection, that is your choice. But if you have never experienced anything else, maybe you should give that a try to.

Meg, glad to here the location stuff is something that could work for you. Just do what is right for you.

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2002, 22:36:37 »

i agree that it's a personal choice, and probably better as such. i believe that i've made love before and i would also rather every sexual experience i had be that.  i wasnt trying to talk anyone in or out or anything. i just thought that this would be an appropriate place to let that out, so that it could be argued. here maybe is some more to think about. this is not my opinion.. im not sure i have one.. but i very much like discussing things. especially ones that can be so controversial. my friends are all the same way.. if you would see us interact you would swear that we were fighting.  it's just fun to take up the other side to see what comes out of it.

the astral sex from waht i gather isn't love making. i see it as entertainment instead of making love.  i definetly could be wrong about this.  would it be accepted or even likely to be entertained that astral sex should be seperate from love making sex, and that one doesnt necessarily taint the other, in any way?  should or could astral sex be compared to going bowling or something a little more close like a physical massage, in the sense that you are interacting w/ someone else and enjoying the time you are spending together?  if the two participants are anonymous to each other, and both are enjoying themselves, and both return home to their loving spouse, then would that be alright?


even if you are a happily married one man type of woman, or vice versa, these physical urges still manifest themselves in some way or another. maybe not for everyone. i believe that there can be people out there that don't think about anyone else but the person they are w/. obviously they will be excluded from this. the rest of us though, i believe, still will have these urges, content or not w/ our current situation. i believe it's been proven that repressing feelings is unhealthy. would it be better to vent in the astral?


about the foundations of relationships today...if the monagomy isnt agreed upon at one point or another, then would it be plausible that it would make the relationship stronger instead of being detrimental to it?

again, i'm trying to word this delicately by questioning all of these opinions rather than stating them, so as not to open myself up to a barrage of opposing arguments. these are meant for excersizing the mind and maybe opening it up some too. i'm not sure where i stand on any of this. i do realize taht i may be the only one taking up this side though, which i kinda like Smiley
*sigh* ok bring it on.
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2002, 01:49:40 »

Hey, guys.

Kinda drifting off topic and catagory, but these threads seem to do that.

My (and it is limited) experience with astral sex is with my spouse. The way it felt to me, if anything the level of closeness that can be achieved is greater than probably the vast majority of "physical" contact. My position is that there is no real difference between what you do there or physically. It would be the same as going to a town where no one knew your name, and doing as you chose. From my spiritual perspective, the waves generated are in someways farther reaching that what is done in the physical.

In personal experience, even though I am commited to one person, that does not stop me from admiring other women. Not in a rude way, more like one would admire a good work of art. I actually quit "fantasizing" about other women a while ago. In a monogamous relationship, there is still a lot of room to experiment. I actually think one of the downfalls of a lot of couples is stagnation in this area. A lot of people would guess my wife and I are closer to newly weds, than working on a decade together.

MajorTom, I agree with your last paragraph, and think I understand it. I know that my attraction (sexually) to my wife is very rooted in my love for her. I would turn down any supermodel or centerfold in a "never known" opportunity if pitted against her. Making love becomes an expression of this. I have also learned to control the need as needed. Which was good for both of us, as it was proof that the relationship was not rooted in sex.

Now, all that being said, I am not sure that without the experience of this kind of relationship, I would have had the same position. Or not as strongly, anyway. Good discussion.

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2002, 03:00:55 »

This really is a tenuous topic, isn't it?  There aren't enough women pipng up (not that I'm sexist, but then maybe I am as I tend to think that sex as an acceptor must be different than sex as a giver) So I'll just add a few of my thoughts.

1. Our ideas might in part be shaped on what we view as the final destiny of souls. Some systems of thought hold that we join a 'communion' upon death. Retaining a sense of self, but in concert with everyone else, to the point that there is no clear definition between where I end and you begin.

I personally like this system of thought.

Other systems describe afterlife (or all of existence through time) as a progression, of each of us ultimately becoming a creator God in our own right, creating our own worlds and so on. THis kind of scenario inherently seems more given to boundaries between 'me' and 'you.'

Perhaps our ideas about whether astral sex is okay, lies in part with whether we think we will all be 'together again' someday (as I happen to think) or not.

2. My other thought about it is that sex is such a big word too - You talk of making love vs having sex, but there are lots of variations beyond that.

Astral sex in my mind, isn't some sort of rutting animal sort-of-thing. It is instead allowing oneself to be intimate and open, in an environment where real intimacy is pretty easy. I have had some bizarre experiences all over the board, but none of them were negative. They all make me feel much more alive, and connected, and hopeful. Like the barriers between us really ARE illusory.

Maybe we are talking about apples and oranges here - Maybe I don't have a clue about what is meant by astral sex.   It sounds like we are all coming at this from different perspectives, so it is good that we are able to discuss it without getting into right or wrong.

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2002, 11:47:47 »

Hey, Patty.

Intersesting perspectuve(s).

I guess I do not think of woman as neccesarily receptive. They probably are by design, as from all indications the male transfers more energy to the female. I kinda of think it depends on who (if either) take the lead role. I kind of think of it generally as a mutual sharing of energy, but have had some experiences that are definately one way or the other.

I guess that the idea of soulmates is the one I adhere to. I have been told that my wifes soul and my own have been linking up in lifetimes for over 400 years. The person that told me this new a lot of other things, also. It also works with my belief that souls tend to group up through time. Probably not in the same "roles", but together anyway.

The barrier theory is good. I have never thought about it in regards to sex, but think it is one of the things man needs to achieve to keep moving up. The removal of barriers. I kind of think sex probably goes away when one is able to be one with the creator. But I think it gets replaced by the ecstacy of being able ot be truly one with each other. Which (to us) can be as fulfilling and more so than sex. It seems to take care of even deeper desires/fulfillment.

Nice to see a womans opinion

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2002, 12:21:38 »

Sex, be it on the physical, astral, or any other plane, is what you make of it. It can be purely for surface physical pleasure, for control, to cause pain, to express love, to bond, for spiritual enlightenment, or whatever you can think of. If you go to the astral to just "get off" then that is how you will experience it. If you go to the astral for some kind of bonding, loving experience then that is what you will experience. The same applies on the physical, though it can be different and more reliant upon your partner.

The error lies in the idea that when we go to the astral, or any other plane, we are no longer ourself, as if we are entering a virtual reality that is not real. The truth is that we are ourself on all planes. What we think and do effects us in some way. I find it very unlikely that one could be the typical perfect loving mate on the physical and be a sex crazed freak with infinite partners on the astral. Your astral self is still you. It is who you are. The difference is that on the astral you are not limited to the restraints that you are on the physical. You may not have to deal with disease, what others think, or a vengeful spouse on the astral, but you still have to deal with yourself on all planes. In other words, you might see it as going to the astral to release some sexual tension, but you are also feeding these urges. You are going to the astral and thinking thoughts of others. So when you return to the physical you are still going to be thinking thoughts of others. So if you are having a problem with wanting other people other than your partner, acting on these feelings on any plane is not going to solve the problem. You need to deal with why you are feeling this and how you can change those feelings and desires to fit into what you are wanting.
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2002, 14:53:13 »

Well put, fallnangel.

Of course, that could open up a corner of your mind that many do not want to face. I have, and will probably continue to deal with that my whole life. It is not generally the most fun thing to do. But you learn a lot about yourself. And the spiritual growth from it is amazing.

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2002, 18:44:53 »

Robert Monroe is only one of many respectable, informed individuals who has stated that sexual contact in the astral, can be sort of a barrier to those who want to reach and explorer highe levels.  I am not saying it is easy to avoid these encounters, but I beleive it is necessary in order to progress beyond the lower levels.



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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2002, 00:57:04 »

Cut-and-paste Fallnangel's last post, and there you have my opinion, pilgrims!

Good thread . . .



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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2002, 16:43:08 »

Same for me!

It's interesting to note that when I came to see the encounters as "real" - through starting to research more about astral projection - I was able to become more aware about what was happening, ie. actually had dialogue with the guy. In the past, they weren't real to me - I suppose I saw them as dreams (while being very careful not to think about it too much!) and just let loose with all my sexuality.

(In regard to my first post about this, you know what is funny? That when he said it was him "most of the time", I knew exactly which times he meant. I know when it's been him and when it hasn't; I am even aware of the "sensation" of calling him. I can't get over my naivety! Ah, all in the name of progress, right?)

And I think that's the difference. Now I know the "realness" of it, I just can't go back to doing it and deliberately be unfaithful to my husband. It's not the same as having fleeting fantasies about a movie star or something, its altogether a different story. You know what, though? For all of that, I haven't wavered in my commitment to him in the physical world... I've never really had much attraction to other men while in relationship, and I still don't. I think that the effects of my dalliances have come out in other ways, like the dreams I mentioned before. Which affect things between us none-the-less.

Thanks, guys.

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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2002, 11:08:52 »

This is for Ides315... Guess what? I made contact with my husband last night! I woke up with paralysis about 4am and went from there into OBE. He was right beside me in bed, so locating him was not a problem! I remember hovering above him in my astral body, and touching his face. In the morning he asked me had I projected last night, because he remembered a point during the night when he became conscious without waking, and felt me close by (not physically) There you go, its a start. YAY!

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2002, 17:33:55 »

Hey, Meg.

Congradulations! Sounds like he will remember things, as they happen. Good for both of you. It also sounds like this will allow you to explore the astral more. You never know, you may be able to bring him with you as you explore the astral. Good luck to both of you. Keep me posted. Uh, more-or-less. wink

 
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2002, 18:18:38 »

Hi Meg!

Congratulations on your success if finding your hubby while OBE ... and you didn't have to go far either!

Since your husband was right beside you in bed, are you referring to his physical body or astral body?  If it was his astral body, was it synced (aligned) with his physical body or was it slightly floating above his physical body while he was asleep?  Did he have any immediate response to your touching his face?  This is all interesting, please let us know!

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