Frank Kepple- Astral Projection Truth Newsletter

[Naykid]

Pauli, I really do get the feeling that your reading comprehension is either very low... or you haven't actually really read a word Frank ever wrote.

I'm sorry, but that's just how it appears.  Cause I've read lots of experiences.
I'd HIGHLY suggest you go back to reading the PDF I compiled.  His posts were full of experiences mixed with his own personal truths.

Sure, there might not have been as many as *YOU* expected to see as you've been reading stuff from Moen and Buhlman (who are still alive, mind you).  But the experiences are definitely there.  I think part of your problem, Pauli, is that you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in that you're discounting other people's experiences when they don't hash 100% with Monroes or Moens, for example.  Actually, after our long conversations we've had lately, I can pretty much assure you of this.

Did you just insult someone's intelligence, right out of the gate?      

[Xanth]

Did you just insult someone's intelligence, right out of the gate?      

No Nay, if I wanted to insult someone's intelligence, I'd call them stupid.  Pauli isn't stupid. 
You know full well I didn't mean it in that capacity, so please stop trying to find arguments where none exist.  Some might construe that as instigating.
And if Pauli has a problem with anything I say, Pauli can PM me personally about them.  He is, afterall, part of the clique.  LoL

I know, for a fact, that there are plenty of experiences Frank shared, I read them myself.
I'm just curious as to how Pauli seemingly missed them or overlooked them somehow.

[Pauli2]

Pauli, I really do get the feeling that your reading comprehension is either very low... or you haven't actually really read a word Frank ever wrote.

I'm sorry, but that's just how it appears.  Cause I've read lots of experiences.
I'd HIGHLY suggest you go back to reading the PDF I compiled.  His posts were full of experiences mixed with his own personal truths.

I have read a lot of what Frank wrote. Part of that reading resulted in the review starting this thread.

Let's recap:


1. There are experiences by Frank that fit Focus Levels above Focus 22, but those experiences are few. Very few.

2. Some of Frank's experiences are corny and don't fit into the Monroe/Moen image. As long as Frank did explicitly state that his experience was in accordance to Monroe, and Frank at the same time writes something contradictory (as the church-Mary story) I tend to regard that Frank experience as F 22 only. To impress me, Frank either had to state: (A) Monroe was wrong. or (B) Frank gave a sane explain to his contradiction. As this seldom/never is done, I view that as the most important reason to regard Frank being a Master of Focus 22.

3. When Frank wrote explicit details about any experience above Focus 22, it was almost always in company with Frank's guide. This fact also leads me to the conclusion that Frank never made it beyond Focus 22 on his own.

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I found your PDF from the web page http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/01/frank-kepples-astral-pulse-posts/ . Now Xanth, I look at your PDF, which is impressive in size, as it is 1187 pages long. That is a PDF in the size of a book! Surely there _must_ be some experiences of Frank in such a big PDF?

Frank's posts in your PDF are numbered it seems. Can you give me 3 (three) detailed experiences by Frank, where Frank is _not_ accompanied by his guide, and where Frank's experiences are something else than Focus 22? You could refer to the numbers in your PDF.

As I know Frank has had such experiences, you may just be able to pick some of those few gems, which seem plausible to be experiences from higher Focus Levels.

Give me three experiences from that big PDF, where Frank speaks in details about some kind of astral experience, _without_ the help of his guide.

If you pick them wisely, I will apology to you, and give you the satisfaction of seeing me go down in flames.

So... Give me three.

[Xanth]

2. Some of Frank's experiences are corny and don't fit into the Monroe/Moen image.

That's all I needed to hear Pauli.

So... Give me three.

Do your own dirty work, sir.
I think I'm done with anything you've got to say regarding Frank, Pauli.  You're completely out of touch and way off base.
You've been listening to the folks over on Moens forums a little too much, in my humble opinion... yes, I've seen the threads.  Nothing but closed-minded Frank-bashing going on over there.  Which saddens me, cause I respected some of those people... highly.  Meh.

[testing]

I have read a lot of what Frank wrote. Part of that reading resulted in the review starting this thread.

Let's recap:


1. There are experiences by Frank that fit Focus Levels above Focus 22, but those experiences are few. Very few.

2. Some of Frank's experiences are corny and don't fit into the Monroe/Moen image. As long as Frank did explicitly state that his experience was in accordance to Monroe, and Frank at the same time writes something contradictory (as the church-Mary story) I tend to regard that Frank experience as F 22 only. To impress me, Frank either had to state: (A) Monroe was wrong. or (B) Frank gave a sane explain to his contradiction. As this seldom/never is done, I view that as the most important reason to regard Frank being a Master of Focus 22.

3. When Frank wrote explicit details about any experience above Focus 22, it was almost always in company with Frank's guide. This fact also leads me to the conclusion that Frank never made it beyond Focus 22 on his own.

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I found your PDF from the web page http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/01/frank-kepples-astral-pulse-posts/ . Now Xanth, I look at your PDF, which is impressive in size, as it is 1187 pages long. That is a PDF in the size of a book! Surely there _must_ be some experiences of Frank in such a big PDF?

Frank's posts in your PDF are numbered it seems. Can you give me 3 (three) detailed experiences by Frank, where Frank is _not_ accompanied by his guide, and where Frank's experiences are something else than Focus 22? You could refer to the numbers in your PDF.

As I know Frank has had such experiences, you may just be able to pick some of those few gems, which seem plausible to be experiences from higher Focus Levels.

Give me three experiences from that big PDF, where Frank speaks in details about some kind of astral experience, _without_ the help of his guide.

If you pick them wisely, I will apology to you, and give you the satisfaction of seeing me go down in flames.

So... Give me three.

I remember Frank saying Monroe was wrong about something, what it was I don't remember. I also remember Frank saying he stopped sharing his experiences towards the later years because they were so personal. I also remember him saying he didn't need a guide anymore, that was something in the beginning he thought he needed.

[Naykid]

Do you recall what years these were, testing?  I don't remember him saying that stuff, but it could have been before I got here.

[testing]

Frank:


As you know, I started by following the Monroe model, more or less, but the past few years I
have been branching out developing my own model of consciousness to incorporate
actions/events that, to me, appear outside of the traditional Monroe framework of events. I‟m not
saying the Monroe model is flawed, so please no one get me wrong. But it is only a model of
consciousness at the end of the day (albeit a darned good one) and time moves on.
The problem with the Monroe model, as I see it, is that it strongly suggests an entirely linear
progression, from Focus C1 through to Focus 35. Now, I would suggest from my experience
that, up to Focus 21, the various mental states do tend to flow as described with little discord
from the published “ideal”. By ideal, I mean the official output presented by the Monroe Institute
that everyone tends to parrot. You know, Focus 10, mind awake body asleep; Focus 12, state of
expanded awareness; Focus 15, no time… etc.
Now, the big problem with the Monroe model, if I may be so bold as to fly in the face of the man
himself, is that “beyond” Focus 21 the supposed linearity of the model begins to disintegrate
rapidly, in my experience. The problem is, for most people, once you lose all semblance of
physical grounding then everything just tends to get very, “here and there”. Maybe, if one could
retain absolute concentration, the suggested linearity of the model could hold up beyond F27.
But I just can‟t see it, because I simply cannot find the structure that holds it up. Focus 27 is the
practical limit as far as I am concerned. I‟ve tried and tried and tried, and I just can‟t make it
work beyond F27.
From Focus 27, you have to incorporate the notion of parallel realities. As you know, what you
don‟t incorporate you blind yourself towards. But you can blind yourself to parallel realities all
you like up to Focus 27, as there are no parallel realities you come across in that event… if…
you are following the model construct as it is laid out.
Something tells me Focus 35 was the Monroe Institute‟s attempt to create a “parallel reality”
construct that rather went down okay with the people who were paying the fees for the courses.
I‟m not trying to infer any kind of dodgy dealing, or anything. But beyond the Monroe-model
F27, everything expands out into an expanse that is difficult to encapsulate. No words can
explain it, well, no simple strings of words, let‟s say. You have to experience it to believe it; and
if no simple strings of words can explain it then it can‟t be sold, it can‟t be marketed, and all the
rest of it.
So the concept of Focus 35 was born.


-page 872

[Xanth]

Here's the exact link:  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/wave_1_and_general_phasing_questions-t15371.0.html;msg147110#msg147110

I did wanna point out this gem of a paragraph as well:

The problem is, there is no place in consciousness that we don’t currently occupy. So we can’t “travel” anywhere. We are already everywhere. Therefore, there is nowhere we can go to where we weren’t already at before we arrived. So the notion of travelling to a place must surely be illusionary. In other words, the act of engaging in a model of consciousness that necessitates “travel” must ultimately lead to some degree of perceptual distortion in the translation between the subjective and the objective states. I would also suggest that the more complex the model, the more perceptual distortion people would lend themselves open to.

My thoughts exactly.

This is the stuff, Pauli, that I feel you'll never understand... or at the very least, will take you a very long time because of your inability to set aside your analytical behaivour.
You'll never understand the concept that each person is going to experience things differently.
I've tried to expound that upon you for the last couple months... and it's literally gone in one ear and out the other.

Frank ultimately had many different experiences from Monroe... and Monroe from Moen... and Moen from others.
YOU, Pauli, will have vastly different experiences to everyone here.  However, you won't see them as such cause you're so willing to throw them aside cause they don't match Monroes... or Moens.  You *HAVE* already done this... multiple times.

Definitely bookmarking that thread for future reading.  Thanks again testing. 

[testing]

Well...don't take my word for it, I just slightly remember some things he said, which I have no proof of

Frank "on guides":



Regarding “guides” I dislike using the actual term these days as it‟s like the word “chakra” in a
way. There are just too many mystical belief constructs attached to the point where it all starts
getting silly. People talking about everyone having “guardian angels” assigned to them and all
that kind of thing. But there are people who will be taking an interest in your journey, let‟s say.
Members of what I call your non-physical family who you can contact within Monroe‟s focus
27. Here, you will come across all kinds of people who will greet you like an old friend and you
haven‟t the faintest idea who they are. But that‟s just another thing you get used to. With the
whole guide thing you have to be very careful you don‟t trip up over yourself and start creating
various aspects of yourself within Focus 2 in order to fill the need for a “guide”. Each of us has
many, many different aspects of ourselves that we create within Focus 2 for all manner of
purposes. People who subscribe to mystical belief constructs such as a “higher self” often meet
aspects they have created within Focus 2 in order to satisfy this purpose (not that they actually
see it that way). As a general rule, you have to be very, very careful regarding Focus 2. It‟s a real
sneaky area that can catch you out if you are not careful.

`page 1061



Hi:
I tend to stay away from the whole notion of "guides" in a mystical sense. I used to use the word
but dropped it a while ago as there is just too many mystical belief constructs attached.
The plain and simple fact is, if you lend yourself open to the concept of guidance then there are
many "people" non-physical who will give you a helping hand. If you listen to the mystics it's
like we are all "assigned" guides and we each have a guardian angel, blah, blah, blah.
Simply, if you hold yourself open to the concept you will guide you, it really is as simple as that.
It'll take a little while perhaps for the idea to become comfortable but I'm sure you'll get the hang
of it before not too long.
Yours,
Frank

-page 1136


What has happened is the primary thrust of my work on
the Astral Pulse has changed to the extent where my priority now is to teach people the Phasing
Approach (those that want to, obviously) so we can get projecting and hopefully meet up within
Focus 3 of consciousness. Then I‟ll be able to show people around and whatnot. Whereas before
I used to go into the details of my actual experiences a little more. What I want to do now is to
actually show people, as opposed to me keep trying to explain what I mean.

-page 1056

[Xanth]

What has happened is the primary thrust of my work on
the Astral Pulse has changed to the extent where my priority now is to teach people the Phasing
Approach (those that want to, obviously) so we can get projecting and hopefully meet up within
Focus 3 of consciousness. Then I‟ll be able to show people around and whatnot. Whereas before
I used to go into the details of my actual experiences a little more. What I want to do now is to
actually show people, as opposed to me keep trying to explain what I mean.

That, I believe, is also the meat and potatoes for the very existence of the Astral Pulse.
To TEACH and SHOW people how to experience these alternative states of consciousness, rather than verbally repeat experiences.

This is one reason why I value this forum above all others. 

[kurtykurt42]

Your dedication to teaching others is admirable but unfortunately in the end I don't think you'll accomplish much. I've spent a lot of hours studying "alternative states of consciousness", astral projection, remote viewing, etc. and I know as much now as I did when I first started studying these phenomena... Everyone has different theories and no proof.

[testing]

Your dedication to teaching others is admirable but unfortunately in the end I don't think you'll accomplish much. I've spent a lot of hours studying "alternative states of consciousness", astral projection, remote viewing, etc. and I know as much now as I did when I first started studying these phenomena... Everyone has different theories and no proof.

well, it's up to you to practice. you can study all you want but that's not going to do much without lots of actual practice.....

[Naykid]

Your dedication to teaching others is admirable but unfortunately in the end I don't think you'll accomplish much. I've spent a lot of hours studying "alternative states of consciousness", astral projection, remote viewing, etc. and I know as much now as I did when I first started studying these phenomena... Everyone has different theories and no proof.

I'm under the belief that the astral is as personal as a fingerprint, or DNA, so anyone who thinks they are teaching others due to their experiences will ultimately do others an injustice, themselves included.  I think it's great to read other people's experiences and get an idea on how things seem, but to say that everyone else should be having the same experiences, is wrong and IMO, misleading.

Well...don't take my word for it, I just slightly remember some things he said, which I have no proof of 

  Yeah, my memory is foggy after so many years too.  There were certainly two sides to the man. 

[Wi11iam]

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Some real gems being shared herein.  thanks for the link Pauli.
I would just like to say - I have only recently read Franks "resource" and I did notice his consistent reference to "mystics" etc...and the 'mud' and I would like to say that I felt these comments were in connection with the big MESS within the realm of F3 - a mess which Frank blames these soothsayers are responsible for creating...and I think some of his comments derive from compassion and maybe even a kind of overwelming at the enormity of the task (retrieval etc...)
I understood Franks emotive expressions, but I also understand that we are all responsible for our choices and guru's need followers in order to be gurus, so I also understand that WE are responsible and WE will 'clean it up' - something that could conceivably take eternity to do - I mean - trying to talk a believer out of Heaven, a sinner out of Hell, and every other aspect within F3 yet to see/understand their part in the greater reality.
However, I am beginning to take a peek at a way to speed up the process so that WE can move on with the next part of this Grand Experiment.