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« on: March 07, 2011, 01:15:44 »

Being rather new to this forum, I thought I'd begin a new topic here that I can use to post my experiences as they happen.  All of my experiences to date over the past few years are also on my blog (www.karen659.blogspot.com) but I also like to share them on these forums so that as many readers as possible get the information.  I list the 'highlights' of my experiences at the top of the blog, but if anyone was to read through it all, you'd see how I've developed and grown in this realm.

This is the latest post, and I'm always eager to hear any insight anyone has.  Feel free to comment or email me...thanks for reading!
-Karen

3/6/11  140) Learning the Importance of Protection

For a little background on this OBE, I had decided I’d use my Hemi-sync MP3s that I used when I first started my OOB travels to see if there was any difference in experience with them now. 

My usual induction and visualization technique always involves surrounding myself with white light, using affirmations, and asking for help from those ‘who are at or above my level of development.’   This time, however, I simply allowed the tapes to lead me into relaxation and the proper mind state as I drifted off. 

My first recollection for this OBE was a dream where I was caring for my son in his younger years.   I became aware when I felt a sensation of ‘hands’ placed on my hips.  I have felt these hands before and was not concerned at all, as it gave me the lucidity I needed to know I was about to get OOB. 

Feeling a ‘push’ on my bottom, I thought, ‘well, maybe they are trying to help push me out’ and took the initiative and rolled out to my right.  I found myself climbing out of bed OOB and could even ‘hear’ the sound of my foot as it landed on the floor!! 

I thought this was quite odd as I don’t usually hear physical type sounds associated with getting out of body, and in looking around, realized I was in my bedroom from long ago before the house was remodeled.   (In actuality, I was on the living room couch as usual!)   This bedroom, however, was the same bedroom that would have corresponded with the younger age of my son in the dream just prior.

Just happy to be out of body again, I tried to move to the living room but was surprised to feel ‘disoriented’ and unsure of where I was going.  I even remember thinking, ‘Why can’t I think clearly?’ but did not remember to do the ‘stay aware’ that I just learned in the previous OBE!    I did, however, continue to feel a very tight arm around my waist, knowing whomever was holding me was immediately behind me and very, very close!

Things felt ‘heavy’ and ‘thick’ but I managed to get into the living room, still held tightly by this individual and making my movements difficult.   Now I feel a second hand moving to my upper chest against my breast and I become a bit concerned.  I am not afraid, but also not feeling as though this is something ‘good’ happening.

I hear a loud ‘guttural’ type sound from within the room and then a male voice in my right ear saying something like, ‘they know we are here’.  I didn’t understand all his words or meaning and told him, “I cannot hear you!” asking him twice to repeat what he was saying.  I just couldn’t get the full meaning of his words.

Becoming suspicious of something being amiss, I turned quickly to face whoever was holding me so close from behind and talking into my ear.  I could clearly see a young man, light complexion, thin, small eyes, with sandy colored hair parted nearly in the middle, looking at me smiling.  It was not a ‘warm’ friendly smile and I felt concerned.

My guard was up, but surprisingly, felt NO fear.  I asked him ‘Who are you?’ and “Are of a part of my higher self?”   Not really sure if these were the right questions as my thoughts were still not clear, I then remembered what William Buhlman had told us to do should you face someone of questionable character, asking “What do you represent?”  (Those who are of the Light will respond, those who are less than desirable cannot lie nor remain).  I saw his face distort slightly, and then he disappeared!

Immediately after, I pulled back to full awareness, and thought about what just happened.

In hindsight, I realized I did not do my usual induction to include the 'white light of protection' and a request for those 'at or above my level of development', having used just the Hemi-sync MP3s to induce.  Likely I was in a very ‘near-physical’ dimension where a ‘less-than-desirable’ entity may have been waiting.  I was never afraid, but I knew something wasn't right.   

Although I rarely encounter these 'lower level' entities, it is important that you always know who you are dealing with when OOB. Asking them 'what do you represent?' will give you the insight as to their intentions.  My lesson here was that this visualization of white light with a protection request should remain a key part of my induction routine!
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 01:39:33 »

A nice account thanks for sharing  cool



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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 12:22:35 »


My usual induction and visualization technique always involves surrounding myself with white light,
using affirmations, and asking for help from those ‘who are at or above my level of development.’ 
This time, however, I simply allowed the tapes to lead me into relaxation and the proper
mind state as I drifted off. 


I actually ask for helpers or guides who knows "more than me, as much as me or less than me".
The "less than" part is because I think that there can be helpers that in fact knows less than
me in one type of sense, but they have the ability to help me in a way I can't do myself.
I've not been able to do this successfully before any OBE, but so far it seems to have
worked on the "imagination method" retrievals I've done.

I may change my approach if things go bad. I will return with a comment on the forum,
if this happens in the future.



I became aware when I felt a sensation of ‘hands’ placed on my hips.  I have felt these hands
before and was not concerned at all, as it gave me the lucidity I needed to know I was about
to get OOB. 

Feeling a ‘push’ on my bottom, I thought, ‘well, maybe they are trying to help push me out’ and
took the initiative and rolled out to my right.  I found myself climbing out of bed OOB and
could even ‘hear’ the sound of my foot as it landed on the floor!! 

. . .

I did, however, continue to feel a very tight arm around my waist, knowing whomever
was holding me was immediately behind me and very, very close!


I'm just guessing now, but when someone is able to push you out-of-body, I would actually
assume it is some part of the Total/Higher Self. I don't think I've read anyone being pushed
OBE by someone they don't are connected to in a good way.

Being pushed/pulled out can be due to the reason you have too low non-physical energy to be able
to go OBE on your own. So you get a little help to OBE.

Monroe also experienced this and also at some occasion got help moving
back into body.



Things felt ‘heavy’ and ‘thick’ but I managed to get into the living room, still held tightly
by this individual and making my movements difficult.   Now I feel a second hand moving
to my upper chest against my breast and I become a bit concerned.  I am not afraid,
but also not feeling as though this is something ‘good’ happening.


The touch to the chest could be some kind of energy transfer or transformation to
you heart energy center. For example Jürgen Ziewe has written about how his heart center
was rubbed by the foot of a guide. Ziewe also learnt a new language. See ->
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/FAQ_about_out_of_body_experiences_and_life_after_death.html
"Meeting the master" question.
Or look at the video "Levels of Consciousness" at 20:00 - 20:40 & around 22:00 ->
http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Testimony_of_life_after_death_videos_2.html




Becoming suspicious of something being amiss, I turned quickly to face whoever was holding me
so close from behind and talking into my ear.  I could clearly see a young man, light complexion,
thin, small eyes, with sandy colored hair parted nearly in the middle, looking at me smiling.
It was not a ‘warm’ friendly smile and I felt concerned.


Going to the Moen school and similar, you could have tried to send PUL to the person or
the full area where you were to make it change. If this was a less good entity it will not
change into something better. If it is a helper/guide, his smile will improve if you send him PUL.



My guard was up, but surprisingly, felt NO fear.  I asked him ‘Who are you?’ and “Are of a part of my higher self?” 
Not really sure if these were the right questions as my thoughts were still not clear, I then remembered what
William Buhlman had told us to do should you face someone of questionable character, asking
“What do you represent?”  (Those who are of the Light will respond, those who are less than desirable
cannot lie nor remain).  I saw his face distort slightly, and then he disappeared!


This seems to be a very good advice from Buhlman. I have to remember it. "What do you represent?"

Perhaps he tried to answer you, but you were running out of non-physical energy?

The whole event could be some kind of test to see how far you've reached in personal growth,
when on low energy?
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 14:27:23 »

Heya Karen!

Welcome to the Astral Pulse.

I just wanted to say that I follow your blog. It's really well done and your posts are always so good!  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 16:58:04 »

Hallo Karen and welcome.
I too follow your blog. (You might remember me from other forums.)

btw If you have time then you might want to respond to my OBE Exit Poll. It's in the "Welcome to Out Of Body Experiences Forum". If you already responded in another website then thanx and don't bother here.  smiley

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 00:58:54 »

Oh my gosh! I had no idea I had replies to my post here!! I'll have to figure out how to set that up so I am notified!!  THANK YOU everyone SO MUCH for the replies and the comments...I can learn so much from everyone, and I'm hoping that by sharing my experiences, others may learn from me.

I have to be more careful in checking back for responses...I'm so sorry I've overlooked them! 

Now, onto the the next post where I'm adding my latest....hang in for more!

Thanks again...
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3/27/11     141) Easy Exit, Seeing Conversations, Little Man, Recorder Use

It’s been a few weeks since my last OBE, and I know I truly am thankful for the clarity and easy exit I experienced with this one.  I just can’t explain how joyful I was to be out once again, to feel the gentleness and peace this out-of-body travel gives me.  Although it is not clear what I learned from this, I am always assured some learning has occurred and I’ll share it with you despite its lack of ‘action’.

I awoke as usual with the intention of traveling, moving to the couch and doing my usual induction routine.  As usual, I drift off to sleep, but am made aware of a ‘goose bumps’ sensation that is coursing up and down my body.  It feels like a buzzing or vibrating sensation and I am enjoying just trying to keep it going, but then realize, ‘hey, this just might be the vibrational stage of an OBE!’ and so I just take control and try to roll out.

I’m thrilled to find myself easily rolling out and standing by my couch in the living room! I try to move, but find it ‘heavy’ and I fall to the floor, but notice that my vision is so clear! I can see the wooden floor and the detail of the grain next to my face, so I try to pull up.  It’s difficult when I try to ‘physically’ stand but I know I can just ‘float’ up and so I intend that, and find myself easily floating up by the ceiling looking down!

With the vision is so clear, I notice my stairs to the bedroom and move to them.  I float easily up the stairs, wondering now if maybe I could see my husband as he sleeps.  Moving into the bedroom, I see the ‘lump’ in the bed, but noticing the glass sliding doors to my upper porch, I now want to just get outdoors.

As I near the doors, I turn and look back at the mirrored closet, thinking maybe I’d like to see what I look like.  It was rather dark from across the room and decide it’s really not that big a deal to see.  Instead I just pushed out with my back against the glass doors to get outside.

Immediately, I can feel the ‘cool’ air change as I passed through the glass easily.  I’m overlooking my yard on the second floor porch, and am thrilled to jump over the railing and just float gently down!  I remember thinking this is just SO peaceful and comforting to do…that I wished I could do it ‘in real life’ as well! I recall thinking, “wouldn’t it be great to just ‘fall off’ the porch and take the time to enjoy the fall?”

I floated to the edge of my yard, just basking in the happiness of being out again, but as always, I feel I must do something ‘constructive’ with my experience.  I stop and try to think where it was that I wanted to go, not really clear in knowing what I wanted to do.  I had thought of a few choices prior but never specifically ‘intended’ one place. 

I decided I’d do what has always worked for me, knowing that I should be using this OOB experience for my own learning.  Instead of ‘to my Higher Self’ as I have done previously, I asked to taken to ‘where I need to learn’, not sure why I worded it this way.

Once again, I immediately felt the long black tunnel and a sense of movement.  When it stopped, I found myself in a parking lot at night, hearing and seeing the highway traffic lights just a short distance away.  I turned to look around, and now found myself walking toward a group of people, no longer in darkness.

There were children and adults here, and I felt it was a type of social activity for some sort of Little League or sports type team, as most of the children and parents were wearing a light blue T-shirt type uniform.  It felt like a fundraising event, with various games and activities going on.

My recollection here starts to become a bit hazy, knowing I was there interacting in some way, but do not know specific details.  I did not feel as though I ‘fit in’ here, but I also felt that these people knew vaguely who I was but did not get a sense of ‘closeness’ to them.

I remember talking to a young man who was behind a counter, in a concessions type stand, selling food.  We knew each other, but not on a ‘close’ level as I was eager to help him with his work.  Once inside the building, I remember seeing an anteroom that had some things on the floor that I wanted to remember, maybe some sort of equipment, but I cannot recall details.

Leaving the building, I’m walking around just noticing the conversations that were going on with these people.  I could somehow ‘see’ their conversations, knowing when things were being said that may have been hurtful or unkind.  I could ‘see’ how it affected them and wondered if they even knew how their words were ‘damaging’ the other person’s ‘appearance’.  (There just aren’t words to describe what I saw/felt here.)  I found it fascinating to watch, and knew that it is our thoughts as well as words that make such an impact on everyone around us.

This next part is a bit more confusing, and I’ll apologize in advance, as it may be a bit repulsive to some. I know it was for me. 

I find myself talking to this small person, someone very familiar in some way.  I know I’ve taken care of him before, but he looked different this time.   I’m talking to him as I pick him up to carry with me.  I feel a need to care for him as no one else is paying much attention to him.  I thought it was a small child, however, he mentions something about ‘used to have a beard’ and ‘hair on his chest’ which gave me the indication this was a grown man in a very small body.

He was not well as he had a problem with coughing and keeping the mucus and phlegm under control.  I was using tons of tissues to catch the mucus as it bubbled out his mouth, barely able to contain my own nausea as I cared for him.  It truly was gross to deal with, as I know this was always something I’ve had a difficult time dealing with even as a nurse in real life.

We are next to a truck that has kids in the front seat, and I watch as the father gets out sharing his drink with another ‘little person’ that is sitting on the front hood.  I try to discard the tissues I have, only to see that the mucus and tissues do not reach the bin and get all over the truck.
 
The experience starts to ‘fuzz’ a little bit, and with my queasiness, I decide I’m going to pull back and awaken.    I truly don’t know what this last bit was all about.  The easy exit and ‘visual’ conversations were quite interesting, but this was such a gross ending to the whole experience!

What I want to tell everyone is that if it were not for my little voice recorder that I have on me each time I ‘travel’, I would not be able to  remember even these few details.  I’d like to share what I do so that others can try to see if it helps with their recall.

I have a very small digital voice recorder, about 1” x 4”, that I bring with me to the couch.  I have learned that once you awaken from an experience, the more you move and the more you wake, the more you will forget! 

Therefore, before I start my induction, I will either place this recorder in a pocket on my chest, or roll it up in a sleeve of my night clothes.  The key is that it must be accessible without much movement of your arms once awake. 

When I realize I’m fully awake (and sometimes this is difficult with many false awakenings!), I slowly move one hand to get the recorder.  It has easy buttons to push without opening my eyes to look at it, and I start backward in recalling the events of the experience, without moving and without opening my eyes.  I try to ‘fade back’ into the scenes to recall as much as I can.

Initially, I use only a single word or two that describes the entire chronological experience from ending to beginning, and then once the single words are done, start describing it in more detail.  Many times when I play back the recording, I find these short words from my just-waking state will ‘jog’ memories of another forgotten segment!  This backward recall works best for me, using what I remember most to pull up the details of what came just before it.

I now think at some point I may change over to a voice-activated recorder, but for now, this works well and I wanted to share my tips and techniques with everyone.

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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 14:21:50 »

Just wanted to share a wonderful post from a friend on another forum...such great insight as to my last OBE ...it 'feels' so right! Thanks Oliver!

Hello, Karen.

I think the highway parking lot indicates that you transferred your consciousness to the astral plane at least, the highway denoting a way to travel between different nonphysical locations. This travel is comparatively fast, like travelling on a freeway, but maybe not very fast, like on the mental plane. Although, coming to think of it, the instantaneous nature of your travel is also to be considered.

The fact that you can see, sense and interpret both the energy/information exchanges and the change this causes in another person's energy field, denotes also the activity of the inner senses in a higher body, at least the astral. Noteworthy is that you observed the emotional impact of the exchanges, in this case of the grosser, more coarse (and also hurtful) emotions (probably easier to observe).

As a nurse it is not surprising that you have natural ability as a healer, and you bring it to bear here. The mucus extracted is probably negative emotional energy, a healing service you provide to somebody else's energy body. The astral body can become overloaded with such negative material and you basically emptied that one out. Conjuring up a container or a smelter might help in such a process the next time if you can remember to do so.

The little person with the adult personality might denote that the person you are helping has retained some past life memories before incarnating, or even needs such a cleanse to incarnate. Babies can appear in the astral as both adults (personality from former lives, for example) and babies, and often an intermix of attributes of both. The astral elemental might retain such characteristics from a former life if they need to be tackled in the present lifetime, and maybe your healing had to do with just that. Like helping the little guy release something he needed to get rid off in this lifetime to have a clean slate for new learning, breaking out of a habit (phlegm-atic: the inability to break out of a rut).

So, the learning probably pertained to using your energy/information skills (observing and translating such exchanges) and your healing abilities.

Very beautiful detailed experience in your bedroom and your yard.

Cheers,
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4/3/11    142) Experiencing Dual Consciousness - On Another Level

In order to give a little background on this experience, I want to mention that I have been reading and thinking a bit more about what exactly this ‘out of body’ experience is.  I realize now what is easiest for us to understand is that we somehow ‘create’ or extrude this other ‘body’ and use it to maneuver the astral planes. 

Despite knowing there was much more to this ‘exit’ than this simple assumption, I never thought more about it, instead choosing to just enjoy the experience and learn how to navigate this realm with different methods.

Now, with reading Ophiel’s book from the early years of astral travel, I find a slightly different understanding of what I am doing, especially after this experience.   I’ve always known there was a change in ‘awareness’ and ‘consciousness’ when I rolled out, leaving my physical body behind, but never thought more of it. 

I now think there is so much more to this simple ‘act’ than one can understand.  It is not simply a ‘transition’ to a new astral ‘body’, but a transfer of awareness (aka consciousness) to another level of awareness, hence can be done at any time and on multiple levels.

This ‘dual consciousness’ sensation I have felt before, in the ‘astral vision’ where I was lying on my bed aware of ‘seeing’ and participating in another experience, feeling both my physical body and this etheric body. (see #16 on my blog - http://karen659.blogspot.com/2007/08/astral-vision.html)  In a sense, this would be a physical-etheric interface, whereas what I believe I experienced here in this OBE was on another level where perhaps it was an astral-etheric interface on another level.

There is much I am not writing about in this OBE as it was on level with activities that only I can personally relate to. However, I am sharing the part that was most interesting in learning more about this ‘transfer’ of consciousness and state of ‘be-ing’.

The beginning of the experience started much as usual, with the joyful sensation of vibrations beginning as I lie on my couch.  However, just as I was willing the vibrations to increase, I become aware of someone walking toward the couch. 

Having had this many times, I have learned to just wait and see who it was.  I was so surprised to ‘see’ it was my husband, and he was most adamant about me getting up and taking care of some things.  I remember now being disappointed at the loss of vibrations and a potential OBE, and got up to do what I needed to do.

At this point, in hindsight, I realize I was now out of body, but totally unaware of my ‘state of be-ing’.  In a dreamlike environment, I moved through different activities that felt ‘real’ and usual. (In hindsight, as I recorded these activities, however, I am amazed that I did not pick up on the some of the QUITE unusual events!)

The part that was most interesting is finding ‘myself’ at a medical seminar, the kind I have attended in physical life many times.  Sitting at the table, preparing to pack up and leave, my first ‘clear’ recollection of something amiss was when I got up to pick up some items behind me.

Looking back at the table where I came from, I was AMAZED to see MYSELF still sitting there, working on something at the table! I remember thinking, ‘oh! I must have rolled out of body when I got up!’ and was happy to know I was out, but was a bit confused as to how my ‘other body’ was awake, yet I was here!

So I walk up to my’self’, and turn to face me, wondering if maybe this other ‘self’ had fallen asleep (since that is generally the only time I know I’m OOB!)  But, I can now see the wide-awake shocked expression of my ‘seated self’ seeing myself standing in front of me!  Yet at the same time, I am also ‘aware’ of the shocked thoughts at seeing myself in front of me! What a sensation!! It was similar to the ‘astral vision’ experiences, but with an even deeper level of immediate understanding.

I believe I had assumed this ‘dream-body’ level of awareness as the ‘true me’ until I felt the transition to the other ‘out of body’ level of awareness. Then, upon facing myself, I found I was both, the same and at once!  I’m sorry this is so confusing, but at the time, it was not as difficult to understand as it is to put into words!

Now, the sad fact is that I did not keep this ‘other awareness’ and moved back into the ‘dream-body’ level of awareness and resumed my activities in preparing to leave the seminar.  I remember thinking I had driven myself there alone, and as it was about 5:30 pm, I knew I had to leave soon as I had a 4-5 hour drive home.

It was only upon awakening fully into the physical state was I able to realize this other ‘awareness’ of being out of body, while I was out of body! Usually I find myself in a familiar local environment in an out of body ‘mindstate’ or ‘wake up’ within a dream anomaly to full ‘consciousness’ of my OOB state.  This time, I remained in this dreamstate, but able to move my consciousness back and forth between my dream-state character and another out-of-body awareness. Quite unusual! 
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2011, 13:58:57 »

Karen, this seemed like a Robert Bruce mind-split effect, with a little different environment than he describes here: http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/astral-projection-training/treatise-on-astral-projection/67-part-7.html
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 15:02:13 »

That's a great experience Karen!

My personal beliefs are that we are consciousness, and that consciousness can exist in multiple realities at once.  In your case, you experienced the physical reality and the 'etheric' reality.  It's the multidimensional nature of our true selves, the self of us that is pure consciousness. 

It actually happens quite often... I had one such experience this past weekend.  Though it was only a dream awareness experience... I was sitting in an aisle in a grocery store and I felt 'someone' walk up behind me.  I initially believed it to be someone who worked at the store... yet, as I woke up, I realized that it was actually my girlfriend walking up behind me.  I was within a dream experience, yet at the same time I was bring in aspects from this physical reality into the dream.  We do this quite often throughout our lives. 

When I was younger, I used to get up out of bed often and my room would still have much of the dream imagery in it.  So much so, that I was actually still fully dreaming.  This is another example of experiencing more than one reality simultaneously.

Our consciousness is such an amazing thing.  Keep up the good work!  I look forward to reading more!  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 23:44:36 »

Karen, this seemed like a Robert Bruce mind-split effect, with a little different environment than he describes here: http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/astral-projection-training/treatise-on-astral-projection/67-part-7.html

Yes, Pauli2, very similar...and thanks for the link.  What was SO different about this 'mind-split' for me was that I've had the physical and astral interface split before, knowing I was physical and also seeing 'out' in the astral doing things, but this time it felt a bit 'deeper' in the sense that I was almost 'splitting off' from the astral body into another 'body' (mental?).  At the time, I could 'sense' both aspects of me on a very intense level, knowing and understanding both sides of ME at once! So unusual! 

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 23:54:10 »

That's a great experience Karen!

My personal beliefs are that we are consciousness, and that consciousness can exist in multiple realities at once.  In your case, you experienced the physical reality and the 'etheric' reality.  It's the multidimensional nature of our true selves, the self of us that is pure consciousness. 

It actually happens quite often... I had one such experience this past weekend.  Though it was only a dream awareness experience... I was sitting in an aisle in a grocery store and I felt 'someone' walk up behind me.  I initially believed it to be someone who worked at the store... yet, as I woke up, I realized that it was actually my girlfriend walking up behind me.  I was within a dream experience, yet at the same time I was bring in aspects from this physical reality into the dream.  We do this quite often throughout our lives. 

When I was younger, I used to get up out of bed often and my room would still have much of the dream imagery in it.  So much so, that I was actually still fully dreaming.  This is another example of experiencing more than one reality simultaneously.

Our consciousness is such an amazing thing.  Keep up the good work!  I look forward to reading more!  Smiley

Thanks Xanth for sharing!  I agree...I feel we are 'pure consciousness' in our true form, and it can recognize ourselves across many levels of reality if we are capable of understanding with our 'physical mind' to that degree.  I'm sure there is MUCH more depth to our 'awareness' than we can even fathom, but it's the glimpses we get with experiences such as these that keep us looking for more! Smiley    I feel OBEs are so much more than just a 'consciousness separation' into another 'body' ...as we are never truly separate from the multiple reality levels that exist all at once, it is just our ability to 'understand' that stops us.  This was definitely one of my most unusual experiences...to see me seeing me but neither 'body' being physical!!

Check out the next post here as I'd like to share a very insightful comment from a good friend...that talks about the dream imagery and our different 'bodies'...

Thanks again!
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 23:55:56 »

I'd just like to share here a very insightful post from a good friend who has always had the gift of understanding this process better than I...it was difficult enough to write what I experienced, but now with his help, I can understand it much better too!! Thanks Oliver!


Hello, Karen.

I think it's possible that this encounter occurred in the astral and mental bodies.

On the astral plane you experience normal dreams. You naturally switch your consciousness over into your astral body during sleep. The unresolved issues and emotions from the day start to act as powerful attractors for the surrounding the astral matter. A dream environment forms. This dream environment is experienced non-lucidly by the astral body and can facilitate a release of these energies. The astral body experiences this as real without question.

Seeing yourself in the dream environment indicates that your consciousness is not in the astral body. For one thing you can observe yourself from outside. This requires another body. Your switching back and forth between the bodies validates that - these are indeed both vehicles of your own consciousness awareness.

And this second body does not form a dream environment of its own! The astral body attracts this dream environment because it is of the same "matter" as the astral plane. The higher bodies are not - they are composed of the matter of the mental plane. They would not form a dream environment on the astral plane because - in the theosophical model of understanding - they are not of the matter of that plane.

So, that would be my guess. The etheric body - to my understanding - does not form a dream environment. According to Kurt two energy bodies are usually developed in tandem - so you can develop the etheric and astral bodies in parallel, and here you might be developing the astral and mental bodies in parallel. The higher body is then occasionally "glimpsed" while the lower body is the focus most of the time.

Kurt reports an experience with three bodies present in "Otherwhere" - I think. It's at least in one of his books, and might also be repeated in "The Multi-Dimensional Human." Robert reports a powerful "telepathic feedback" experience in AD when he encountered his own astral body. While I have not met myself, I have switched between different "levels" of myself during experiences as well.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2011, 16:28:29 »

143) Morning OBE from Astral Vision; Attempt at Meeting       4/7/11   

This OBE was again unusual, in that I wasn’t truly sure it WAS an OBE, until I remembered specific details that would not have occurred if I was ‘just dreaming’. 

Waking this morning, I realized I had no reason to get up right away, and so wanted to try to see if I could meet up astrally with a friend whom I chat with online.  I know I’ve ‘met up’ with others in physical before on my blog, but there is always some degree of uncertainty with it. 

Usually with this ‘just awakening’ time, I get a lot of astral vision type experiences, not always full OBEs.

I soon DID get an 'astral vision' where I knew I was on the bed AND viewing some sort of scene in front of me, but then I thought that maybe I could use THAT awareness to try to convert it to an OBE!

I was able to drift deeper, and was thrilled to feel vibrations! I knew I was going to!  BUT...I am aware now that I'm in a different bed and bedroom!! One from my childhood, the last one I had before I married and moved out....I knew it wasn't 'right' but I didn't want to question the vibrations and so I just rolled off and out!

Very easily, I was standing SO CLEAR on the side of THAT bed, and moved down the hallway out of the room, knowing I could put my hand through the wall to check if I wanted to (and did!) and then moved to the outside upstairs porch area (which is actually no longer there!)  I took the time to ‘feel’ the glass as I passed through the door, a specific clue I was OOB.

Once on the porch, I affirmed intensely that I wanted to go see my friend! I mentally screamed the name as I let myself 'fall' off the second story porch, again knowing I was OOB and could not get hurt. 

I was very disappointed to see that all I did was drift down to the ground.  I noticed it had just rained, a few young children were riding their bikes on the road in front of the house, and looking up I could see TWO beautiful rainbows! It all felt SO physical and out-of-body, as I consciously thought if I could remember the fact about the kids on the bikes and the rainbows, someone could verify it did happen that day once I returned to body!

So I try to fly, finding it difficult, but finally 'letting go' and allowing myself to float up, again affirming the name and the intention to meet.

BUT...<sigh>....I now find myself back in the bed (in my childhood bedroom), annoyed because someone is at the door giving me back my clean laundry in a bin, but all in disarray.  I get upset with her and slam the door, starting to clean up my belongings in the bedroom and fixing the laundry, only to realize the radio is on and I can HEAR my friend’s voice talking!  I know it’s him as there is a distinct accent and we’ve talked on the phone before.

I am so upset to think that I just had a chance to go 'see' him, but now he's still ONLY here across the electronic medium!!!  I wished I had paid attention to exactly what he was talking about so maybe I could verify it. It wasn't directed to me on the radio, but mentioned something about telling another male how to do something correctly.... I just didn't listen that carefully!

When I woke for real, finding myself in my own bed now, I at first wondered if it truly had been an OBE, but then, in review, I could remember thinking so clearly about things that would not have happened if it had been 'just a dream'.

So I supposed you could say I was barely successful in that I DID hear him talking, but it was quite unusual to have it from an OBE that occurred within an environment from my youth.  Also, I am happy to know that I can use my ‘astral vision’ to convert to an OBE if I wanted to!

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