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« on: November 23, 2003, 01:00:02 »

Ive found that it can be helpful for meditation and chakra work, I seem to be able to clear my mind better and can feel the energy flow through me better, however i've not yet had an OBE on or off weed , most of the people here say it's detrimental to OBE's though.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2003, 02:00:49 »

In my opinion, all weed does (and other hallucinagenic (sp?) drugs) is that it lowers the sheath that we've all constructed to separate our physical senses from our astral ones.

In other words, when you get high, you are more perceptive of non-physical things.  However, this blessing is it's own curse, IMO, because it also hinders a lot of your mental control.

It's kind of like giving you the keys to a huge semi-truck.  Yes, you know how to drive, but driving one of those bad boys is really different than your little mini-cooper!

I prefer to stick to OBE's the natural way, where I still possess all of my mental faculties, and thereby assuring that the experience is genuine and not just a product of my mind tripping out.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2003, 02:00:49 »

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2003, 02:55:02 »

Salvia Divinorium and Blue Lotus would work alot better than marijuana. Things like DMT, ayahuasca, etc, work pretty much instantly though. only problem is that DMT is illegal [xx(]
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2003, 14:02:43 »

I have had some startling visions on weed myself...but I agree, for the most part it, along with other drugs, in the end work against our goals.  If we wish to travel the atral planes, especially the higher astral planes, we must work on our spiritual development, and part of that is respecting our bodies and taking the time and discipline to work towards our goal...trying to circumvent that process is not possible in the end.

But as I said, I myself have had expereiences on different drugs, and I do consider them valid experiences....without which, I may not be traveling down the path i am currently traveling....it is a trade off i guess.

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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2003, 23:05:08 »

As an occasional pot smoker myself I'm not going to come across as the moralistic do-gooder preaching on the evils of drugs. If you what to smoke weed, that's fine by me.  I will however support Jeff's stance that it can be more of a curse where it comes to OBE's

This certainly isn't the first time this questions been raised, and it won't be the last. Bottom line - until you have a LOT of experience with  OBEs and controlling them - in other words, you know how to get where you want to go in the astral and know how to deal with all the experiences it can throw at you - DONT USE DRUGS TO GET YOU THERE. Because you will not have any control over where "there" is. There are "boundries" in the astral that are determined by ones skills and abilities. Drugs tend to break those boundries and can take you places you might not be equipped to deal with.

These kind of questions come up a lot and is thought to be ok because shamans use natural DMT based drugs to assist in their spiritual work. Let me use another analogy to try and put across the point here -
 
A skilled carpenter can make some wonderful things using power tools.
Somebody who isn't trained and experienced in their use is either going to botch the job, or worse, injure themselves. The same is true when using drugs for OBEs. The effects for the untrained can be anything from an uncontrolled experience that makes no sense, to really scaring yourself silly or p*ssing off some neg, both of which can go a long way to making your life hell for some time after.

This is one shortcut that really isn't worth it in the long run.

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2003, 03:44:17 »

The purpose of any drug is to alter ones perception of reality.  Some are positive, some are negative, but all are some form of escape from reality, even if just a mild one.  I don't see why weed couldn't help you in even inducing an OBE, but I don't think it would push you over that tresh-hold.  What I mean is, if you can't have an OBE then I doubt being stoned is going to be the factor that brings success.  And if you are stoned when you have one, then there is no reason to believe that you cant have one sober as well.  And really, during an OBE you want to have the perception that is as close to truth as you can come.  Other wise, what do you really learn from it?  So though I don't doubt weed may alter the experience, it's a good possibility that it will alter the true reality of the experience, and therefor when you are back in your body pondering what happened, you may interpret the message wrong, and that would make the experience less beneficial to your development.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2003, 18:05:06 »

thanks for your input:) i had been wondering about that for a while, one reason being that when you are high, you tend to feel like you're being lifted, and when i consciously attempted to project from that, i could literally physically feel it. i associated that with your soul trying to leave the body.  i don't know if that's correct or not, but that's what brought up the question.  
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2003, 18:12:26 »

For me I kind of look at it as training. Like another posted, I can feel etheric energy better, can meditate better. it gives me a edge in certain areas, or so it seems. it does not stop me from meditating when i do not smoke or consume. Asprin is a drug. You take many many drugs, and your body produces many different chemicals as it is. it is about how you go about it and what you do. if you just relax and use it like any other tool you should be fine. if you abuse anything in life, yourself, your car, drugs (which include simple things like coffee) then it can be a problem. some people have stereotypes and negative impressions of marijuana. there are many unture myths as well. Most people that use marijuana are normal everyday people. there are alot of doctors, university professors and such people who  smoke pot. some people just choice not too tell anyone because of the way society thinks and regards it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2003, 18:56:43 »

In my experience, it kills my energy and I can't focus.  Using it daily kills my motivation to do anything constructive, it also supresses my dreams.  I went about three years without remembering one dream because of the use of pot.

Oh, and if weed is classified as a hallucinogen, it shouldn't be.  I've seen anything.  If you want a spiritual experience off of drugs try shrooms [Wink].  Although I agree with James S, you are most likely going to scare the sh*t out of yourself (on shrooms/LSD), without prior experience.  Even then, it may be detrimental to overall development, I really don't know.


Also, It may just be my mind, but I think that the drug itself may have an entity (like peyote in Carlos Casteneda's books).  Whenever I broke myself of being a pot-head (wasn't easy), I get really whiny and negative, and I dream of smoking, etc...  I get the feeling that if weed is an entity, it's jealous and doesn't want you to leave it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2003, 19:20:23 »

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In my experience, it kills my energy and I can't focus.  Using it daily kills my motivation to do anything constructive, it also supresses my dreams.  I went about three years without remembering one dream because of the use of pot.

Oh, and if weed is classified as a hallucinogen, it shouldn't be.  I've seen anything.  If you want a spiritual experience off of drugs try shrooms [Wink].  Or, don't use drugs.


That is exactly what happened to me...for a year I didn't remember one darn dream..not even a hint of one.[xx(]

So, I quit..and BAM! they came back full force.[Cheesy]

Nay.[Wink]
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2003, 19:45:30 »

that is a shame for you guys. I have wonderful dreams. If you abuse anything, it will have negative effects. just using though is not abusing. you don't even have too smoke it. check out www.marijuana.com and click on the myths link...
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2003, 23:51:06 »

I have perfect dream recollection and more vivid dreams than normal, although, I do sleep in another 2 hours or so =p
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2003, 01:02:05 »

When my friend [Wink] smokes weed 2 consecutive days, she does not remember any dreams. But when she is high, it is easier for her to project or move a psi wheel.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2003, 03:15:33 »

LOL!  All these people that smoke pot makes me want to light a bowl. LOL!  Oh and Beavis, i'm glad your friend [Wink] [Wink] is making progresss!
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2003, 09:17:17 »

for me weed helped me get to the vibration stage i believe but im still having a little trouble trying to get out. Today for example i smoked and tried it. I got to the state i just couldn't leave my body. I felt seperated but i couldn't get out. i let my mind wander and i started up with all this other stuff. i think ill try some more sober.
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2003, 13:54:08 »

I think my problem with using drugs to project is this (and by the way, I have no problems with weed or anything like that).

Many people will smoke weed, thinking of it as a "tool" to help them project.  Well, let's say that it works in your case, and you project. Now what happens is you're unconsciously forming preconceptions that somehow, someway, the weed was the magic key to your success.  After all, smoking weed + laying down equaled a projection, whereas you never had one without smoking weed, so bingo!  There's the secret!

However, I have seen no evidence that any drug helps your success to failure ratio for OBE's.  In other words, if you don't use any drugs, you may fail your first 10 times at projecting before having a successful experience.  But using drugs, you may succeed once right away, and then fail ten times afterwards, but you don't focus on the failures because the "high" of the drug is beneficial in itself.

What I'm saying is that I have yet to see a "magic drug" which causes OBE's 100% of the time.  If anything, if you fail at projecting, it just leaves you feeling real good.  So then you start to depend on the drug, because after all, if you don't have an OBE, well at least you have a nice after-effect to fall back on.

Not sure if this makes any sense, and again, I'm not some anti-drug guy.  I just don't want people to think that some drug is a substitute for learning how to mentally achieve these altered states of consciousness, because once you start thinking the drug can do this for you all the time, you start depending on it to do this work for you, and you end up suffering in the long run.

Just my two and half cents.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2003, 04:20:40 »

haha good point!
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2003, 05:10:24 »

Yea, the worst thing you can do is become dependant on drugs to do energy work and such..
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2003, 16:54:41 »

If you want to try being stoned while practicing then I think you should reallly only try to get out of the experience something that you can apply to your life while not being stoned.
THis in my opinion would be the feeling of being relaxed and the feeling of eurphoria aswell as not being able to feel your body.
When you know what it feels like then it is easier when you are sober to recount those feelings that will bring you closer.
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2003, 23:33:11 »

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If you want to try being stoned while practicing then I think you should reallly only try to get out of the experience something that you can apply to your life while not being stoned.


That sounds pretty good to me. It might also be a good idea to try or achieve something sober before doing it stonned or high or whatever.
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2003, 15:20:57 »

As an occasional pot smoker id say that pot does not help at all with OBE's. Ive tried it and it seems to help, seems like im getting closer, faster, but i never get there, i just fall asleep. In addition when I tried to visualize something, it would appear distorted, which to me suggests that i was lacking focus.

I used to smoke it quite a lot and its effects on short term memory are very noticeable. In agreement with what Nay said, i can never remember my dreams for at least a day afterwards. Memories of dreams and memories of AP's appear to be VERY similar, so it's likely that if you cant remember dreams, then neither will you remember any AP's.

I like the occasional smoke [Wink] but for me it's a social thing, something to be done with friends. In any case, its not good practice to smoke pot every night in the hope of having an AP, you'll just end up a walking zombie.

Anyway, thats my input
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2003, 18:26:41 »

that's kinda weird that no one remembers their dreams when high (or soon thereafter) b/c when i get high i don't have very good sleep, but i end up dreaming most of the night, with very vivid dreams.  
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2003, 21:15:36 »

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Salvia Divinorium and Blue Lotus would work alot better than marijuana. Things like DMT, ayahuasca, etc, work pretty much instantly though. only problem is that DMT is illegal [xx(]


I don't know if this has been commented on given I'm not really interested in reading all these pages right now but:

I think 5 meo-DMT is legal (not sure how it is in comparison to real DMT), for "research purposes" from various online vendors.... but... DMT is supposedly insanely intense and therefore I wouldn't recommend it to any novice drug users.

Same for ayahuasca, supposedly it's about intense as you can get?
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2003, 21:28:03 »

Yea, all the DMT and AMT drugs are the strongest things in existance, which is probably why their both illegal, although, things like ayahuasca are legal. DMT and AMT both classified as the most powerful hallicinagenic substances, thousands of times stronger than acid, except the effects resemble all the experiences of OBE's, like hearing popping or crackling noises, and being thrown into other dimensions.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2003, 17:02:33 »

Well as far as Weed, Lucid Dreams, and AP's go, I had a very interesting expierience this week.

First off, like many others, if I smoke pot my dream recall sucks. Ok, for the last few days before I had my AP, I was smoking pot everyday. Then I decided to stop for a little while. The first night that I went to sleep and hadnt smoked during the day I had my first AP. At first i was dreaming, after a little while I relized i was dream, so it became lucid, after being lucid for about 1 min everything went black. Before I know it it felt like my body vertically did a 180 degree turn/flip, meaning I was lying on my stomach, and it was like a got flipped to my back.

Now that i felt like I was on my back I could feel my eyes closed but it was like i could see something on the back of my eyelids. It was the ceiling in my room. I got up and started moving around for a little while before it ended. The most interesting thing about this expirience is that it wasnt like i was looking out from my eyes, but more consiousness of whats there. Its hard for me to explain but I am sure some others who have AP'ed know what im talking about.

Well to get back on subject, I also agree that drugs should not be used to gain an OBE, because is will alter the expirience, and the last thing you want to do is become dependent on a substance for your astral journeys. And like others I have tried to project while faded, but didnt really get anywhere except my mind creating some wild thoughts lol.

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