LDs are not OBEs

[Xanth]

Actually, I'm fairly certain Tom would be quite disappointed in your approach here Pauli.

Can you provide the exact forum post you read?

Secondly... his version of reality doesn't quite match up with the others, it's his TOE reality that he's referring to.  In which case, there's PMR (Physical Matter Reality) and NPMR (Non Physical Matter Reality)... that's the basics of how he breaks it down.  Dreams, Lucid Dreams, Astral Projections... to him, all happen in NPMR.

He'd state that the different labels that people give these experiences are vastly meaningless.  What's important is ONLY the experience... not what someone labels it.  And with that statement, I'd 100% agree with him.  Although I'm fairly certain that you'll never experience it nor understand it.

Through his TOE, he actually has a very insightful label of his own: Out-Of-PMR Experience  (OOPE)
In my experience that is a much better label than Monroe's OOBE will ever be.

And allow me to toss a wrench into your list there, and you might wanna remove Campbell from your list too:

http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2961&p=6164&hilit=Lucid+Dream#p6164

Lucid dreams and OOBE approach leaving PMR from different awareness's and perspectives. Because of that difference people who have little operational control tend, by default, to remain tied to the spaces through which they enter the out-of-PMR experience --- i.e., lucid dreams (entered from a dream state) are more dreamlike and OOBE (entered fully conscious) is more awake like. However it is only habit and belief that ties someone to the spaces through which they enter the out-of-PMR experience. Once free of PMR, your focus and intent (and, of course, your ego, fears, expectations, needs, and beliefs -- if you happen to have any of those things ) are solely in charge of what happens next.

It's quite clear that through Tom's experiences, once you leave PMR (the method or mode is of not much concern), you're "out" and what happens to you is entirely up to you.

I'm not even sure why I'm writing this... it's gonna go in one ear and out the other, just like the entire last year.  Meh.

This thread is going in circles now.

I'm going to lock and leave this thread with this bit written by Tom himself: http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2263&p=2515&hilit=Lucid+Dream#p2515