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« on: November 09, 2010, 04:34:20 »

Has anyone had any luck with this? I always hear people saying that they meditate and then project while on their backs, however, I am much more comfortable on my stomach.

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 14:24:48 »

Then project on your stomach.
There are no hard and fast rules other than be in a position that is comfortable for you.  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 01:00:33 »

yeah I've projected many times on my stomach.
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2010, 09:58:44 »

good to know, thank you Smiley

the only problem is, since I am so much comfortable on my stomach I almost always fall asleep. But I have been noticing my dreams more and more and the point where I actually fall asleep. So im hoping to catch myself as I drift off and phase if possible.

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 01:41:22 »

Okay so even if your uncomfortable laying on your back, then just simply switching to laying on your stomach is okay? I wonder why then In almost all material Ive read on the subject they tell you to lie on you back hands at your side,  referred to as the Earth posture in Denning & Phillips book " Practical Guide to Astral Projection"

I really do believe that it is better for having any type of OBE for the physical body to be laying on it's back, and just finding a way that your can make this postion most comfortable to you. When practicing Rhythmic Breathing I would think it would be better to be laying on your back, and also when working with the energy chakras because They are located towards the front of your body.

I don't know, I'm sure people who can project at will have no problem projecting from really any postion, but shouldn't a beginner practice in the postion of laying on your back?

Have a lot of people been able to project laying on their stomachs? I'm curious?  huh
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 02:18:37 »

Okay so even if your uncomfortable laying on your back, then just simply switching to laying on your stomach is okay? I wonder why then In almost all material Ive read on the subject they tell you to lie on you back hands at your side,  referred to as the Earth posture in Denning & Phillips book " Practical Guide to Astral Projection"
Because (and even though I haven't read that one) a lot of material relies on ritual, and the 'earth position' denotes some sort of belief system attached to it, like asanas, for example.  Depending on the views or cultures, there will be some sort of symbolic association with a position.
For example, there are positions that are supposed to facilitate 'kinds of projections' (like from the second chakra vs. a third eye projection)- I've tried some of them and only found out that it facilitated sleep paralysis- not fun, or that it facilitated nothing.  I think position is a personal thing- for me reclined is the best way, because my lower back starts to hurt if I lay flat for more than six hours, and I sometimes get asthma.  So the recliner is perfect for me.
Monroe thought at first you had to project from North to South.  After some time he figured that it didn't matter, and he stopped following rules like that.

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with the energy chakras because They are located towards the front of your body.
My understanding of chakras (from reading other authors) is that they are in the center axis of the body, with a front and a back, not in the front.  Some believe that this is an interpretation based on ancient artwork, but clairvoyants I know don't agree.  I personally have only seen them once, from the front (on another person, not myself).  But I just want to point out that these ideas are not givens.

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I don't know, I'm sure people who can project at will have no problem projecting from really any postion, but shouldn't a beginner practice in the postion of laying on your back?
I would say that it depends on what you're trying to achieve.  If you sleep on your back in bed, then it won't be conducive to successful conscious projection, simply because you automatically want to be asleep in that position.  I would say that if the object is to project consciolusly from trance, find a position that is comfortable enough to trance with (in my case, it's a recliner) but not so comfortable that you will pass out and go to sleep.  Unless you are trying to have a SILD, in which case I say happy dreams.


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Have a lot of people been able to project laying on their stomachs? I'm curious?  huh
Only once and it wasn't awesome.  I fell through the bed, started going through the floor into the ground, and immediately shot up off the 'underground', which was extremely unpleasant.

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 03:32:39 »

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My understanding of chakras (from reading other authors) is that they are in the center axis of the body, with a front and a back, not in the front.  Some believe that this is an interpretation based on ancient artwork, but clairvoyants I know don't agree.  I personally have only seen them once, from the front (on another person, not myself).  But I just want to point out that these ideas are not givens.

Location of the chakras
There are quite some differences in were each chakra is supposed to be located. The differences are in what level in the body they are supposed to be and whether they are at the front or the back of the body.

Often the chakras are depicted to be situated in the front of the body, particularly on many beautiful pictures, but just as much on the spine. Authors that situate them in the front, or somewhere halfway in the body, often do depict a connection with the spine. Almost everyone seems to agree that the chakras lie on the midline of the body (although there are some exceptions).

^The above insert was taken from the website...
http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/differences.php

So i do agree with everything you said. The book i mentioned earlier By Denning&Phillips references the occult way of thinking very often and I'm sure that as you said, the Earth postion is pulled from some sort of belief system. I personally would be more comfortable laying on my stomach, however i choose to lie on my back anyway, because i just feel as though my energy and astral body are a lot easier to work with and my breathing, while laying on my back, and so i would say that a lot of it is personal preference, for whatever is right for that person, and I'm assuming that the energy chakras are more easily spotted from the front view of a person, considering the throat, heart and genitals are all located towards the front of your body, however I assume the actual chakra itself is not just located on the front of the body, but actually all the way through and out the back of the body as well.


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I would say that it depends on what you're trying to achieve.  If you sleep on your back in bed, then it won't be conducive to successful conscious projection, simply because you automatically want to be asleep in that position.  I would say that if the object is to project consciously from trance, find a position that is comfortable enough to trance with (in my case, it's a recliner) but not so comfortable that you will pass out and go to sleep.  Unless you are trying to have a SILD, in which case I say happy dreams.



I agree, and again I'm sure that personal preference plays the biggest role in what postion a beginner should use when learning to project, but I would say that most beginners probably go with laying on the back just because its what is told to do in many articles and also seen that way in most pictures imitating an OBE.

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Only once and it wasn't awesome.  I fell through the bed, started going through the floor into the ground, and immediately shot up off the 'underground', which was extremely unpleasant.


hehe, Yes, I would think if I was able to project while laying on my stomach something similar to this would happen to me as well, mostly because we are both used to projecting (whether laying down or reclining) from a position on our backs Smiley

Thanks for helping me clear that up CFTraveler,

and i also have a question for you actually..
How long have you been having conscious OBE's, and also if you have graduated from any Metaphysical school, online or in person, and if so which one? I'm curious because after reading around AstralPulse, you seem to always be full of wise, useful, and correct posts, and I have been looking into online metaphysical schools myself, and having trouble deciding which ones are worth it, if any. Smiley
Thanks!
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 17:06:04 »

Thanks, you make me sound better than I am.
I have been projecting pretty much all of my life, but didn't identify it until I was around tennish, when I told my mom what I had seen (and how it had happened).  She read up on the subject and later on gave me a few books to read that described my adventures.  I was able to put a name to my experiences but it didn't help me to make it happen on purpose.  So when I was in my late thirties a series of things started to happen to me which led me into looking at alternative religious viewpoints, and you could say that I had a few 'peak experiences'.  Later in my forties some really scary stuff started happening to me that made me think I was losing my mind.  At some point (this went on for years) someone at work  indicated that I should look more into AP, and something in my head clicked, that the experiences I was having may have to do with AP and that I should learn to induce it.
I looked into it and found three books, Leaving the Body by Scott Rogo, Buhlman's book (I forgot the title), and Monroe's first book, and they were interesting and informative, but only one of the Rogo exit techs partially worked.  Then I decided to search on the internet for the stuff that had been happening to me and ran into the words 'astral abduction', in an article by Whitley Strieber, in which he had interviewed Robert Bruce, and he described many of the things that were happening to me.
So I then got AD and MAP, and did the MAP program (the book version) and it helped me project consciously, and I've been doing it ever since.
I have not 'graduated' from any mystery school but have read many books about all kinds of 'occult' disciplines, and have Intro to Hermetics, but have not finished it- the only things that I have officially done is a couple of Robert Bruce workshops (I did the PAPI in the internet) and went to the Monroe Institute for an intensive workshop with Robert, which was a lot of fun.
Let's see, I learned to induce OBE around 1998 more or less, got 'better' at it around 2005, and have been tumbling around the forums ever since.
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 19:24:13 »

CFTraveler,

So you have been to the Monroe institute then? and completed one of the programs offered to people at the institute? What was that like for you? Do you think that it was worth it, as far as what you walked in there knowing, and what you walked away with learning and experiencing? I was looking at some of those programs last night and a lot of them are pretty expensive, but if it's worth it, then I would love to someday be able to join one. But then again, I have been looking for a metaphysical colledge to attend online and those actually are way less expensive then actually attending a regular colledge so yeah.. I'm just curious.. Smiley

Anyway.. Yeah when I was a little girl I actually remember laying in bed at night and seeing spirits or spiritual entities in my room at night, and sometimes I would even speak to them, but now as an adult, I had been told It was not real for so long by the adults in my life, that now as an adult having the spiritual knowledge I do know, I wish I could make it start happening again!! lol
you say later in your "fourties" .. so that would make you at least 40 years of age.. that's cool, see I could tell just by reading your posts and years ago, seeing you on astral society, that you were full of life experience!! thanks so much for your reply Smiley

Last question.. Out of all the workshops and things you have purchased what do you feel has been the most helpful, or useful to you as far as what your learned and gained from it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 22:02:11 »

I had already answered this but the forum crashed or was backed up and my post went bye-bye; but what I was going to say is that of all the books and workshops, etc. what helped me the most was completing the MAP program (book version), because it taught me how to reliably project, and was the beginning of having a structured practice, and gave me tools to develop my own techs- all the rest of the stuff I've done would not have been possible without that initial training.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 18:13:31 »

good advise, thank you so much CFTraveler, I'M thankful for your opinions and advise always  smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2010, 12:07:25 »

For example, there are positions that are supposed to facilitate 'kinds of projections' (like from the second chakra vs. a third eye projection)- I've tried some of them and only found out that it facilitated sleep paralysis- not fun, or that it facilitated nothing.

Do you remember what positions put you in sleep paralysis?

I've found that when I wake up in sp I'm actually already out of body but it just feels like paralysis because I dont know it and am trying to move my physical body. If I close my eyes(real/astral/etheric idk)I can get away from my body pretty easily. So if there was a way for me to induce proper sleep paralysis it would be very helpful.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2010, 15:42:35 »

Flat on my back most of the time, gave me SP for a time, sleeping on the right side gave me weird dreams-in my room also.  That stopped, so there may have been something else going on.  That lasted for like a year. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2010, 15:51:54 »

I WISH I could sleep on my back... but I'd have to sleep somewhere that isn't next to my gf.  LOL
Cause I generally start snoring, and she backhands me... >_>  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2010, 20:52:06 »

Flat on my back most of the time, gave me SP for a time, sleeping on the right side gave me weird dreams-in my room also.  That stopped, so there may have been something else going on.  That lasted for like a year. 

lol I was hoping you were going to have some special position like one leg out to the side with your toes crossed and a hand in your armpit.

On my back is when I get sp too.
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