How to convert Lucid Dreams into an Astral Projections

[inharmony]

Hello i had my first lucid dream on April 04, 2005.  i recognized i was dreaming and allowed myself to fall off a building and i floated to the ground and landing gently on my feet.  i then remembered the book saying to go back to the body and perform an OBE.  So i just thought "back to my body." and i was back in my bedroom...i could see the window...i was conscious...but my eyes were closed.  i then told myself to get out...i pushed myself out and heard the "sounds"...i went black and then i was in some sort of tunnel...i had two young guys with me and i told them we were out of our bodies and that we could fly.  i then proceeded to show them how to fly.  Once we landed on the ground there were three big mean looking men staring at us...i turned towards the boys and told them not to worry, they couldn't hurt us...and the men just disappeared.    This is all i can remember.  
i have just returned from a week's vacation where i made no efforts to OBE or Lucid dream.  i'm excited about getting back to the book and my practices tomorrow.  
--inharmony[/b]

[Mandrivnyk]

Greetings all,

I also, have been wondering how to AP through my lucid dreams. In fact, I have a one or two LD's per week, but never had I experienced an astral projection.

The way I understand it, is that there are countless ways to go about doing it and perhaps every individual might have his/her own.

Last time I tried, I wished the dream to go away, force it to turn into whiteness or blackness, but instead I generated a beautiful landscape, the most beautiful I've ever seen and instead of trying again, I felt helpless by the desire to just fly over it.

[Enoch]

I think its easy to do both because they are one and the same thing. With the exception that we are out of body already in a lucid dream and the energy that we waste while trying to achieve obe could be better used to stay astral longer and to be clearer in dreams.
If you insist on calliing them two seperate things than start off by wakeing in a dream it is much easier to grasp. After that you have no need to project because you already are. 

When you have an obe you take your energy body with you. when you lucid dream you dont but you can bring it to you or go back and retrieve it. But why? you can accomplish and do the same exact things in both. And in fact both are just sending your concious self to a differant place is all. Displaceing the assemblage point for you shamans out there. Ok so there not identical but it got your attention right? lol
Really there is no need to project other than to waste energy. Two of the greatest mystics of our time would agree with me 100% Mr Carlos Castaneda, and Robert Moss, ive learned more from these twos books than almost anywhere else. And as i said they agree leaving in your energy body is just a waste of energy and to much work.
If you insist on obeing do it while your awake now thats an accomplishment.     

[lily moonsong]

I think what inharmony had was a lucid dream, not an astral projection...I feeel this way, because in lucid dreams, we feel very compelled to tell other dream characters that they are dreaming.  Lucid dreams go the way your mind tells you they should go... in obe's you see the outter world.. not the inner world.  What inharmony had  looks like a dream about having an obe.. not an actual obe:  there is a difference.

[McKauhu]

I have had only once true astral projection. Every others have been more or less lucid dreams, or waking up in lucid dream to have obe (lol) I think when it's lucid dream, you wont wake up in your own room and out of your body but maybe similar room to it and world looks different. So in obe world looks like it is right? Anyways i just ended up with this method: when you have LD, go to the ground and look down. I was already in sleepy position in LD and waved myself in body from side to side couple of times then just rose sitting in it and step of my body. It didn't work at first time i was threwn back in it but then i did it again and it worked this time. I had first dark everywhere but after looking down to my hands, everything became very lively and with bright colors! Also the similar place i left while sleeping, it was actually really same looking outer side when i went to see it. So is it obe then?

Then i continued my travel with flying above the trees and remembered that i had to confirm it So i thought of whereabouts of my friend and it became dark again for a while i looked down to my hands once again and it became in my sight with bright colors: house that i haven't ever seen before. Though i didn't see my friend but two young girls who looked like they were seeing ghost. Then i waved to them "no no don't be afraid" and they calmed down running to the other side of building. I followed them with gently steps and see some old man opening window back there and then i wake up.

[SnakeDoctor]

ok, i just read the one about falling off a building....


if i have a blonde moment and think im dreaming and walk off a building and die....expect a ghost haunting your butt.

[Electrolintaktituiszintic]

Can't you do it just by pulling your finger or something?

[lily moonsong]

I've had like 500 lucid dreams and only ONE out of body experience.  I'm somewhat agree with Enoch about it wasting energy, and i'm a psy vamp, so i don't have enough energy to go obe, but i want to because it feels more real.  *pout*

[SnakeDoctor]

haha


know what would be pretty awkward...

if you randomly blurt out "im dreaming..." and then fall backwards. then feel like an idiot when your laying on ur back in pain and people are just looking at you.

[catmeow]

Would never happen to me at least.  I always take a little hop and if I float lightly down to the ground I know I'm dreaming.  Pretty important test to do before jumping off the top of a building! 

[lily moonsong]

haha


know what would be pretty awkward...

if you randomly blurt out "im dreaming..." and then fall backwards. then feel like an idiot when your laying on ur back in pain and people are just looking at you.

I always take a little hop and if I float lightly down to the ground I know I'm dreaming.  Pretty important test to do before jumping off the top of a building! 

LMAo!!!!!   

[evan5]

converting your lucid dream to a fully concious astral travel is really quite simple, as long as you can flow into a lucid dream. If you ever find yourself fully lucid in a dream, your thoughts create things constantly. In many cases when i have been lucid dreaming and wished to project, i just stop where i am in my dream and literally say "astral project" to myself and you will. you will feel a rushing feeling and may find yourself back on your bed, just as your coming out of your body.

[MindMonkey]

CatMeow,
I agree.. When I turn back and see the same thing, it changes to something different everytime in a Dream..
That is the 'Dream Sign' that I keep to get awareness in a dream..
But I wonder WHY it changes...
Other thing that I noticed was, when I try to have physical contact with someone, the LD ends...
Anyone knows WHY this happens?

[catmeow]

Hi MindMonkey

I was thinking about this.  Either it's because you become too "excited" and you lose focus on the dreamscape.  Or else it's because you begin to pay too much attention to your own  body.  To remain in a LD you must not be body-centred, you must be external-centred ie concentrating on the things around you rather than your own body.  As long as you can concentrate on the imagery around you, you will remain inside that imagery.  As soon as you start thinking "within yourself" the dreamscape will fade.  To reverse this you need to concentrate outside your body again and place yourself back "in" the dream.  Either way the problem is that you are starting to focus on your physical body.  Your focus must be away from your physical body.

[MindMonkey]

That makes sense..!
Thanks...