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« on: June 03, 2003, 10:17:12 »

Hello Zebrima
Interesting dream, I dont know if you can astral phase  but it would be worth a try. keep us updated .
The only planet I've seen while attempting astral projection had dark green rolling clouds.As I pasted  my vision was not as clear as my astral visions usely are, although not my imagination but not as vivid. I do have one question about the tenth planet, if it is in a large orbit around our sun how is life mantained in deep space without warmth from the sun ?
Think deep, fly high [Smiley]
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2003, 16:21:38 »

Life will find a way.

Life doesn't have to conform to Earth's standard. Why do so many people (especially scientist) think it does?
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2003, 17:58:04 »

Because they don't like different things that would be hard to explain. Did this woman have a name? If she didn't and you see her again, could you ask her? Other people might be able to call her like they call guides and we could create a conglomeration of information.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2003, 18:38:05 »

about 10 years ago I had a dream in which saturn came REALLY close to earth.so close that the rings were in earths atmosphere.I know it was ten years ago,but it's very similar,and considering it's 2000 year orbit,the dream was still very timely.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2003, 18:41:20 »

You'd be surprised at how unlikely 'intelligent biological' life can evolve on none Earthlike planets, bacterial life such as fungi, or viral life is of course a fact on none earthlike planets but to say intelligent life can evolve on other classes of planets is far fetched - Oxygen is one of the greatest requirements for the evolution of multicelled organisms.
Of course though, you have to realise, that when people say earthlike, they dont mean 100% Earthlike.
So long as the planets atmosphere contains a sufficient quantity of oxygen and the temperature isnt hot enough to melt metal or too cold then life can evolve but not necessarily into intelligent life, the probability of it happening within a same solar system is also highly improbable.
In this dimension anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2003, 19:20:22 »

this looks like a job for... me!! its AWESOME that she told you not to worry, that's really good news for mankind [Cheesy]

yes, there IS a tenth planet in our solar system. buy the 12th planet by zecharia sitchin. this will fill you in enough to satisfy you, i promise [Wink]

the woman you saw may very well have been from that 10th planet, called nibiru (NI.BI.RU) by the sumerians ("planet of crossing"). it was called the planet of crossing because it's orbit is like that of a comet, very elliptical. it was knocked towards our system from either andromeda or sirius (sirius being the more likely of the two) from an force unknown, to us, at least. the alien 'grays' are also from the sirius system, though their homeworld was destroyed by war, and as they have lived in space for very vast amounts of time, they have been evolving to fit that environment: no bones, just a jelly-like mass of organs. so they abduct us for 'purer' sirius dna.

the tenth planet was known to the sumerians, because the last time it came around, the sumerians were still around, and they wrote about the experience (nibiru challenges the sun, jupiter fears it, the earth quakes, activation of volcanoes, etc., etc.) the annunaki ("those who from heaven to earth came", sumerian") came before their planet was due for its perihelion, and started a colony on earth. this was the first civilization, sumer. they soon set up another civilization in egypt, and later in the indus valley. they took primitive men and created a hybrid of themselves and primitive man, and called it the 'adama', or man, i believe, in sumerian (god made man in his own image) and set them the adama and other now modern men to work the daily tasks (god made adam work in the garden of eden..). the new humans learned quickly, however, and started dressing like their more divine, alien counterparts, and started speaking and acting like them, too (eating from the tree of knowledge). the humans were given more rights, and were no longer used strictly as slaves for forced labor, as would be the humane thing to do. eventually, as problems among the annunaki themselves became serious, the annunaki taught the humans how to farm (sudden neolithic revolution) and set up their own kingdoms (sudden 'birth' of civilization, though it had already been around as set up by the annunaki, only mostly wiped out by the great flood, which is a different story..).

thats how they set things up here. ever time they come around, they do something to us. most of the time they give us information (first homo sapiens, neolithic revolution, etc.), but the last time around, they nearly wiped us out with the great biblical flood. an ice age was ending, but the ice caps were still frozen over, the gravity of nibiru would surely pull them off into the ocean, causing massive tsunamis. the annunaki decided to let us parish, nibiru was approaching and they had to return at its perihelion or else be stranded for many thousands of years, and they wanted to 'clean up'. we were becoming 'evil' and 'corrupted' anyway, because some of the annunaki were having sex with the more primitive humans. the only reason we survived was that one of the annunaki, sumerian enki (EN.KI: "lord of earth") told one of his faithful followers of the disaster to come, and told him to build a submersible ship that can hold him, his family, his workers, and his farm animals for a good while (of course, this was against the will of his fellow astronauts). after the land was fertile, the 'gods' (the term 'gods' was not used by the sumerians, they did not see the annunaki as gods. the term 'gods' came around during the years of paganism, which only echoed sumerian and egpytian 'mythology'.)

thats a little info on the planet and the people from it.. there's tons more in sitchin's books. there's a link to his website on my profile. sitchin.com. this should interest you. it interested me that the woman told you not to worry. there's at least going to be *some* survivers of what's to come, and maybe no one will be harmed at all.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2003, 19:33:30 »

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You'd be surprised at how unlikely 'intelligent biological' life can evolve on none Earthlike planets


hephaestus, you'd be surprised how *easily* life can evolve. you're under the spell of modern science. it is believed that all live requires oxygen, food, space, etc. it was also thought, until recently, that all life needed sunlight, too, until we found those underwater colonies of weird blind fish and plants that lived off of thermal heat.

robert bruce has even reported astral wildlife, and people experience negs all the time. is this not intelligent life? and it does not require oxygen or food, or at least the kind of food we think of. according to science, these astral beings can't exist.

here's the facts:

the only planet we know of for sure that has evolved life, is earth. therefore all of our experiences with life in the universe are based on this planet. science is such that it doesn't allow you to say "well, maybe there are more kinds of life than what is here on earth" without solid proof. obviously, we wouldn't know yet, since our space technology is severely limited. we're only now beginning to explore our neighboring planet mars from the surface.

also, there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world combined. this, science has determined, and is therefore, relatively obvious. suppose every star or system of stars has planets. maybe just 1 or 2 planets. do you have any idea how many planets that is? and we only know of the ones in our system, and closeby systems that have big enough planets to see.

so no one knows. we don't even have the experience with alien life to *comprehend* what can and can't be done in the vast universe we live in. we're just exploring a corner of our own room, without knowing much about the rest of the house, and much less of our neighboring galaxies. science says its unlikely for intelligent life to evolve, because it needs proof for otherwise. yet here WE are, not knowing much about space anyway. we must be *really* lucky, huh? scientists (without the aid of the scientific method, or course) have showed how life can evolve even without the element carbon, of which every life form on earth is based on. they've shown on discovery how simple life can evolve from silicon..

be more open-minded towards life.
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2003, 19:46:44 »

Nibiru, AKA Planet X, was supposed to arrive in May this year, according to several mediums, and at least one APer I know from another forum.

Take a look on usenet for zetatalk, and find out the gigantic flop when it never arrived.. says it all..
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2003, 19:49:06 »

those sources have nothing to do with zecharia sitchin, whom i get my details from. like nay has said, there've been tons of 'end of the world' and such prophecies that have spanned all these last few years.

2012. 2012 is the date to look for, either for a perihelion, first sighting, etc. not really that soon, but soon enough.

as for the zeta site, those guys are full of crap. i would just stop visiting that site altogether.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2003, 07:54:00 »

Hi,

I'm sorry I didn't get the woman's name, but I will try to contact her again and maybe I´ll be able to get some more information then. I will keed you updated!
Thank you for the advice about Stichin's book and homepage,it seems really interesting!

Although she said we don't have to be afraid I got a slightly creepy feeling and somehow didn't trust her 100 %. I'm not saying she was lying, but I got the feeling that the return of the planet won´t be easy and it will test, challenge and affect us and the earth in many ways - both good and bad, but for a good cause. She didn't actually tell me this, though, that was just a feeling I got.

She was good to me, but somehow I felt like she was a bit proud. She looked me straight in the eyes, smiling, and I felt like she was somehow "checking" me up. Her pupil suddenly expanded until it almost covered the whole iris. I got a bit shocked, but continued staring at her and this surprised her a bit. I remember that I tried to make my own pupil expand as well, but I don´t know if I succeded. Maybe I did, and that was why she got surprised. I have no idea what all this meant.

Anyway, I will keed you updated and let you know if I get any more information about her or the return of the planet!

Love and light,
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2003, 10:44:58 »

people have been worried about what the annunaki will do this next time around, whether they will help us or hurt us. a lot of prophecies point to not a total extinction of man, but a good amount of people are lost (1/3 to 2/3). overcrowding is a major issue here on earth, especially since we don't have enough for every single person.
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2003, 19:22:55 »

You have apparently picked up the planet X fantasy.
 This was invented by Zechariah Sitchin, from reading ancient tablets
 that he thought indicated the presence of another planet in ancient
 times.

 This was then woven into a schizophrenic fantasy by Nancy Lieder of
 Zetatalk.com, a fantasy in which she imagines herself to be
 receiving telepathic communications from Grey Aliens, describing
 the approach of the planet. Fortunately her fantasy is full of very
 specific astronomical misinformation, which enables us to determine
 that there is no truth in it at all. I can do astronomical
 calculations, and her figures are impossible. There is no planet X
 approaching.

 According to Nancy's information, it should now be more visible than Venus.
 The world's amateur astronomers have been watching for it, there is
 nothing there, and they have been snickering and laughing on
 badastronomy.com. I believe some pictures sent to Nancy of this red
 planet have been hoaxed to yank her chain.

 What interests me is where you got this dream from. If you had the
 dream after you looked for planet X on the internet, then you
 merely wove what you read into a dream. But if you had the dream
 before you knew about planet X, then that would be interesting
 because it could suggest that you accessed the fantasy during
 sleep, or whatever your experience was. I am interested in the
 question of false information in the great beyond, and this would
 be an interesting case of it. I think the great beyond is full of
 false information, and Nancy has provided me with a really solid case
 of it.

 In other words, if our dreams or astral travel can directly access
 people's misinformation, and present it sort of as if it were true,
 that would be interesting.
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2003, 20:38:39 »

If you ask me I think the Mayan Calendar doesnt represent any significant event, much like astrologers have the age of aquarius etc I believe the Mayans just broke up their civilisation into ages, 2012 will be the start of a new age, nothing will happen, its just like we calculate stuff like a millenium - we all thought its was the end of the world in 2000, it was just the end of 1 millenium and the start of another - the mayan calendar is simply something similar.
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2003, 21:25:59 »

people thought 2000 was the end of the world simply because of the number 2000. the mayans and ancient mesoamericans were spawned from the first civilizations set up in asia and africa. in fact, there is a lot of evidence that the olmecs, from whom the incas and mayans descended, were indeed of african race. science doesn't accept this because they can't explain it, but their art shows distinctively african features. they even had toys of elephants, which are native only to africa and southern asia (india). how did they get there? the annunaki put them there. you can read more about that in sitchin's 'the lost realms'.

if you want to dispel sitchin's work simply because a maniac took it and used it, boris, you're going to have a lot of trouble [Cheesy]

yes, noxerus, adama does mean earth in hebrew. the sumerians were masters of giving words double-meanings, and as far as influencing other languages, zecharia sitchin has offered key visual evidence in 'the 12th planet' that shows how other ancient languages were influenced by sumerian, at least with written text.

'adama' could mean both 'man' and 'land' at the same time. according to the sumerians, enki of the annunaki formed the first man from the clay of the earth, similar to the bible's tale. it is believed by sitchin that what this meant was that the first men were created from things previously on earth: primitive earth men, their 'flesh'. even the tale in the bible is being debated, as to what it meant to have man fashioned from the 'clay' of the earth. obviously the bible has been influenced by sumeria. by now, this, to me at least, is completely irrefutable.
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2003, 22:25:13 »

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it was also thought, until recently, that all life needed sunlight, too, until we found those underwater colonies of weird blind fish and plants that lived off of thermal heat.




Hello no_leaf_clover.

Would you please give some links to information on these underwater creatures?

Thanks.

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2003, 00:21:42 »

Somebody on the last page mentioned that the sumerians knew about this 10th planet. I have also heard that. They called it Tiamate (or something very close to that) They said the earth was once hit by a huge celestial body. The earth, the 10th planet and the moon all came out of the mess. I saw it on the discovery channel a year ago.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2003, 00:52:03 »

tiamat was the planet that was destroyed, and became the asteroid belt. the 10th planet is nibiru.

no, celestial sounds i don't have a link. it used to be all over the discovery science channel, maybe you can still catch some info there. do a search on google or something ("discovered deep ocean sunlight" for a search, etc.). if you think i'm making that up, you obviously haven't been keeping up with science. did you know europe just recently launched another probe to mars, as well (www.space.com)? all sorts of wonderful things are going on [Wink]
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2003, 00:55:22 »

heres one of the first results from google. i'm sure you can find a lot more.

http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_PLANET/HTML/oceanography_recently_revealed1.html
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2003, 05:51:08 »

Hi again,

For those of you who wanted a name from the woman with wavy, chestnut hair and the amazing green eyes, I’m not sure but it could be “Trina” or “Trianna”, you might want to try that. And please let me know what you find out, if possible, I'm curious! [Wink]

I know I’ve heard about a possible tenth planet before, but I’ve never been very interested in these theories before. I don’t know why, but I assumed it to be even smaller than Pluto and never coming close to us anyway. I find it interesting that I, during my dream or obe, saw this tenth planet as very big and dark red, which (from what I’ve found out) is what “Nibiru” should look like. The next morning and day I thought a lot about the experience and then I started to think about the planet as “Nimbus”, that was the name I got. Pretty close to “Nibiru”? [Smiley]

However, now I’ve read some other stories and theories about this planet and therefore I can’t longer be sure what’s coming from my own experience and what I got from being influenced by others. But all the things I wrote in my first and second posts are coming from my own experience – I’m not being influenced by other theories or stories that I know of.

Well, that’s all for now…

Love and light,
Zebrima
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2003, 20:56:14 »

i don't recognize the name trina or trianna, could be an addition to the royal line on nibiru. a few female annunaki names i do remember (as close as my memory allows) are ninki, ninlil (?), ninhursag, nanna or nianna (?).. maybe the last one is pretty close. look up 'sumerian gods' on google and look through the list of names that come up. those are the annunaki, the supposed 'mythology' of sumeria.

nibiru is actually believed to be 3 to 4 times the size of earth, though this subject has not been expanded on. it's enough to cause the activation of the ring of fire in the pacific; enough to pull our tectonic plates and cause earthquakes and volcanoes.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2003, 03:30:43 »

Perhaps the outside of the "planet" is nothing but a shell and the inhabitants live underneath?  If the planet is 2 to 3 bigger than earth it would have to be made of different materials or be very hollow.  Otherwise the gravity caused by such a huge object would have the result of making the aliens very short.  If they breed with early humans then they must be also a type of human or have extremely advanced gene splicing techniques.  I would also like to know what the do with all their time and why, if so advanced, they didnt leave some sort of sign on the moon or colony there?

Just some ideas to ponder on and shoot down Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2003, 20:18:11 »

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If the planet is 2 to 3 bigger than earth it would have to be made of different materials or be very hollow. Otherwise the gravity caused by such a huge object would have the result of making the aliens very short.


not necessarily. animals on earth are not of a definite height because of our gravity, as an example. if the gravity of a planet put such strict guidelines on height, dinosaurs would not have grown much taller than us.

 
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easier to look at it as us being types of them. but here's the whole story on that (and it's pretty long, and my own ideas are incorporated on the areas where sitchin won't go himself)

in the sirius, our type of life evolved (bipedal, carbon life that makes use of such things as potassium, and, btw, it is an enigma to scientists today as to why we evolved to use such obscure elements [Wink]). one or more of the planets in that system harbored our type of life countless years ago. nibiru, our 10th planet, was probably once a part of that system until knocked out of orbit by some catastrophe. this was before life had evolved there, yet the 'seed' for life somehow got onto the planet, possibly by the grays or some other such race visiting/inhabiting it.

nibiru travelled through space the way a comet would for another period of countless years before (possibly thawing out and) coming into our system. it then took entered the orbit of an already-existing planet (tiamat) and destroyed it, crushing one half into orbit as the asteroid belt, and the other flew in towards the sun to become earth. this would explain the asteroid belt, the great pacific crater, and why both mars and the moon have craters dating back to the same point in time 3.9 billion years ago (the current leading theory on the latter is that a 5th terrestrial planet pushed debris out of the already-existing asteroid belt before going into the sun. this leaves the asteroid belt unaccounted for, as well as the elliptical orbit that planet would need. if the asteroids are ever dated somehow, scientists will most likely find that the asteroids themselves are about 3.9 billion years old.).

when nibiru destroyed tiamat, it transferred the 'seed' of life onto what would later become earth. as simple life and the later dinosaurs came around on earth, nibiru was evolving man-like creatures, possibly with help from the 'grays' (the grays, originating from the sirius system, had their homeworld destroyed eons ago and have been living in space as 'pirates', evolving towards a bag of boneless organs, as life in space causes. they abduct us and extract earth dna to help save their own race, since we are also descended from the sirius system.). by the time early man was evolving on earth (the dinosaurs may well have been purposely wiped out to start another bipedal chain of mammals, because it is unlikely a bipedal would evolve without such assistance.), the annunaki ("those who from heaven to earth came", the inhabitants of nibiru) were already becoming extremely advanced. they eventually tried to establish a colony on earth, but it ultimately failed, though they created a whole human race on this planet in the process.

 
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the annunaki, obviously, don't have the time to travel by spaceship *all* the way from nibiru while it's out beyond pluto, so they wait until it starts nearing, and then use nibiru's orbit to catapult them ahead of the planet, similar to the way we did to supposively get to the moon. they had to leave so that by the time they were done with their jobs, they could simply head out to the asteroid belt and land back on nibiru. however, a refueling is needed between earth and the asteroid belt where nibiru orbits for a few years.

water is becoming more and more important, as scientists are now looking at it as a rocket fuel. the annunaki already had water-propelled rockets by the time they were visiting us, and it is now known that mars has plenty of water in its ice caps, and is believed to also have large deposits of water under its surface. the annunaki used mars as a refueling station, and set up a small base there.

ever seen the face on mars? it is believed to be a trick of light coming in at a certain angle, but who's trick? the mound of dirt has *distinct* features of a face from above and side angles. did the martian 'mother nature' do this? not likely. also, the light trick does *NOT* account for the nearby pyramids. in recent photographs of the area, the pictures of the area where the pyramids were previously seen were GONE! the government DID NOT release them! here's an older one, showing the face in the background.



hope that answers your questions [Wink]
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2003, 20:18:32 »

I think that Zechariah Sitchins work is interesting in his area of
 competence, which is translating old tablets. But he is not an
 astronomer.

 Here is the problem I have with the idea of a planet in deep
 space being inhabited. Deep space is so cold that atmospheres
 become liquid. As far out as Pluto, the sun will appear to be the
 same size as the planet Venus appears to us. The sunlight will be
 more like moonlight. There will be no heat from the sun that you
 can feel. And planet X would have to be way, way beyond Pluto to
 have an orbit of the order of 3600 years.

 We sometimes used liquid nitrogen in a lab that I once worked in.
 (our atmosphere is 80% nitrogen). We sometimes just for kicks
 dropped an artgum eraser into an insulated container of liquid
 nitrogen. When the liquid stopped boiling, we would lift the eraser
 out with tongs and drop it on the floor, where it would shatter
 like a glass jar into a hundred pieces.

 It would be completely unreasonable for a life form anything like
 humanoid to choose to live under these conditions. There would be
 no oxygen, because that needs plants to generate it, and plants
 would not survive in the cold and lack of sunlight. The only heat
 would be deep underground, so all civilization would be deep
 underground and must generate its own oxygen by technology.
 The obvious place to choose to live, in this solar system, is
 planet Earth.

 Also, these elongated, near-parabolic orbits are hazardous. A
 slight deviation could cause the planet to crash into the sun,
 instead of orbiting around it. We saw the comets that crashed into
 Jupiter.

 Zechariah's theories don't stand up against these considerations.

 Thanks for clarifying your sources as being your own. This seems to
 say that you can pick up anything, valid or not. What I am working
 on is the problem of the reliability of information that comes from
 the great beyond. Some of it is completely indigestible, some I may
 have to accept because that is the way things seem to be. I am
 trying to sort this out. The sometimes unreliability of the Ouija
 board is well known, but I think these cautions also apply to
 channeling and dreams.
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2003, 20:25:54 »

on the left, you can even see what appears to be some sort of camp in between the pyramids.

here's the face from the side:



here's a nice little comparison for you to make:



close-up of a mars pyramid:



compare it to the ones in egpyt..



things starting to fall into place? eh?
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