Limiting them by telling them that their experience is in "this" or "that" category really doesn't help with that goal.
I wonder if people read sometimes instead of pretending they do and just tie themselves around with words instead of the way they are being used. If what you said was not referred to me I apologize, but just in case (and because usually 1+1 = 2):
I say a thing, it becomes all another just because it has to be that way, I see.
But that's a reflection created by yourself about the thing or the thing in itself? Do you ever wonder?
Since, you know, I've reread what I wrote 5 times already and for the death of mine I couldn't see how one can interpret it as a way to imposing something or a way to declare specific "belief systems" or similar. The only way to read it that way is to have already a preconception on what's being written, without neither trying to understand the meaning beyond the terms used. But I guess that since you saw the words "planes" or "sub-planes" in the post you neither either cared about their use or why they were being used, isn't it? It was much simpler to just think "oh, this individual it's using these bogus terms, obviously all it is written it has no sense and it's just an imposition of a belief system", without trying to comprehend the context, am I right?
And this is a thing I've seen in these two years here, over and over again: people that presume and pretend they are more "open minded" and less tied up in "belief systems" usually are the ones that really cannot go beyond them, no matter what. Same as some kind of atheists that, while in theory declaring they should go beyond the concept of God as in the chrisitan view, when hearing the word "God" cannot go beyond the term as being used only in correlation with its christian connotation.
And seriously... we have people here whom either can't project or who have lots of trouble doing it telling other people what their experiences are!
I'm sorry, but honestly... who the hell are you (not anyone in particular) to tell someone else what their experience was? You can make suggestions to them, definitely... but TELL THEM? No... if you're telling anyone anything, you're on the wrong forum.
Again, the only one "imposing" something here is you, because you pretend to impose that the way you looked at my post it is the way it was. Actually, it was exactly the contrary and, since I always do so, it was meant to help people understanding a point. You naturally missed it, but it doesn't really matters. What I don't usually tolerate, however, is those people that "defend" others while not really either understanding from what they are "defending" them for. You neithe either really cared to read what I wrote seriously, with no bias to start with, and now you either tell me that I was "telling other people what their experiences are".
In fact, if there are people that REALLY do harm to beginners, they are those that pretend to say what's "real" or not in things they neither either experienced themselves and neither cared to for a personal intellectual approach on the matter, and then pretend to teach others the reality of what they don't either know. People that REALLY do harm to beginners are those that pretend to teach them "how to exit in two days" but then explaining absolutely nothing on what they should do, or they way they should behave to begin a learning process in there, as if that would be a good thing to do. People that REALLY do harm to beginners are those that insist that a thing it's only a way and all the rest, no matter the way you do it, it's the same. People that REALLY do harm to beginners are those that, given the points above, teach a bad habit to them to only care about what they intellectually care to, because all the rest it's obviosuly not "pragmatic" or have little sense, and that throw them in the middle without absolutely no point of reference in there.
The point of my post, btw, was to let understand users (*especially* beginners, in fact) that the way you approach the experience is what changes the structure of the experience and that in the structure there's either a direction (that should be willingly decided, and not on "case"). Btw this simple point is much more important in practice than simply knowing how to "exit", *especially* for a beginner, because they way you approach your work at beginning it is the way you will continue your approach with more "advanced" things, and if you learn to behave without a structured approach in the beginning, you will keep the bad habit till the end, and this will result in an either worse outcome than not learning at all. Without direction and structure you will never have real practical results, only meaningless pieces, interesting maybe, but of little practical value, and those "pieces", outside the structure, would give you an outcome that could do you more harm than good.
It would be like if, for example, if you would strive (paradoxically) to enter the physical body only to find yourself "out" in a late stage of Alzheimer instead of a fully cognitive body. What a great practical value all you experience would have, isn't it? Fun, maybe, at beginning, but only nonsense would come from it, if you want to speak of practical applications, and the "pieces" you acquire will give you a picture that has no sense at all, while giving the outward impression of doing "great things".
What this forum really lacks it is another point of view from just "exit and that's enough" or "exit and experience everything as it comes, then draw your conclusions". If you really care about beginners then let them understand that sometimes having an experience just to have it, it's not the best way to act. Or even better, let them understand that after having the experience there's something more than just "having fun" with it.
A real "scientific" approach is one that explore the experience in a structured way, not on casualities, same as a real learning approach. But maybe people in this forum think that when you go in an academy you are teached to use the tools the way they go by themselves, or on your whim of the moment, without a structured path on the teaching, I don't know.
If you want to act like a moralist, at last know what "unmorality" you fight against. Elsewhere instead of Kant you look as the clochard in the street that yells: "The end is near, repent".
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