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« on: October 28, 2016, 08:17:25 »

Anyone who comes to the study of the subjects of Astral Projection, Out of Body Experiences or Non-Physical Reality should soon realize that a great deal of experiential understanding can be gained by the study of dreams and the entrance into NPR that they can give us.

The first series of our nightly dreams are usually what we call "housecleaning", the sorting out of the previous days' normal activity-these are necessary but mostly unremarkable. The later series of dreams are where we tackle longer-standing issues which have much deeper significance for our mental health and spiritual growth. The stuff of these later dreams are thrown up by our subconscious and are symbolic and metaphorical. As adults, if we apply ourselves to analyzing our dreams, we can help ourselves in myriad ways: understanding relationships; resolving conflict issues; increasing awareness, lucidity and our NP mindset; moving into lucid dreaming and the lessons offered by simulations...just to name a few. The dreams were always there, like little movies running in the background; but we largely ignored them. The lesson-plan was there all along as well, waiting for us to pay attention and once we did the program went into motion and we actually begin to see a progression of sorts.

So what about our children? Why should it be any different for them? As I look back and remember my own childhood dreams, I now realize that there were a lot of NP experiences mixed in with them. Other than knowing my NP experiences were somehow notably different from my regular dreams, I had no better understanding of what was going on. When I tried sharing these with my parents all I received were blank stares and the explanation that they were largely meaningless. Even at the age of 8 I knew better, but I had no one to help me with interpretation or context. That is largely true with the general culture in the USA, with some exceptions I'm sure. And probably true with most cultures in the modern world.

So what about your children or the children you may one day be a parent to? Do you or will you make it a point to regularly discuss your child's dreams? The potential of their dreams and NP experiences may far exceed what we are capable of. Considering this, their spiritual growth can be tremendously advanced beyond our own.

You may even find that your child is presently stuck/stalled out/blocked in a current dream or repeating experience, that upon interpretation turns out to be more than just a dream, rather an OBE or a deeper NP experience. I point this out because it happened to me many times. Here on the Pulse, we discuss the difficulties in understanding OBEs and various exit sensations, and even astral tests and lessons. These events don't just occur for adults exclusively, they can and probably do occur for many children, especially in the last 20 years or so with the idea of more advanced souls and Star Children being born. I don't pretend to know the full truth of this but if more spiritually-gifted children are coming among us, they might benefit from our help early on in their development in understanding their nighttime experiences.

Based on my experiences, I now realize that a lesson-plan and various tests were presented to me as young as age 5, that I distinctly remember. These tests were of a very simple and general nature, but still mirror the tests adults must work through in their early OBE development, involving ideas such as understanding movement, location, overcoming fear and confusion, and one of the really important ones- the application of Intent. As the next several years passed for me, my experiences expanded and the tests became appropriately more complex.

One caution that I want to stress and a primary motivation for writing this piece is that a child can get stuck in an experience. I had a few, but I will only mention one in detail a bit later. It was a repeating experience that I couldn't figure out and it went from being disturbing to frightening to traumatic over the course of several days. If this test pushed me up to the edge of my limits then it succeeded, and frankly I'm still bothered by it a little. It made that much of an impression on me. Maybe it was designed to make such a forceful impression on me that I would never forget it. Maybe it helped to propel my interest in exploring the true nature of consciousness; which I certainly did from about the age of 8.

My experience and research supports the provisional belief that some form of teaching and guidance begins to occur when we make a firm, sincere commitment to expand our consciousness. The testing can begin in childhood and likely continues for life, and obviously beyond. Initially they are probably just looking for a response, a spike in lucidity, a blip on their radar. If they get nothing, then we are left to wander within our self-generated, non-lucid dreams. If they do get a response, then they begin to apply further tests and assist us in expanding our consciousness as far as we can follow.

Nearly all of my NP adventures as a child came about as a result of raising my awareness in a dream. Mostly this happened naturally and instinctively. The majority were 'flying dreams' that could probably be categorized as etheric/RTZ events; I didn't know of such concepts back then. Most of the time I could fly easily, like Superman. Other times, I learned to deal with limitations, influences from prior dreams and applying Intent. Sometimes I flew in a sitting position which likely carried over from a dream about racecars, etc. It felt kind of stupid, but I couldn't straighten out, lol. Sometimes I would find myself in a great dark field and despite wanting to fly, I couldn't get off the ground; flapping my arms might get me ten feet in the air. A few times, the best I could manage was some 2 hundred yard jumps like the Incredible Hulk (that was pretty cool in its own way). The etheric/RTZ OBEs also included some nightly excursions wandering around my house while everyone was sleeping and incapable of being aroused. These particular NP experiences became very easy to recognize by the feel of the environment: you can 'feel' the density of the atmosphere, the 'slowness' of it; like being underwater sometimes, a good bit lighter during others. That is the etheric/RTZ. These experiences occurred for me between the ages of 6-14.

The one seriously rough experience that I want to relate happened when I was 4,5 or 6. I want to mention it because I can imagine that a fair number of kids might fall into this trap because I think it happens in one of the first NP environments that can cause extreme confusion: the etheric/RTZ. My situation was very simple: I found myself stuck in a corner. The floor and two walls were dark grey; the lighting was dim and as I think back on it, the atmosphere was kind of dense, like the etheric. The walls and floor were uniform and indistinct and seemed to stretch off into a dark and infinite distance. I remember having that thought and it magnified into an overwhelming fear and claustrophobia of sorts. I also felt a kind of gravity or force that gently but irresistibly pressed me into the corner and my face up against the wall. With great effort I could work my way a few feet across the floor, but each time I was inexorably pulled back, sliding up against the wall and my face gently pressed back into it. For what felt like the first hour or two, it was a disturbing but interesting problem. After that a terrible fright set in and I spent what felt like the rest of the night there. The next night I found myself in the same situation. I cried and screamed but no help came and I couldn't figure out how to resolve it. The level of desperation was off the scale. In the morning I couldn't even form the words to describe it to my mother. This went on for at least 4 nights and I can't remember how it resolved, whether I figured out a solution or someone ended it for me. I just remember not wanting to go to bed at night and return to that hell.

The likely answer finally occurred to me earlier this year, fifty years later. I was probably floating in the etheric/RTZ environment of my bedroom, probably up near the ceiling and the smooth walls, no doubt disoriented by the lack of reference points. If anyone has more than a few experiences with the etheric/RTZ then you likely know about the gentle 'gravity' that is sometimes present; that is probably the force that kept pushing me back into the corner.

In retrospect a simple thing, a simple misunderstanding.

What dreams may come...

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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2016, 10:24:55 »

 EXCELLENT thread here EV!  smiley

 Not only are kid's Dreams important and that it is important for parents to be "aware" and understanding of those, but their "imagination" in general is as well.

 While growing up I had so many things that I thought were perfectly normal, but later learned wasn't, like seeing my dead dog on my floor beside my bed, being visited by my deceased neighbor that hated kids, all kinds of things.
 Our dog, (a large Bouvier), had hit a car. Yes, you read that right. He ran into the side of a car. The next week my Parents told us that they had to bring him to the "Farm" (We all know what that means. I didn't at the time though). A few nights later I woke up and he was lying on my bedroom floor, just looking at me. It confused me at the time.
 Then there was the ability to "heal" others that I had, but I didn't know my Father could do until I saw him do it and still we barely discussed it. I was 14 when I saw him do it and he said it was a "curse" and that I should never use it. (Funny, we were just talking about this all on another Forum that you frequent EV)  wink

 I used to have the same repeating nightmare of cars chasing me up and down the stairs in my home. I think that I may have died in my past life in some form of a automobile accident and that this was some kind of a imprint that was left on me. On other occasions, I had many experiences where my ankles were being touched and legs lifted, just like I do today. I now know it was SP, but nobody explained that to me back then. It used to terrify me.

 But I never told anyone about theses Dreams, visions or experiences. I thought they were all perfectly normal and that everyone else had things like that happen to them and that for some reason, we just didn't talk about them.

 It's funny that you brought this up though because MJ's Grandson was over a couple of days ago and he was playing, using his imagination that he was a Transformer. He was having a great time. MJ and I joined in. Her son then came in the house and we talked about the little guy's vivid imagination and how important it was that the Parents allowed it to exist, unlike what happens in some other homes, where the imagination of a child is stifled by the Parents.
  
 When MJ's Grandson stays overnight here, she will lie down with him for a afternoon nap (he is going on 4 years old). Sometimes when he wakes up, he will look at her and start telling her about his Dream. Now he is 4 years old, so much of he conversation is "babble, lol. But she nods and listens just the same.

 He is rather an excitable child, so this year I attempted to teach him a bit of Meditation. I told him to close his eyes and just relax. Well, he is 4, so you know how long that worked for, lol. The "younguns' don't have much of a attention span, lol!  grin
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2016, 22:18:43 »

I don't even know where to begin EV, this is such an excellent post. Oddly enough I didn't have a repeating nightmare as a kid. I did have one repeating very lucid dream though. I remember finally just wanting it to end so bad and being told to end it then. I was surprised I could do that and asked if that was right. I was told I could end it any way I wanted but I must remember it. Well I remembered it - for 40 years until one day out of the blue I was told to share it with someone I barely knew. I did and the results were amazing much to my surprise. I didn't learn til later what the dream meant. Of course I still remember it it just no longer has this hold over me.

I did have nightmares though, I thought all kids did. And as I've said elsewhere my childhood was choke full of unexplained experiences. Because of that I have always tried to be extra thoughtful of my kids nightmares/dreams and other experiences. But I only discuss what they bring to me. I have on ocassion asked but I never push them to share. It's difficult with kids. We shouldn't burden them too much. Like us they need space to work out things on their own. I think the best we can do is listen and share a bit when it's appropriate. If we stay open I think they will want to talk, other wise, no. I say no because we are on iffy ground and children despite how intelligent, cognizant or enlightened they may be they are still children with a lot to learn.

I've thought about the RTZ and find that most of my activities (the ones I remember) did not take place there. I may need some clarification on that. Is the RTZ supposed to be pretty much 'here'? I mean I have never seen my bedroom, bed, myself, yard or anything else that resembles close to home. When I have viewed anything in the here and now it has been exactly as is and while fully awake. Like when I was a kid and could 'view' my mom at home.

Back to the kids - I think the kids now will have lessons just like we did. How far they will go we can't know. I thought two of my children would already be questioning this but strangely neither of them want to acknowledge their exp. I really don't know what to think of that. As children they were both highly sensitive and had many nighttime adventures. My daughter used to talk to her friends in her sleep. She spoke a beautiful language I couldn't understand and even introduced me to her three besties. Now she is nearly grown and barely remembers. I've seen my son with a blanket of bright orbs resting about two inches above his chest. He was in some kind trance state and told me the next day. Today, all grown up, he remember what he was told me but not much else.

I think my daughter simply doesn't remember much at this time. I think my son does. On the NP front I don't know what the future holds for them.

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2016, 09:35:46 »

Lumaza and Nameless-

Thank you both for your replies and insights into this subject; I hope some others will chime in.

Lumaza, I also had a variety of SP symptoms and exit sensations that captured my interest in the middle of the night, and yes, sometimes they terrified me. I pretty quickly learned that if it hadn't killed me the first time, I would probably survive the next time, so that calmed me down a bit.

Nameless, I had the childhood nightmares as well and I figured they were pretty much normal. As I grew older, the frequency of nightmares seemed to naturally reduce, from maybe ten a year, progressively down to two or three per year in my teens. Maybe the numbers were fifteen or twenty at an early age, depending on how you might qualify a nightmare, but the frequency noticeably reduced the older I grew. In amongst the normal dreams and crappy nightmares were the more remarkable LDs and NP experiences, these became pretty noticeable but obviously with some overlap among them all.

I understand and mostly agree with your idea of the soft touch or 'kids glove' approach to inquiring about your kids' dreams; certainly being open to THEIR questions; but also I think they are much more resilient and durable than we remember to give them credit for, so I think we could push a little. I am hesitant to write that because I am not a parent myself, but I sure think that I remember being a kid.lol Of course, it is a personal decision, unique to each of us and each child we are considering, so I just put the idea out there. Maybe, like certain genetic traits the NP 'gene' jumps in a generational fashion, so we could be calling on deaf ears; I will admit that I just don't know. I just think how much it would have helped me to have someone to bounce these ideas off, especially in my childhood.

That is a beautiful memory about your daughter, Nameless, speaking to friends in a strange language; I've only read about that in the Dolores Cannon books and a few others. It is interesting, just in the 3 posts shared here, the incredible variety of NP experiences we and our children are having...

Where are our NP experiences happening? That is a tough question to get even general agreement on. The etheric plane/RTZ is one 'focus' that early projectors experience, to give it a name/label. It may be a close frequency to the 'physical' but it can include a differing variety of elements or overlays and these may be very subconsciously thought-responsive. As I wrote in my OP, my experience with this particular focus goes back to my childhood and I can definitely recognize its 'atmosphere'. My childhood experiences also included or often transitioned into more vivid, full-Technicolor environments. These experiences are more in the category of Astral or Mental environments that are defined by the Theosophical tradition. These then move deeper into the formless environments that some of us have briefly experienced:the Causal and Buddhic Planes. Monroe gave all of these specific numerical Focus level designations, from Focus 3, 10, 12, 15 to Focus 21 to 27, 35 and beyond. Frank Kepple simplified them all into 4 Focus levels...which also works for me.

Nameless, if most of your early and current experiences were in 'full color', feeling nearly 100% 'physical' or even the exact opposite- total 'lightness of being', to see what your mother was doing in the house, then I think you were likely experiencing at the Astral or Mental Plane levels; especially given the clairvoyant nature of some of your experiences. You may have simply by-passed the Etheric/RTZ experiences. Again, I look at these as provisional categories, just some generic locations in order to reference our experiences.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2016, 19:52:16 »

Thank you for the clarification. I should admit that I have some stuff downloaded from various sources and of course much of this information is easily accessible on the net. My original intent had been to read everything I could lay my hands on, Monroe, and all the others. So although I get the idea about focus levels and much else I haven't read or studied any of it in depth. The reason being I don't want to turn what I already know into something I don't recognize. I mean I don't want to be confused by too much info. So bits and pieces as it pertains to the topic at hand as I do want to be on the same page.

So far I am intuitively drawn to Delores Cannon. I learn the most from talking on the forums.

Thanks for this - "Nameless, if most of your early and current experiences were in 'full color', feeling nearly 100% 'physical' or even the exact opposite- total 'lightness of being', to see what your mother was doing in the house, then I think you were likely experiencing at the Astral or Mental Plane levels; especially given the clairvoyant nature of some of your experiences. You may have simply by-passed the Etheric/RTZ experiences. Again, I look at these as provisional categories, just some generic locations in order to reference our experiences."

That explains a LOT.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2016, 21:15:54 »

but also I think they are much more resilient and durable than we remember to give them credit for, so I think we could push a little. I am hesitant to write that because I am not a parent myself, but I sure think that I remember being a kid.lol
I've raised four children only one not mine biologically. All four of them have been blessed or cursed with experiences.
Child One- multiple exp, willing to talk but unable to process mentally.
Child Two- multiple exp, curious but not ready to confront.
Both One and Two are in their 30's now.
Child Three- came in wide open, to his detriment.
Child Four- came in protected.
Three and Four are young adults now.

When all of them were little I listened and shared my experiences (age appropriate) but refrained from drawing conclusions. The only answers I had at the time were wild guesses at best. Now that we are all older...
C1 will talk but doesn't really understand.
C2 wants to talk seriously but we don't see each other enough.
C3 does not want to discuss. Only wants specific questions answered or not.
C4 believes but feels no need to discuss. She just knows but she hasn't been 'unlocked' yet.

I'm not saying this makes me an expert, if it does the world is in whole heaps of trouble, lol. Just sharing my experience.

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Maybe, like certain genetic traits the NP 'gene' jumps in a generational fashion, so we could be calling on deaf ears; I will admit that I just don't know. I just think how much it would have helped me to have someone to bounce these ideas off, especially in my childhood.

I don't know how it works genetically speaking. My mother, maternal grand mother, father and paternal grand father all had 'the gift' as they used to say. Myself and one of my brothers do as well. Unfortunately for me all of them are/were stuck in a christian based bs. My fear is this, who says my/your/our bs is any better or any more right than theirs. I totally agree with getting rid of the fear and exploring no matter what bs is involved. Being honest I have to say I am grateful for the foundation my parents gave me despite the differing thoughts.

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That is a beautiful memory about your daughter, Nameless, speaking to friends in a strange language; I've only read about that in the Dolores Cannon books and a few others. It is interesting, just in the 3 posts shared here, the incredible variety of NP experiences we and our children are having...
I tried repeatedly recording her as she talked and played with her friends but never picked up a thing. No sound at all, ever. Orbs also love her. In night photos she is constantly surrounded while everyone else may or may not get only one or two or none.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2016, 21:22:54 »

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Lumaza,  He is rather an excitable child, so this year I attempted to teach him a bit of Meditation. I told him to close his eyes and just relax. Well, he is 4, so you know how long that worked for, lol. The "younguns' don't have much of a attention span, lol!  grin
That is so cute!! I tried that with mine, same results, haha.

When my two youngest were in elementary school I had them sit back to back with one of them picking a colored bead and holding it. The other one had to guess what color was chosen. They were right about 4 of 5 times till they got the giggles. grin
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2016, 23:55:28 »

That is so cute!! I tried that with mine, same results, haha.

When my two youngest were in elementary school I had them sit back to back with one of them picking a colored bead and holding it. The other one had to guess what color was chosen. They were right about 4 of 5 times till they got the giggles. grin
It never hurts to try, lol!  grin
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2016, 01:08:49 »

I feel like an outsider  undecided I never had any unusual dreams or NP experiences as a child. I don't even remember what kind of dreams I had, if any. I only remember being scared of the dark and sleeping with a night light on. The only episode I had was the ET appearance, but that was here in this reality.  However, as I have mentioned before, I have always known without experiencing it consciously that there were many other worlds. I used to tell my friends that they are invisible to us, we just have to find a way to get there. I've always had answers about the unseen, and finally when I found a way to enter and explore the rest of the multiverse (in my 20s), I found out that I was right. I think children retain the connection until the "real world" takes over their minds.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2016, 10:16:43 »

LightBeam, I had the 'scared of the dark and nightlight' thing as well. My experiences stalled out around the age of 15 and only sporadically showed every several years after that for the next  thirty years until I actively began properly seeking new experiences. i think you are exactly right about Physical Reality pretty much shutting out our experiences as we grow out of childhood.

So what jump-started your experiences at 20-something?
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2016, 13:31:49 »

my dreams and NP experiences have all been the same in general since I was a kid. I still get very vivid and interesting dreams to this day. Maybe it's just me but I don't feel any decline of NP experiences as I grow older.

I guess what may be happening is that generally most adults just don't care or have time to think about their dreams or use their imagination and that's why they may be losing their connection to them. What negatively reinforces this statement is that many people are told that oh.... its just their imagination nothing real or that dreams mean nothing. This then shuts off a lot of people from believing in themselves and making them think that the answers they seek have to be found outside themselves...

I'm 18 so i'm not sure if I will indeed lose or decline in NP experiences. Or maybe I just didn't ever have those huge NP experiences everyone is talking about.

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2016, 20:58:41 »

So what jump-started your experiences at 20-something?

Well, I came across one of Robert Monroe's books when I was 16-17. Bu at that time there was no internet and we only relied on books to get info. At that time also in my country I don't think there was anything else available on the OBE subject. When I read it I was like, OMG this is one of the ways to go into the beyond. I was soooooo excited that I started applying his instruction on how he was achieving OBE, but I never succeeded that way. I tried for years to lay down, relax and imagine that I am floating. From what  read of many people's tries, simply meditating does not work very well. You may achieve numbness and visuals like I did, but nothing like a complete disconnection of this reality and 100% being "there" with full interaction and perception.
Until, one day a decade later, I read William Buhlman's first book, followed his motion/visualization technique as I was falling asleep every night and sometime in the third week, I had a full blown OBE. Since then, I have been practicing this technique, added a few other short cuts I discovered and it's been a great journey.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2016, 01:37:24 »

Since then, I have been practicing this technique, added a few other short cuts I discovered and it's been a great journey.
Pray tell Lightbeam, tell us more. Not to "hijack" EV's thread here, but I love experimenting anew!  smiley
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2016, 03:18:10 »

Pray tell Lightbeam, tell us more. Not to "hijack" EV's thread here, but I love experimenting anew!  smiley

Oh, nothing I haven't mentioned on this board before. It's just when I wake up early morning, but still need a few hrs of sleep, when I position myself to go back to sleep, I imagine that my bed in a hammock and I imagine swaying side to side as I drift back to sleep. I don't have to think anything else, just feel the inner motion. That triggers strong vibes within a few minutes as your brain waves start to slow down. Now, I am not sure if one needs to have already adjusted mind set so to speak in order to have this quick trick work. I practice the regular techniques before bed at least 3 times per week.
I also do affirmations before bed with clear statements where do I want to go, or what do I want to explore. This is very helpful once you are there to remember.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2016, 03:48:16 »

Oh, nothing I haven't mentioned on this board before. It's just when I wake up early morning, but still need a few hrs of sleep, when I position myself to go back to sleep, I imagine that my bed in a hammock and I imagine swaying side to side as I drift back to sleep. I don't have to think anything else, just feel the inner motion. That triggers strong vibes within a few minutes as your brain waves start to slow down. Now, I am not sure if one needs to have already adjusted mind set so to speak in order to have this quick trick work. I practice the regular techniques before bed at least 3 times per week.
I also do affirmations before bed with clear statements where do I want to go, or what do I want to explore. This is very helpful once you are there to remember.
Excellent!  cool I find that triggering that "inner motion" is a great way to speed up the OBE process as a whole. That's what I attempt to use during my "Phantom Wiggling" and Tetrahedral/directional point focus as well.

 Great descriptions and the constant sharing of our own personal techniques really help those "prying eyes" that lurk here in the shadows of this Forum.
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