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Cantfly
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« on: November 19, 2015, 13:44:53 »

Hi all

Just wanted to start by saying I am pretty new to all this and really just looking to see what other experienced folk think

About 3 years back I had a crazy 6 months/year where I would have sleep paralysis. And in this sleep paralysis I would always panic and scream because I always felt a dark presence approaching. However on one night was different. I was laying on my back entered sleep paralysis and didn't panic, then a small dark fuzz ball With a big mouth and teeth appeared on my chest, right in front of my face. It looked exactly like the dog out of the despicable me film. Anyway all it did was growl in my face, and as it was growling I was vibrating like crazy. This unfortunately led me to panic/scream again and I eventually broke out of the paralysis and woke up.

Since that experience I have never had any sleep paralysis problems since. So I am curious, was I on the doorstep of having a OBE? Was that a spirit there to prevent me from entering their world?, Maybe for my own good or another reason?or was it trying to help me project as it was the only thing to get me to the vibration stage? Is that the same spirit I felt in all my other sleep paralysis episodes?

Thanks guys
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 14:25:38 »

 Hello Cantfly and Welcome!  smiley

 It sounds like your high self/spirit guide/s gave you 6 months to a year to overcome your fear. But unfortunately you didn't and the experiences stopped when the conclusion was made that you weren't ready to experience the "other realms/non physical realities" consciously aware at that time.

 Had you have realized what was happening and seen the SP through, you would have "awoken" to incredible new levels and realms of adventure.

 We have all had the "fear tests". But you must overcome them to proceed further. I personally experience SP often and still to this day I am tested. Just last week I became aware during a spontaneous SP episode and saw what looked like a white blob in front of me. This blob morphed into a scary face. I looked at it and laughed inside and thought "Nice try, lol". I then had a full exit from my body and found myself in a RTZ (real time zone) scenario.

 Here is a link that explains the entire phenomenon of Sleep Paralysis in great detail.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/everything_you_could_ever_want_to_know_about_sleep_paralysis-t38734.0.html

 
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 14:37:40 »

Thanks for the reply

Will they ever 'test' me again? Does everybody get a chance to be tested?
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2015, 10:51:33 »

Will they ever 'test' me again? Does everybody get a chance to be tested?
I don't know. That's between you and your higher self to decide. I would say though that coming here and trying to learn more about this phenomenon is a step in the right direction.  wink

 Yes, I think everyone get tested. I feel that Sleep Paralysis is likely responsible for almost all of the Demons and Aliens at the end of the bed episodes that you hear so much about. People awaken with the inability to move and then their fear takes over. That's why Forums like this are so valuable. They teach people not only about the phenomenon itself, but how to respond to it when it occurs as well.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2015, 11:26:42 »

I generally agree with Lumaza on this, though I may differ on some of the details and nuances of what happens, it is likely just a difference of our personal experiences and interpretations, and this interpretational element is the over-riding part of everyone's experiences; at this point, I'm not aware of any better or more specific opinions; either way it is still just conjecture...which is nonetheless educationalmand valuable.

Having been through many SP episodes myself, and realizing they are tests of a sort, the internal, almost autonomic 'fight or flight' response is my first conclusion because the images/sensations that challenge us seem either so primal or so individualized to each of us that it seems obvious to me that the material is drawn/extracted from our individual subconscious, each episode in fact tailored to our own predilections for fearful responses.

Maybe it is a simple, limbic system kind of 'fight or flight' reaction that keeps us centered within our physical body. A second possibility is that it is a direct challenge to our psyche to make the step into the OBE experience or the Non-Physical experience, however you may choose to describe it. This may be a challenge designed by purely inner biological/spiritual/personal forces or it might be imposed by some outside force. I am still undecided on this and am open to the idea that it may be a bit of both.

To me, the diversity and far-ranging possibilities of human experience are SO great that, at this point, I am pretty much open to anything...Lol.

The idea that the SP fear test is just a bio kind of thing, a leftover 'checking mechanism', and why it persists for me, is that I question why veteran experiencers such as Lumaza, others or even myself, still get them from time to time...I mean sometimes they catch me out (and I fail) or I am left thinking, Why did that need to happen? Maybe it is just designed to keep us on our toes...Lol.

Like Lumaza said, ask your higher self.  grin Minus the joking, it can be just that simple: make the request in a simple, respectful fashion. You might be surprised at the response.

You say that you are new to this Cantfly...my best advice is to stay open to everything, including the humor that is a subtle undercurrent to the whole thing. It is frustratingly brilliant!
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2015, 12:47:14 »

 As usual, very eloquently put EscapeV!
    
Having been through many SP episodes myself, and realizing they are tests of a sort, the internal, almost autonomic 'fight or flight' response is my first conclusion because the images/sensations that challenge us seem either so primal or so individualized to each of us that it seems obvious to me that the material is drawn/extracted from our individual subconscious, each episode in fact tailored to our own predilections for fearful responses.
 
  Maybe it is a simple, limbic system kind of 'fight or flight' reaction that keeps us centered within our physical body. A second possibility is that it is a direct challenge to our psyche to make the step into the OBE experience or the Non-Physical experience, however you may choose to describe it. This may be a challenge designed by purely inner biological/spiritual/personal forces or it might be imposed by some outside force. I am still undecided on this and am open to the idea that it may be a bit of both.
I believe that our "fear scenarios" are tailor made to challenge us personally. Who better to know what pushes our buttons then ourselves. But, there seems to be a lot of things in common that people are experiencing. Demons and Extraterrestrials seem to top that list. Could it be because of what we are constantly viewing via television and movies, maybe? Our beliefs also are a driving force here. Just look at what occurred with "the Old Hag" syndrome amongst the Hmong men.  

 
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The idea that the SP fear test is just a bio kind of thing, a leftover 'checking mechanism', and why it persists for me, is that I question why veteran experiencers such as Lumaza, others or even myself, still get them from time to time...I mean sometimes they catch me out (and I fail) or I am left thinking, Why did that need to happen? Maybe it is just designed to keep us on our toes...Lol.
My answer to why we are still experiencing this now is that we have chosen to teach and help others learn about the "non local states of consciousness", whether they are by OBE, Phasing or LDs. So, by keeping it fresh in our minds we really understand and have empathy for what new members are experiencing themselves. My SP episodes normally lead to a full exit from my body. I am in the RTZ for a very short time, just long enough to get out my patio window. But then from there I am in another realm. I have tried to slow the "path" down so I can see if it's a interpretation of my RTZ room and home, but I haven't had any luck with that yet. Last night I awoke in SP, my legs felt like they were rising, but then the episode ended. I think I was "too aware" if that's possible.

 I have had False Awakenings though and in those I have found reality fluctuations.

 But like you, I still haven't come to a final conclusion about what any of this is. Just when I think I am beginning to get a clue, I find out I know nothing and am back to searching again.  

  
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2015, 14:14:21 »

Thanks again for your helpful replies

I wouldn't say I am naturally a very spiritual person, but I certainly don't rule out any possibilities. This stuff is interesting to me because I've endured very vivid dreaming most of my life. If I get SP again, which I feel I will, hopefully I can be better prepared. I also have reoccurring nightmares with the same spirit precense, so maybe I can use this knowledge to try and relax even during these episodes.

In my limited experiences in SP and nightmares, I always feel a precense approaching me but never see it. So I always interpreted it to be evil. And as you stated people associate evil with images they may have seen on TV.  So I always thought it was a alien approaching me. But when I actually saw it for the first time on my chest it was nothing like that. My understanding has grown and hopefully I won't be fearful of it now
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2015, 12:35:07 »

In my limited experiences in SP and nightmares, I always feel a precense approaching me but never see it. So I always interpreted it to be evil.
...and there lies the problem. In the state of SP any presence period is normally perceived as a threat. That's what really kicks on the natural "fight or flight" impulse. The only way to counter this is to be "in the know" The problem is, there aren't a lot of people that are in the know about this subject in general.

 Just listening to the night time Paranormal Radio shows proves this to be true. There are sooooooooooooooooo many times when I hear a caller describe a classic SP episode as some kind of Demonic attack. I then await the show's host to set them straight. But that's not good for business. Fear sells!  evil
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2015, 18:41:03 »

The fear may simply be that you are having a dual awareness. The concious you and the sleeping body are sensed sort of the telepathically. As most people haven't had this is experience it creates fear and then it runs away with all sorts of morbid thoughts running the show.
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