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Author Topic: Please can you tell me if these were obe's or lucid dreams  (Read 374 times)
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« on: February 23, 2010, 17:09:39 »

sorry i know i alreaddy posted the below experiene in another post inregards to an experiment i was doing but i thought i d post it here for relevance
i know i already labelled some experiences as dreams ect but would someone please correctly label them cause to be honest am not sure i the lucids or projections

heres my experience
ok last night was my day of so i took 2000mg valerian, 2000mg st johns wort, 200 mg 200 htp, 750 choline inistol

i ll state just incase its relevant..... i was awake for about 30 hours. I ate lightly and i ran 5 mile and walked about 5 mile.

when i finally went to sleep for a very odd reason i was nt tired. i tried to mediate but the valerian took effect and made me sleep (i had a very heavy jaw feeling never has happened before)

dream 1: i dreamt i was on a farm and ther was an ill horse the farmer said he was gonna kill it and so he scalped it
(dream has significance to a film i watched called fight club where he shooots him self in the mouth)
(the horse might possibly come into this dream because i have been talking to my friend about horse tranquillezer, (ketamin)

then i woke up i must have slept about 10 hours usally after 10 hours am wide awake but i hink the valerian might still have been effecting me cause i just felt like sleeping again.
firstly i asked my self if i had anythin to do today and then answered no and closed my eyes

this is where a false awaken happened and i would wake up and be in a house but my brother and sisters were there so i know its my mams house and so am dreaming..
although am dreaming i dont realise it much and so lie back down in my dream to sleep.

i dont know if the vibrations take place in my false awakening or if they actually happen in my physical but i end up getting heavy vibrations.

(lucid dream 1)
it feels like pulling magnets apart as i lift my astarl/dream arms from my body with my hands
i then place them over my eyes and force them to peel open my astral/dream eyes. now i can see my dream hands and my real hands and so i decide in order to stop myself from phasing i ll focus on the wall and shift my dream body/awareness to there and so it happened.
then i saw my brothers and sisters again and realised it was just a lucid dream.

after realising it was a lucid dream i went back to my sleeping body in my false awakening and realighned my other dream body with it in an attempt to wake up (that sounds weird)

now i open my eyes tyhen close them again and soon as i do vibrations start again . again am not sure if it is oming to my false awakening or my physical but i end up lucid again

(lucid dream 2 / obe 1)
not sure if this is a lucid dream or a projection

but again i seperate my hands then make them open my eyes then decide in order to stop phasing i ll focus on the cieling and float----------(lapse in memory)

(obe 2 / lucid dreaming 3)

cant rember getting back to body and still nto sure if the vibrations are physical or from my false awakening but i felt my vibrations as soon as i closed my eyes

i was in some sort of corridor with lots of doors (mabye a blcok of highrise flats)
i cant stop my self from moving am been pushed every where.
all i can do is turn my self in one direction and wait to be pshed in that direction.
i decide to hold my hands out as if there was an invisible ball between them and then manifest a cude and it happens but my hand goes through the cube so i focus on making it solid and again it hapopens.

i then see some people but by this time my memory of the lucid/obe is weak and vague. i cant remember if they could see me are not but i do remember there was a young boy and i think a man and woman am not sure but i think they were asian. in the end once past the people i decide to throw cude and it explodes and i wake up

although i was nt sure wether this was a lucid dream or obe. it did have a dreamy feeling to it all.
and that pushing moving i can only describe it by using this metaphor
"imagine a piece of peper put right next to a fan in an air shaft and then suddenly the fan starts and the piece of paper is thrust down the shaft  if it does nt make a slight adjustment in angle it would just hit the wall and so it has to steer its self (metaphorically) though the shaft

thats exactly how i felt.

and i think i had more lucid/obes but i just cant rembeber them but i recall vibrations at least 5 times
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 17:25:26 »

ok last night was my day of so i took 2000mg valerian, 2000mg st johns wort, 200 mg 200 htp, 750 choline inistol
I was just looking up those herbs...
The Valerian is for relaxing and sleeping?
The St Johns Wort is... an anti depressant?  Mind altering perhaps?
I don't know the other one...
And Choline with Inistol is for mind and muscle improvement?

Does this particular combination of herbs have an actual name?

And I'm assuming it's to induce Lucid Dreams?
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 19:39:46 »

Choline produces neurotransmitter acetylcholine which is good for REM. If I am not mistaken.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 22:18:14 »

hi xanth
well....
valerian is a sedatitive and helps you sleep. the guys in the other post said it helps to jump straaight into deep sleep without going through the rem stages but the down side is it decreases the chance of you rembering the dream
valerian is an anti depressant

st johns wort is also a sedatitive and an anti depresant it induces your body into making more serontin

5 hydroxytritopahn (5http) is a muscle relaxant that also induces serotonin
choline inistol- no idea about the stuff

i was experimenting with these herbs to induce projections
there is no grouped name for this combination and i mainly used it cause its all i can get my hands on

the real stuff i wanna try is galantamine and dmt but both are illegal in my country
if you do try the valerian combination i been warned not to overdose on it because it can produce serotnin sydrome and kill you

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 23:04:54 »

Choline is a natural vitamin you get from legumes, eggs, beef and some other foods. It helps for concentration, creativity and coordination.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2010, 03:52:54 »

thanks lee am up late its 4am here cause i decide to do energy work before bed and when i do it makes me not be able to sleep lol
and its my first day on a new job tomorrow and am gonna be looking as tired  lol

its 4am here lol
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