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« on: July 18, 2011, 15:36:25 »

In my waking life i used to live in a flat since i was about 2 years old, i moved out about 4 years ago. but this morning, i seemed to have woken up in my astral or dream body form out of my old bunk bed i used to have as a child. Positive in my mind that i was astral projecting i looked at the bed to see if i could see myself, i could not see my physical body but i could see the indents of it on my bed and the moving around on my bed if you know what i mean (maybe it was the person who lives there now?. so anyway i start to say 'clarity now' and calm myself down in hope to have a more steady prolonged experience. i have been wanting to call for my spirit guide for a long time so i call out for her/him. immeadiatley she appears, a small girl, looks around the same age as me maybe a bit older. i give her a hug straight away. she doesnt seem very happy... she says i am not a tool to use (or something along those lines), i say of course not, i only wanted to meet you. I ask for her name she says Rachel. and i ask how long she has been watching over me and she says 15 years (im 18). i say wow, and from then i think i start to wake up.

so what are your guys thoughts? was it a dream or was i in an astral form? i mean im starting to question all reality now, dreams sometimes dont even seem to be 'just dreams', its like the dream world is an actual dimension of its own with its own dream body. and maybe sometimes we use other bodies which we dont even know about! such as the etheric body or some kind of unkown astral body, anyway excited to hear your thoughts as you guys will have more knowledge about spirit guides than i do, i have read something that you can also meet your spirit guides in meditation and dreams other than just the astral realm. thanks
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 16:16:01 »

Hi ElectromagneticMan.

It sounds like you have a firm belief that there is such a thing as spirit guides. You also have to remember that the astral world, dreams etc are subjective. This means that whatever you want or expect to happen, does indeed happen.

So, before you met your spirit guide. How did you envision he/she would be? If you thought it might be a girl about the same age as you. Then you could just think that what you saw was infact what expected to see, and that your own conciousness manifested this entity.

Also, you say the spirit guide was unhappy and accused you of just using her as a tool.  So ask yourself? How do you feel about people in the physical who do a lot of things for you?  Some poeple get rather concious that when someone else does something for them, that they could feel like you just think theyre a tool.  Which is why we show a lot of gratitude and want to repay them back in someway.  I personally wouldnt want anyone to think I'm using them.  So was this attitude of your spirit guide a manifestation of that?

It seems really difficult to determine if something is an external entity on the astral or manifested by yourself.  On the Frank Kepple guide he did a good job of explaining how to tell the difference.  Though he actually said it would become quite obvious over time.  Self manifested people just dont have the same fulness as actual external entities on the astral.

Thats just my thoughts anyway, based on what I have understood from reading. I havent had a great deal of experience myself with Astral Projection i'm afraid.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 16:32:55 »

yeah thats interesting to think of, how some spirit guides could be a full manisfestation of your mind, although i would have never thought of her  huh unless my subconcious says otherwise. thanks anyway, great answer
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 16:36:18 »

See, the thing here is... you shouldn't be asking us that question.  Because, honestly... we can't tell you one way or the other.
You should be asking YOURSELF.  Smiley

In the end, does it matter if it was a guide or not?  Would that change how you react to any information gained from the "being" in question?

For now, my suggestion, is not to worry about what you meet as being of a particular label or whatnot... just accept the information, write it down... log it all, until the day comes that you can look back on those logs and definitively say one way or the other what it is (personal truth though).  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 17:45:54 »

If I had been watching over you for 15 years and I finally got to meet you and have you acknowledge my presense I wouldnt tell you off for summoning me. I'd want to let you know how much love I have for you and that help is there.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 18:08:31 »

I believe in spirit guides. I've had helpers in dreams. You can also run into beings that aren't so helpful. I don't agree all dreams are entirely subjective. There is a subjective component but dreams are as real as waking reality.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 20:50:21 »

Actually, anything that gives you the sensation that you are not laying in bed can be regarded as an OOBE.  Notice that the term is pragmatic.  It does not affirm that one really leaves the body, it merely indicates that it is an EXPERIENCE.

OOBE = Out-of-body EXPERIENCE

In a lucid dream (and even the non-lucid ones for that matter), your awareness appears to be focusing elsewhere other than your physical body.

The astral projection term was made redundant by me because it is just misleading as projection experiences have nothing to do with "astral/celestial bodies" like stars and planets.  The world encountered is closer to the waking world than anything else and no different to a lucid dream (I don't care if people say it's different because it isn't - it is the same realm but we are the ones who perceive it in various degrees of awareness).

To conclude, the term Phase is very appropriate. To me it is all the same in three years of experience.  There is no difference.  It appears that one enters the realm of thoughts upon a separation from the body.  You enter the Phase, a different state of consciousness...period.

There is no astral or ethereal in my vocabulary.  It appears that one enters the realm of thoughts:  it includes dreams, imagination, memories, thoughts of possibilities and anything that your mind can conceive.  Even a seemingly accurate version of the physical realm (so-called RTZ) which could be nothing but a memory and manifestation from an active left side of the brain instead of the right one.  You want a spirit guide?  You'll get one!  Your mind can create anything whilst fully convincing you of its reality.  You can manifest things unconsciously while the conscious mind has no idea that it is completely subjective and concocted by its own psyche.  Want to play games in the Phase as though you are actually in them?  Imagine Quake or Gears of War in 3D!  You can!  What you imagine consciously, your mind can do a thousand times better unconsciously...

My two cents.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 15:20:56 »

hi Summerlander,

Interesting post, and I do agree with a lot of what you say on there. However do you believe that when we are in the phase, that we can communicate with each other, other entities, deceased people etc?  Or is this "phase" simply a manifestation in our own brains, and that the existence of it does not prove life after death?

Its just a lot of people have claimed to see things in the RTZ and then woke up to physical and verified its existence, or claim proof that they have spoken to a deceased one, or obtained information which was previously unknown to them whilst in the phase.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 16:28:01 »

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Interesting post, and I do agree with a lot of what you say on there. However do you believe that when we are in the phase, that we can communicate with each other, other entities, deceased people etc?  Or is this "phase" simply a manifestation in our own brains, and that the existence of it does not prove life after death?

Perhaps there is a collective side of your mind and not just a personal one.  Our minds could even be quantum entangled (if not the same mind seeing from different perspectives).  But they remain just theories.  I have experienced what appeared to be precognition once, but, the one that seems to stand out a lot more, especially after I conducted my own OOBE study, is telepathy.  I have strong suspicions that this can be enabled once an individual enters the Phase.

I have visited people in the Phase and all of them either confirmed to me that I appeared to have seen what was on their minds at the time or I seemed to have perceived slightly inaccurate replicas of what they were doing in actuality (I seemed to have seen the "gist" of what they were doing).  I could even speak to them in the Phase (though in actuality they remain unaware of this) and I wonder if I spoke to their unconscious selves and if the Phase may enable telepathic links between people.

Then I consider that people might have made associations between themselves and my experiences.  Could they have been real visits or coincidences?  I honestly don't know.  It could be possible.  But I am pretty sure that our imagination can also conceive anything we want and the unconscious mind is capable of convincing us of anything.  That how powerful it is.  Although some experiences may be real contact with the deceased, others may be fabrications.

The Phase does not prove that there is an afterlife, because, it is, after all, a state that one experiences while being alive.  When someone says that OOBEs and dreams are a glimpse of the afterlife...that is only speculation.  However, I am also a bit dubious that the brain produces anything.  It is just meat with chemical and electrical interactions.  To me the brain is like a computer with its many 'files' which are interpretations/views/information about the objective world. 

In a computer, the data had to come from somewhere, it had to be programmed...the computer itself did not create it.  So, it makes more sense to me that, apart from translating the signals it gets from the tangible reality, it may also interpret the signals it gets from that which is intangible.  The realm of thoughts would still be part of reality but may exist beyond ultrasonic frequencies (which the pineal gland may detect with its calcite crystals that appear to be piezoelectric in nature).

The realm of thoughts would be what many call "astral plane".  It really does exist even though it is extremely tenuous from the waking perspective.  When you daydream and your brain is on alpha mode, you are perceiving it slightly.  At night when you sleep and dream, the focus on that frequency improves.  In the Phase state (OOBEs and lucid dreams), you tend to experience it with the best clarity.

Such realm, call it the metaphysical realm if you will, which is very real, may be experienced both personally and collectively.  Whether the dead dwell there is another matter.  It sounds feasible though.

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Its just a lot of people have claimed to see things in the RTZ and then woke up to physical and verified its existence, or claim proof that they have spoken to a deceased one, or obtained information which was previously unknown to them whilst in the phase.

I've claimed this. LOL!  cheesy

I even visited a friend of mine (stoneZoMbIe on Astral Viewers) in the Phase, and he told me that around the time of my experience he'd felt funny and even said to his girlfriend that he felt as though he was supposed to remember someone or something.  In my experience, we were having a conversation and he was telling me how much he wanted to remember my visit.  In actuality, he was meditating at the time so it is possible that, in his meditative state, his brain waves were ideal in allowing him to perceive the metaphysical and thus making him partially aware of myself (who was fully focused there).  Possible.  But is this enough to convinced the whole world that there is something there or is it just enough to convince the parties involved (both the OOBEr and the visited)?

I also came to know about the existence of a girl that I had first seen in a Mode 1 OOBE (it had been my first experience!).  But then I wonder if I had actually seen her before but not remember.  Could my subconscious, which registers everything, have brought it to my attention when I entered the Phase?  What is fact when we are dealing with something so elusive.  You see where I am coming from?  As Xanth said, these things can only be proved on a subjective level.  Here's my advice for everyone though: believe in whatever you think can happen in the Phase.  Do whatever comes to your mind and don't think anything is impossible there.  This way there are no barriers. wink
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2011, 17:51:15 »

See, the thing here is... you shouldn't be asking us that question.  Because, honestly... we can't tell you one way or the other.
You should be asking YOURSELF.  Smiley

In the end, does it matter if it was a guide or not?  Would that change how you react to any information gained from the "being" in question?

For now, my suggestion, is not to worry about what you meet as being of a particular label or whatnot... just accept the information, write it down... log it all, until the day comes that you can look back on those logs and definitively say one way or the other what it is (personal truth though).  Wink

good point  smiley
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 17:53:22 »

Actually, anything that gives you the sensation that you are not laying in bed can be regarded as an OOBE.  Notice that the term is pragmatic.  It does not affirm that one really leaves the body, it merely indicates that it is an EXPERIENCE.

OOBE = Out-of-body EXPERIENCE

In a lucid dream (and even the non-lucid ones for that matter), your awareness appears to be focusing elsewhere other than your physical body.

The astral projection term was made redundant by me because it is just misleading as projection experiences have nothing to do with "astral/celestial bodies" like stars and planets.  The world encountered is closer to the waking world than anything else and no different to a lucid dream (I don't care if people say it's different because it isn't - it is the same realm but we are the ones who perceive it in various degrees of awareness).

To conclude, the term Phase is very appropriate. To me it is all the same in three years of experience.  There is no difference.  It appears that one enters the realm of thoughts upon a separation from the body.  You enter the Phase, a different state of consciousness...period.

There is no astral or ethereal in my vocabulary.  It appears that one enters the realm of thoughts:  it includes dreams, imagination, memories, thoughts of possibilities and anything that your mind can conceive.  Even a seemingly accurate version of the physical realm (so-called RTZ) which could be nothing but a memory and manifestation from an active left side of the brain instead of the right one.  You want a spirit guide?  You'll get one!  Your mind can create anything whilst fully convincing you of its reality.  You can manifest things unconsciously while the conscious mind has no idea that it is completely subjective and concocted by its own psyche.  Want to play games in the Phase as though you are actually in them?  Imagine Quake or Gears of War in 3D!  You can!  What you imagine consciously, your mind can do a thousand times better unconsciously...

My two cents.

yeah ive had loads of video-game-induced-dreams, there a lot of fun!
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2011, 19:03:58 »

Why buy a console, right?  grin
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2011, 19:25:24 »

I am also a bit dubious that the brain produces anything.  It is just meat with chemical and electrical interactions.  To me the brain is like a computer with its many 'files' which are interpretations/views/information about the objective world.
That is exactly my view, too. Mind does not and cannot arise from matter. I still deem it a preposterous hypothesis (unfortunately dogma in mainstream science). It's a computer, yeah, actually the whole body is one, a bio-computer. To quote Mr Icke: I compute therefore I am. And what is a computer? It is a device that is USED by a USER.  smiley
Why should we care too much for what the underlying technology is, what the exact 'mechanics' and necessary components are (neuronic networks, glands, whatever) that make it possible to USE it and make it work to experience this world we call 'the physical'. Let science find it out for us. But it cannot explain the experience and self-experience itself, as many neuroscientist would like to do. In their helplessness they call us an 'illusion' and postulate the lack of 'free will'.
As to storage, I would even go so far as to say that the files that you mention don't exist in the brain either (as any thought or experience does not), not even memory. It is most probably nonlocally stored (in fields, in quantum 'space'?, however we like to call it) and just retrieved by the computer (brain-body) R.A.M device to be used when needed ('on demand'), but the computer itself is used as always only by the consciousness it-SELF. Btw, same goes for cell memory where DNA or cell ID receptors on the membranes (as biologist B. Lipton hyothesises, thus calling it 'mem-BRAIN') might play a vital role to connect to the info stored in these 'fields'.

Anyway, I digress.... on topic, as to the guides: well, I have a lot 'going on' with invisible or sometimes visible helpers. In the end, it does not matter too much if they are 'other persons' or part of your own sub-/superconscious (the latter being the total self), as long as they are ... well .. helpers and thus ... helpful.

Personally, I came to the conclusion that I meanwhile, while lucid as well as in dreams, experienced both kinds: higherself/subcon persons and "other" entities as helpers. But that is just an impression and of course: subjective. However, recently I heard a helpers voice (two times!!) that was more of a manifestation, not telepathic. Maybe she modulated vibrationally my eardrums, or my nervus cochlea or even created it directly in my brain? No idea, but it was a manifestation. She really 'spoke' to me and I really 'heard' it. The same, however, could be true of my subcon/HS, which I once 'heard' myself speaking  - in another (female! and very beautiful) voice.

So are 'guides' real (no matter what their origin is)? Yes, for me they are. The many interesting spiritual / metaphysical books on this topic (including AP or regression therapy literature, such as Monroe, Moen, Weiss, Newton and co.) confirm this insight to me further, but so far I could also assert it for myself now from my own experience.

Some projectors claim they don't have help and so they do not exist. Hmm, well, however, I think they might be mistaken here because that does not mean they're not there. It's because most of the times helpers 'stay in the background', invisible. So they might not notice it when they get help (and they do probably all the time). Even for me they are most of the times invisible. I can feel them more often than I see them, actually.  Somtimes I 'mind-sight' them. Sometimes when I felt they were not there but maybe they were, who knows?
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2011, 20:17:02 »

Nice one!

I'd also like to add that if you find yourself helping a stranger in a Phase environment, you might be their "helper" unknowingly.  I have helped quite a few who seemed lost and confused.  Whether they are sentient or not, it doesn't matter.  I help them because they might be.  I think the experience isn't just personal, I definitely see where you are coming from.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2011, 21:28:10 »

lol I'd never though that others might think of me as their helper. I do find myself float-lifting people quite often, trying to show them they can flly and explaining stuff to them.
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 I think it makes us all feel warm and safe inside to know that someone is watching over us. I have seen many aides in the Astral Plane. One of which is my deceased Brother in Law. I could understand that one because of the emotional attachment. But the others, I have never seen these people in my life. As of the question of us as helpers, that could be the reason why we have chosen this path in the first place. It is interesting how you are shown a scene, then have to figure out for yourself how to aid the person who is lost or needs to be rescued. There are some really unique ways to rescue these people too, since everything and anything in the Astral is possible.
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2011, 06:26:35 »

that's dope as hell dude. I've met a female guide my age before too. I actually see her in dreams now, but i never get to talk to her in them. It was definitely an astral projection I'd say. I usually see the impression of invisible matter on my sheets, but not my body. I also once found myself in my old room in my last home. but it was more of a place that I wished to travel. i'd say it was a full on astral projection. if it is genuinely your guide, I dont know. Because you might have begun to lose consciousness and started slipping into a dream, making her appear and speak to you. With expectations of a guide appearing, you can sometimes create that in a projection or lucid dream that you believe to be a projection. but either way, you were still phasing. The experience can still be held as true, you decide what is true in your travels.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2011, 06:50:40 »

I believe I've met mine too. She was nothing like I imagined, I actually thought I'd have a male guide, but I guess the sex of the person really doesn't matter. I had an incident where she got annoyed with me too for asking too many questions. I think you met her, since I assume like me, you know when you are very aware and conscious or weak and know if what you witnessed while projecting was real or possibly not.
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