Be careful.

[Pauli2]

Moen has also put forward an alternative explanation of the BST levels, as they are state of minds too, which in the astral can map to areas over a populated region.

Take one Hell for example; the Town of Mental Sadists.

In the city core the worst mental sadists live, they torture each other with embarrassing situations and get joy from it when they torture others. The city core is in Focus 24.

In the suburbs and surroundings of the Town are the less sadistic persons. The suburb lays in Focus 25.

The countryside is less heavily populated and less prone to mental sadistic encounters. The countryside is in Focus 26.


Some people might even bond in pair relations in Focus 24, the city core. The individuals in the pair relation will then experiences some PUL to each other and decide by themselves to move to the outside of the Town of Mental Sadists, they have now also moved to Focus 25 and have come closer to The Park.

Eventually a guide can do a retrieval (with an incarnated APer) and pick the sadistic couple up and move them to Focus 27.

[AlanRK]

Mmm, I don't end up in malls much, but I personally do not think you are experiencing some dream/hallucination/subconscious creation or whatever. I have to wonder about the experience level of those who are constantly referring to "subconscious areas" like this, as it does not line up with my own experiences or with the experiences of those I've spoken to who are quite a great deal experienced. Also, what is the need to over-intellectualize astral locations? You do realize that in attempting to catagorize something super-dimensional from the physical, you are limiting and closing off potentials? IMO leave the higher dimensional location planning to people who live in the astral or those who are experienced enough, over-intellectualizing it like this serves no purpose except to confuse, mostly yourself. If it's really that important to you then go into the astral and ask a knowledgable spirit about how the astral is organized. Hearing(feeling) directly from a local inhabitant is immensely superior to forming all of these theories and conclusions third-hand.

[CFTraveler]

I have to wonder about the experience level of those who are constantly referring to "subconscious areas" like this, as it does not line up with my own experiences or with the experiences of those I've spoken to who are quite a great deal experienced.

Well, I for one have been projecting ever since I was around ten (earlier, really) and I'm 53.

Also, what is the need to over-intellectualize astral locations?

That has to do with percipient's personalities.  Intellectuals will intellectualize, emotional people will feel more, and doers will do.


 

[Naykid]

I'm an emotional doer. 

[AlanRK]

I'm a tragic intellectual too, but I'm smart enough to see the intense danger in too much theory, abstractness, and lack of experience.

[MilesB]

My opinion might not mean much, but whenever I feel scared about something I try to fill myself up with love. I try to imagine love inside me and all around me. This usually helps eat up any evil/fear I feel around me but not always because I will allow the fear to be stronger sometimes. It might work, idk maybe consider it next time you feel like you're in the presence of negative energy. Also, just in general, it seems that thinking about light and love helps to overcome and consume negative energies.

This may seem stupid or difficult to implement, but it really does work if you can just allow yourself to be filled up with love.

[Bedeekin]

Mmm, I don't end up in malls much, but I personally do not think you are experiencing some dream/hallucination/subconscious creation or whatever. I have to wonder about the experience level of those who are constantly referring to "subconscious areas" like this, as it does not line up with my own experiences or with the experiences of those I've spoken to who are quite a great deal experienced. Also, what is the need to over-intellectualize astral locations? You do realize that in attempting to catagorize something super-dimensional from the physical, you are limiting and closing off potentials? IMO leave the higher dimensional location planning to people who live in the astral or those who are experienced enough, over-intellectualizing it like this serves no purpose except to confuse, mostly yourself. If it's really that important to you then go into the astral and ask a knowledgable spirit about how the astral is organized. Hearing(feeling) directly from a local inhabitant is immensely superior to forming all of these theories and conclusions third-hand.

I'll second that.

[Summerlander]

I went in the astral once and asked an old man if he knew where we were...he told me "I don't know"...then I spoke to a woman wearing a rather large hat, like Molly from the Titanic...the woman seemed to speak to me in Polish. Next I was in a strange house and I met harlequin-like beings. They seemed a bit cartoon-like, exaggerated but full of life...and pale skinned. It never occurred to me to speak to them and they never spoke either. I hugged one of them while the other smirked at me and stared at me ominously...then I woke up.

I've never really had any answers from any of the beings I've met...or no answers that I really understood. Most of them seemed confused, some patronising...others indifferent to me...the most mysterious I've met was a hooded being who confused me even more.

Places have been, dark voids, forests, fairytale land, strange cities, strange rooms, nurseries, construction sites, bedroom/house simulations, space (but weird space), galleries and I think that is it...I can't recall any more...oh yeah...once a weird bubble inside a mirror where I rescued a little girl. That was strange.

No answers. No bonking answers...just experience. That's all there is for me.

[Pauli2]

No answers. No bonking answers...

What's your questions?

[Summerlander]

These are different instances:

Who are you?

answer: *screeching and whistling then shown images of nurseries and children*

Where am I?

answer: I don't know

another instance...

answer: We are only five miles from where you are physically...()

What??

answer: *just laughed at me*

Other times the beings I meet seem dumber than me or just stare at me.

And even if I got some sort of answer about the true nature of these experiences, I'd still wouldn't know anything because for all I know, my unconscious might have concocted it for my peace of mind.

[Pauli2]

Have you asked for guides? Or asked for whoever is attending you from somewhere? Like Waggoner, when he asks the dream creator in his LDs.

could these places u go to be retrieval spots?

[Summerlander]

Could be. I performed a "ritual" I found in a book in order to send a message to spirit guides two weeks before I had my unexpected encounter with veiled figures and a hooded being. But communication wasn't great...

[sonoraroach]

wow. I learned a lot reading all those opinions. fascinating.