New member here, astral projecting. :Dy

[Contenteo]

Be careful on definitions here. Remember we are dealing with a completely intangible realm.

Manifesting is that act of becoming palpable.

Remember that your entire astral experience is 'thought energy.'
We are intangible beings having a physical experience, not physical beings having an intangible experience."
- Thomas Campbell

Your emotions and intents are as palpable as the air you feel around you right now.
Or better yet, the body you can touch right now.

You make 'change' with your body through intent, it is simply constrained by the physical. Such a constraint does not exist in the astral. The constraint is now rather Intent itself.
Xanth made a brilliant amendment to add additional clarity, but intent is not necessary, such as in the case of a nightmare. Your thoughts and emotions become your body.

This is why in a F21 experience (a experience that happens within you) is wholly what you make it. This F21 state becomes you astral body when you enter higher levels. Thus the rules change slightly.


Cheers,
Contenteo

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

[Rudolph]

Xanth made a brilliant amendment to add additional clarity, but intent is not necessary, ...

    "Brilliant" as long as you invalidate the only significant addition he introduced?!

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

[Stookie_]

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

Yeah, I gotta go with Rudolph on this one. IMO this is where it's important to have very clear thinking and intent, because it's extremely easy to be deceived and get caught up in deception/illusion and never get beyond the astral. I question just about everything I encounter and look at it in terms of symbolism or being relative to something else.

[Anonymouse]

Hi everyone again.

I have done some attemps lately. Things are going better since I don't rush it anymore. I mostly get deep deep breaths, and feel all the air inside me. I usually see my self (not see, but I feel my self) being at high hill, by a tree, feeling the air mostly. Which is a great sensation. While in this state, my vision started to change, and I started to see clearer in that darkness of eyes closed. It's hard to describe.

Also, I don't know if it's my mind playing tricks on me but I have had some LD in the past. But since I got them, all my dreams are very simple and ordinary, so there is basically nothing I can recall as part of a dream, ergo I can't wake up in that dream. It's pretty funny how mind works, now that I know I can wake up on my dreams, my dreams get as linear as waking up, drinking up some coffee, and going back to bed  .

Last night, after realxing my self, and getting into that awake dreaming state, I decided to just go to sleep, so I laid in my side to get to sleep. But right when I got in my side, I started to spin madness, more than ever, I was seeing tat wheel again, fill with lights. I let my self go, and the spins got faster and faster and faster, to a point I was feeling very very dizzy. It was pretty cool, but I was so exhausted (I stayed in bed, doing energy work and realxing my self for over an hour), that the feeling faded away, and I fall asleep.


My way of seing life is chaning. I'm seeing everything more clear, and I can see now how my way of thinking was before I actually awake. I usually get this urge to go outside, and just enjoy the sun, the sand, the wind and I actually follow it pretty often. I've seen "eyes" when I close my own, or a single eye sometime, very very very clear. It's pretty amazing.

I play music, and my way of playing it has also changed, I can let my self go, and I can tell you it goes smooth. I used to get this "god I'm not doing this right" before, that has disappeared now.

I can say I'm happy, in a very different way I thought happiness was all about.


Thanks for reading, replying, or anything. And excuse my english, I still mess the verbs quite a lot.

Take care!

[Lionheart]

 Congratulations my friend, it looks like you are truly finding your "inner peace". Conscious Astral travel changes you and your beliefs in many ways. But it is all a personal thing. That is the reason time and time again I tell people not to undertake this until they feel they are ready for this change in their lives. I read about people that just want to try it for fun and that's there choice. But when you open yourself up to it 100% and really focus on it, it will become you! 

[Anonymouse]

You couldn't be more right. Thanks you for the kind words

[Contenteo]

Congrats. 

It is so cool how that occurs. I can remember the days when I was going through that change. Sleeping is never just sleeping anymore. And it only gets better.

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.


This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

Ok, illusion, disolution and perception are all the same thing. What I was addressing was entities lying to one another. It can't happen. You are what you intend. You wear your intent like a scarlet letter in the astral. In addition, there is no scarcity. There is no material. There is no materialism. There is no reason to decieve or lie to one another.

The only deception I have ever witnessed was other entities playing practical jokes on me because they realized I was some n00b human projector. No ill intent, just fun. We are talking about a realm of PUL here. Personifying human nature into this realm is not sound logic. It's causal reasoning and has it's fair set of fallacies.

Much PUL,
Contenteo

[3toedsloth]

I started to hear a "zzzzmmm"

Sounds to me like you're reaching the vibration stage without much difficulty. You should know just reaching this stage is generally one of the hardest parts!

The next step is for you to relax and let go. Try to be happy about reaching that stage, it's a major accomplishment! You need to be able to let go of any fear you have when you're in that stage. It WILL prevent you from advancing. Think of it this way- the WORST that can happen is you wake up. That being the case, what is their to fear?

For me, once i realized this was the gateway to projection, I no longer felt any fear. Now when I hear the buzzing I generally have to try and quell my excitement because that will snap me back. I've actually woke myself up laughing and smiling with excitement once while I was in this stage!

You're doing fantastic, and you're SO CLOSE! Keep working at it and keep us posted!

[Rudolph]

Ok, illusion, disolution and perception are all the same thing.

That is not true.

Perception from the Atmic position beyond duality is outside of the realm of Illusion. But most APers do not even know what this is much less have any experience of it.

What I was addressing was entities lying to one another. It can't happen.

Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

In addition, there is no scarcity. There is no material. There is no materialism. There is no reason to decieve or lie to one another.

Well, there is definitely a scarcity of Truth. And there is plenty of "material" and plenty of materialism. The astral material is much 'finer' than physical but it is still astral 'material'. There are all sorts of reasons to deceive and it goes on practically non-stop in the astral realm.

Personifying human nature into this realm is not sound logic. It's causal reasoning and has it's fair set of fallacies.

That is like saying "a pitcher throwing a ball to the first baseman is not sound logic". Of course it is sound logic. APers project their human nature all the time. It is exceedingly common. It is all part of the game.


(maybe this should be moved to the 'philosophy' section?)

[Xanth]

Even with that edit/rephrase it still isn't true.

Lots of people Think the Thought and formulate intent to go somewhere like the Akashic Records for example, but they do not go there. Many people can't go through closed doors or walls, despite thought and intent to do so.

You're not understanding what "Intent" is then.

Intent...
It's the difference between intending to move your hand, and actually moving your hand.
You can intend to move your hand as much as you want, but it won't do anything until you actually MOVE your hand.  The act of moving your hand is you placing the Intent.  It's what occurs a fraction before the action. 

I hope that made some sense.  LoL

Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

Let's consider for a second the possibility of "why" people get "deceived" in the non-physical in this manner.

I think they choose to be deceived, whether consciously or subconsciously, because they're hoping for something greater for themselves (EGO).

If you're really "open" and gearing towards a lower entropy position for yourself, I'm in full agreement with Contenteo, you can't be deceived in the non-physical.   
His assessment that you "wear your intent like a scarlet letter in the astral" is, in my experience, most accurate.  It's the energy you put out that tells all about your Intent. 

Although, I will give you that it could potentially take someone some time and experience to figure that out first.  A lot of newbies have a couple or a few experiences then begin to base truths off those miniscule events.  Hence you end up with the noobs swallowing it whole phenomenon you mentioned.  Those "noobs" are choosing to be deceived... they're not being objective because they're letting their ego get in the way.

[Contenteo]

Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

Yes, yes, you are correct from an Atmic POV, but by the time that POV becomes relevant, we would be outside the realm of illusion, in essence dead, enjoying the full amenities of an astral afterlife.

So for right now, here on the physical, perception and misperception(illusion, disillusion) are both he same thing because you are dealing with a in series information stream and a singular given interpretation. The physical is a buffer in between our perception and other perceptions that link us to the oneness. Of course deception exists here oon the physical. Whether the information is true or not does not matter, nor does the interpretation, either way, it is how you understand the world surrounding you that molds your beliefs. Your mental models are what you share and what you base your intent from.

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Mass confusions occurs because these teachers enter livelihood of teaching this stuff. You cannot teach this and make money and be right in our current infrastructure.
- I personally hate most people selling books on this subject. Even Monroe pisses me off when I see him trying to make money off hemisync, but alas, that is the fallacy of taking a stance. You position becomes rigid. It is the conundrum of all positions. You must take one and defend it. Thus, one can never give the whole picture.
- We don't have a holistic picture of what is really going on yet. He have a bunch of really good hypothesizes. We are damn close, but not dead on. Of course confusion if going to happens. But in this time of confusion, simplicity is our best friend.

In this way you can see why in a realm of oneness deception does not exist, and thus because one cannot hide their true intent, emotions instantly manifest themselves when in the lower astral planes. you are what you think.

For reference:
Quote from Atmic site:

Form/Structure:
The Atmic body is a radiation from a central point that is unified with the One-Life that envelopes and surrounds the earth; animating, perceiving through, acting through all living creatures on all levels of existence (Buddhic, Manasic, Causal, Mental, Astral, Etheric, Physical) on the earth.

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Remember why we call it phasing in the first place Rudy. Monroe was an electrical engineer and the phenomenon was most akin to that of phase voltage differential. Two voltages on the same circuit. independent, but intertwined. As is our consciousness.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Rudolph]

Yes, yes, you are correct from an Atmic POV, but by the time that POV becomes relevant, we would be outside the realm of illusion, in essence dead, enjoying the full amenities of an astral afterlife.

No. That's not how it works. It appears that you completely misunderstand the relationship between these worlds and realms of Consciousness.

There is no "astral afterlife" in the Eternal sense. There is an Astral transition.

The Astral realm is a material Universe with a Temporal element -- both much finer and more elusive than the physical, yet far more like the physical World than anything remotely resembling a Truly Eternal Atmic Reality and Awareness.

[Xanth]

No. That's not how it works. It appears that you completely misunderstand the relationship between these worlds and realms of Consciousness.

There is no "astral afterlife" in the Eternal sense. There is an Astral transition.

The Astral realm is a material Universe with a Temporal element -- both much finer and more elusive than the physical, yet far more like the physical World than anything remotely resembling a Truly Eternal Atmic Reality and Awareness.

Are you two really complaining that each others opinions are incorrect?

They're wonderful metaphors... both of them.  But in the end, they're both still opinion. 
Neither is known to be correct... or incorrect for that matter.

[Rudolph]

Are you two really complaining that each others opinions are incorrect?

They're wonderful metaphors... both of them.  But in the end, they're both still opinion. 
Neither is known to be correct... or incorrect for that matter.

No.

Someone might incorrectly refer to the tires on a car as wheels. It might be a common error but it does not change the fact that the wheels and the tires are two different things.

It is not a matter of opinion.

[Xanth]

No.

Someone might incorrectly refer to the tires on a car as wheels. It might be a common error but it does not change the fact that the wheels and the tires are two different things.

It is not a matter of opinion.

Let's take a quick look at what you said then...

No. That's not how it works. It appears that you completely misunderstand the relationship between these worlds and realms of Consciousness.

And you *DO* understand those relationships?
So that means that you know "how it works" then?
I'm waiting to hear this awesome, 100% solid, verifiable proof of this that isn't just your opinion?

There is no "astral afterlife" in the Eternal sense. There is an Astral transition.

Again, where's your proof?  I'm not exactly going to just take your word for it that there is "no astral afterlife in the eternal sense".  This is your opinion.

The Astral realm is a material Universe with a Temporal element -- both much finer and more elusive than the physical, yet far more like the physical World than anything remotely resembling a Truly Eternal Atmic Reality and Awareness.

Again, this is pure speculation and simply your opinion. 
That is, unless you have some proof to back this up.

So yes, it's a matter of "opinion"... unless, as I pointed out, you have some ground breaking, physical life altering proof of what you speak of. 
Which you don't, and can't... since it's only your opinion.