Flying in a Lucid dream

[Adkha]

I have a lot of lucid dreams lately. And offcourse I like to fly in it. But I have rarely that I can really fly. Most of the times I just flow above the ground but can not make altitude.  But a few night ago I was having a bad dream, I wasn't lucid yet. I think I was superman or someone like that and I had to save someone, but then I realized I was dreaming. So in this dream it was no problem to fly as high as I want at all!

I'm not sure why I can fly in one dream but can not in another.

Anyone?

[Blackstream]

I thought I posted in this thread, but I can't find my post, so I'll reply (again?).

Flying in dreams has never been a real problem for me.  Control has been, but control has been less of an issue as of late.  It used to be that I'd start flying and get caught in a loop and fly around in an endless circle, till I managed to break out.

I used to fly by flapping my arms like a bird, but one day my dad suggested that the next time I fly that I try and fly like superman.  So, the next time I was dreaming of flying I did that and guess what?  I was flying like superman :p  The power of suggestion is strong.

The thing is, in dreams, I have never had problems with "invisible" powers such as flying, super strength, telekineses, mind control, and other invisible spells.  Super speed is an exception to that rule, I can't seem to get that going for me, unless I'm flying.  As of lately, I can sometimes teleport and create objects in front of my eyes, but that's iffy.  I can also usually cast invisible spells (like invisible fireballs.... lol).  I'm not to good at creating DBZ blasts of any kind yet  I'm trying though.

The way I usually fly is to do a little hop and then propel myself from there with my mind.  If I were to describe how I do it, it would be as if I were pulling myself in the direction I want to go with my mind.  I simply imagine or feel myself being drawn in the direction I want to go, and I do.  I'd describe how I do other things, but this is the flight topic :p

[Adkha]

huh, yes that's right I thought you posted allready. Strangeeehh...

Yeah, same for me about how to fly, I make a little hop and then just think "I will fly" and I fly. But still can't really make altitude, except for some exceptions. About super speed, I think I can run pretty fast and I'm trying to fly faster lately by looking for the right flying carriage. (kind of funny thinking about it :lol)

And about experimenting other stuff, was it you who said to tell yourself about experiments you want to do in your dreams through the day?
Well anyway I will try that.

What also works for my to become lucid in a night is trying to fall asleep as concious as you can. And maybe this goes for remembering your experiments too....so next time, I will fall asleep as conscious as I can and think about the experiments I want to do....
I will report

[Blackstream]

Wow, I'm surprised you remember me

Anyways, if I didn't post to think about the experiments you want to do throughout the day (to increase the likelyhood of you thinking about it during your dream), I would still back that up as it's a very good idea.  I think what I said though was to include it in with your reality checks.  As in, you check reality.  Yes it's real, so imagine yourself doing what you want to do in your dream later.  That way you get a 2 in 1 deal.  You'll be testing reality and you'll be thinking about your experiment.  Therefore, when you dream, you'll have a higher likely hood of doing both (and maybe you'll start to do your experiment non-lucid, then become lucid because of it!).

"What also works for my to become lucid in a night is trying to fall asleep as concious as you can."

What you describe here is known as WILD or Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming.  In other words, you go straight from awake to dreaming lucid, or put another way you go straight into a dream without any break in consciousness.  It's far easier to do this in the early morning hours after just waking up because you enter REM sleep after just a few minutes as opposed to 90 or so minutes.  The easiest way for me to do this is to focus on hypnagogic imagery.  Eventually the scene develops into a dream scene and you just start moving.  It's abit hard to time, but usually for me there's a distinctive snap of clarity from hypnogognic to dream to help me out.

The other thing you describe, possibly, is just going to sleep with the intent of going lucid.  If it's the last thing on your mind before you go to sleep, there's a much higher chance of you doing that thing : )  Which is why I think a lot of times after you see a movie or do something a lot, you'll have dreams of it, since it's usually still on your mind.

[Adkha]

What you describe here is known as WILD or Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming. In other words, you go straight from awake to dreaming lucid, or put another way you go straight into a dream without any break in consciousness. It's far easier to do this in the early morning hours after just waking up because you enter REM sleep after just a few minutes as opposed to 90 or so minutes.

REally? Canyou call this WILD? I also hear about people who can WILD anytime they want like OBE. But that's still to far for me:-)

Yes about early in the morning. Most of my lucid dreams start when I wake up. I wake up from a non-lucid dream with this dream very vivid in my head, then it's no problem to return to this dream but this time being lucid.
But when I try to fall asleep as consious as I can, I never fall into a dream immediatly, that would be really weird caus you only dream during your REM-sleep right? And you are in REM after a few hours sleeping right?
I think it goes like this: I fall asleep as consious as I can, when I'm in form I really can FEEL my body falling in sleep. But I never remember my mind falling asleep. And then somewhere in the night I wake up from a lucid dream. (in this case first a normal dream turning into a lucid dream)
 So I cannot really say when I'm lucid dreaming when I'm not lucid dreaming in the morning, cause it's always just a memory. (maybe it got something to do with the fact that there is a time between falling asleep and the start of a dream in contrast with dreaming after you wake upin the morning...?)
Most of the times (not always!) my lucidity and vividness of the dream ar higher when I'm LDing in the morning. But I'm not really sure about that.

[Blackstream]

Ya, if there's any break of consciousness at all between awake and Lucid Dream, it's a DILD instead of a WILD.  You are still using a hella good technique to get your dreams though.  The only truely successful lucid dreams I've ever had were WILDS though.  Everytime what happens is that I watch the dream form in front of my eyes, and then I just start moving in it after a bit.  I usually lose lucidity fast though unless I'm on the ball making sure I remember that I'm dreaming.

[Adkha]

Everytime what happens is that I watch the dream form in front of my eyes, and then I just start moving in it after a bit.

I know what you mean, sometimes this works for me too in the morning after I wake up. It's kind of an alternative if I can not return to the dream immediatly. It's actually an on visualising technique right? And if it works you are in a dream....but like you said, it's more difficult to stay lucid or even be lucid at the start of the dream.

I think you can train this technique with meditation, just visualize during the day when you are on a break or something that you are jumping out your window and fly, or walk in the woods or something.
Robert Bruce also talks about visualizing based meditation to be one of the best trainings for LD en OBE.

[Blackstream]

It differs from visualization in 2 very important ways.  

1) I'm not visualizing it, I'm actually seeing it.  In visualization you picture the scene in your minds eye.  What I'm talking about is actually seeing hypnagogic stuff from right in front of your very eyes.

2) You don't control what forms in the slightest.  When I am letting the scene form in front of my eyes, I make absolutely no effort whatsover in trying to control or shape what forms in front of me.  Doing so usually ruins my chances of getting my LD.  I'm honestly not sure why, but whenever I involve myself in my dream too early, it tends to break the imagary that's forming and make it fade away so that I have to start from scratch again.  This is why I said that I waited for a while for the dream formed (doing nothing but observing the whole time... emotionlessly, be sure to not get too excited or scared while this is happening), and then after a bit, tried to move into my dream after I was fairly sure I was in my dream.  The first thing I try do everytime is stableize my dream once in it, by doing something that invovles my sense of touch like rubbing my hands together or scratching carpet or whatever.  It kinda draws me in when I do this and makes the dream more powerful.

[Adkha]

Yes you'r right about the differences.

But as I remember my experiences of WILD:

(this method doesn't always work.
You say you are actually seeing it, but is this right after you woke up from a dream? cause then you'r talking about the same method I describe here)

Returning to the dream without visualizing: I wake up, having the dream very vivid in my head, and just close my eyes and I'm back in the dream.

or:

Returning to the dream using visualisation: I wake up, I say to myself, I will have a lucid dream now. I close my eyes and let my body go asleep again, I stay as consious as I can, and try to visualize a dream, whatever I want, first it's just in my head, but slowly it's getting more vivid and before I know it I'm in the dream and lucid!

But like you said, you can loose you'r lucidity easyly because you loose your focus by concentrating too much on the visualizing part.

[Blackstream]

Returning to the dream without visualizing: I wake up, having the dream very vivid in my head, and just close my eyes and I'm back in the dream.

Close, except it's nowhere near as instant like that for me.  I close my eyes and the dream usually takes about 10-20 seconds to form or more depending on how close I am to REM and all that.  Only once have I closed my eyes and had a dream appear almost right away.

Returning to the dream using visualisation: I wake up, I say to myself, I will have a lucid dream now. I close my eyes and let my body go asleep again, I stay as consious as I can, and try to visualize a dream, whatever I want, first it's just in my head, but slowly it's getting more vivid and before I know it I'm in the dream and lucid!

I try not to do this because it usually screws my of my chances of getting an LD, but if you can craft your lucid dreams like this, more power to you.

[galacticsurfer]

I have had some LD flying experiences. Recently I was floating around inside a house/building and doing interesting maneuvers(turning easily on my axis). This was during my vacation where I was always in the swimming pool an hour or two every day so I was used to "floating" and moving like an astronaut in space. This is an Interesting variation actually on the usually flying feel.

[Adkha]

Yes I believe these kind of things can have some influence on your dreams and also your LDs. It's getting dark earlier here now and I think my dreams are more often in a dark enviroment like in de evening.
I hope to have some new cool LD experiences soon.

[SSJPunisher]

I had a lucid dream two nights ago and I did some experiments like breaking marble railings and levitating like 20 feet. Last night, I had like 7 lucid dreams and I really messed around like flew onto buildings and all. I thought I was going to slow when I was flying so I landed on the ground and I just blasted off into space. It felt like an instant I was in space. I wanted to go back down so when I bolted down to Earth, I felt like I was sinking back into my body. What do you think that was when I re-entered my body and do you think I am getting the hand of lucid dreaming?

[muppetgeoff]

I have experienced for myself, that 'style' is totally irrelevant; as I am usually non-physical, until I 'see' myself. So I am never aware of what 'form' I have taken in my dream, until I look down at my 'body' and it's just there!

At the end of it all, we are experiencing a plane of existence that is based on pure energy. The 'physical form that is our body, only exists in the physical plane. The Energy form can be anything we create, and it manifests itself such.

Most people fly 'Superman Style' because their minds shape their non-physical form to one that they can logically equate to the flying ability.

I dare say that the 'Lotus Position' works well for some, as they see a reality of spiritual enlightenment in that position, and equate it the the ability to fly.

For me, anything goes, because usually I don't even *have* a body to form or propel around. It's just 'me'.

I hope that makes sense

And please everyone;

We get nowhere by fighting with details.

Share your experience; everyone else's is just as valid as your own.

Warm regards,

Geoff

Edit- Thanks Geoff, and sorry for the edit. There have been several posts deleted above. As you've mentioned, this is a topic about experiences, not a debate over what "style" someone thinks is superior. Any such posts will be deleted, and all members are invited to read the forum acceptable use policy. Regards, Nick

[Blackstream]

I have experienced for myself, that 'style' is totally irrelevant; as I am usually non-physical,

At the end of it all, we are experiencing a plane of existence that is based on pure energy. The 'physical form that is our body, only exists in the physical plane. The Energy form can be anything we create, and it manifests itself such.

Most people fly 'Superman Style' because their minds shape their non-physical form to one that they can logically equate to the flying ability.

Share your experience; everyone else's is just as valid as your own.

This is all I was trying to say, and you said it better.  I appologize for any dissent I contributed to.