Can someone help me please! Pineal gland/Third Eye

[2TaLL]

I have this sort of muscle that I can flex in my head, it also can send a chill down my spine like when you watch a good movie or hear a good song, or sometimes you get the chill in social situations.

When I lay down in bed, I can "blink" it very hard, sending chills down my spine, after about 3 or 4 minutes, the pineal gland/third eye starts vibrating. But that's it after that I don't know what to do. I want to enter a wake-induced-lucid-dream.

Another night I went to sleep, and kept the pineal gland FLEXED or open or whatever, and fell asleep. I felt sleep paralysis kick in, and eventually seen hypnagogic imaginary. But now I can't do it anymore, everytime I try and go to sleep with it flexed, I feel my body get lighter, then i eventually lose consciousness.

I had a couple of alcoholic drinks after that sleep paralysis experience. But that can't possibly be why I always lose consciousness with pineal gland flexed can it? I remember combining it with visualizing I think the first time, then I also did it last night, but I STILL lose consciousness. I immediately thought that keeping the pineal gland flexed or third eye open would keep me conscious/aware as I fall asleep.

I've read one post on this forum by this girl I think she said she could do it to, and she was entering other people's dream. How do i operate this muscle?!?! There is almost nothing of it on the internet. All they say is just meditate on it, but I don't have ot meditate to get it to vibrate. Please help, you guys know all about this.

[spark]

Hi.  I just tried what you are talking about, and I felt it too.  Anyway, I am not sure if that is the best starting point though.  I am not sure what it is.  I only tried it a minute ago.  Perhaps, it relates to some energy flow, or more just a muscle flexing.  For me, the sensation was largely in the back of the neck at the base of the skull.  I think it could relate more to the throat chakra than maybe the head.  Anyway, I am not sure.  As for stimulating the 3rd eye chakra, that seemed to start a little for me when I tried.  Anyway, if you are interested in getting into OBE or lucid dream state, there are other things to focus on too.  I initially started with focus on OBEs/lucid dreams until I became good at entering dream state from wakefulness.  Now, my focus is more on so-called energy since that lead to my perceiving of energy (e.g., feeling chakras, flow, and all sorts of stuff).  Anyway, if you want to try to OBE, I personally think you might want to start thinking about it during the day (ask "yourself" during the day to make it happen).  Anyway, you also might not be completely ready for some reason -- maybe, inside you really don't want to but prefer to just dream normally ... or, maybe, you might have some internal fear stopping you (likely, temporarily).  Just take it easy.  It will come.

[spark]

Also ... I think the idea of entering another's dream is kind of silly to focus on.  Sorry.  I think it is like saying you want to hit home runs off of major league pitchers before you even learn to play baseball.  There are many equally amazing things to experience before that point.  Personally, I am doubtful that anyone can be that skilled at dreaming to do what such person professes.  However, after having thousands of OBEs, and after doing it readily at will when I desire to, I am experienced enough to know that folks could easily be confused about what they are experiencing and believe themselves to be entering dreams of others.  However, I have had some experiences in which I appeared to have co-dreams with others.  But, our experiences were not entirely the same.  I think there are interpretive aspects that come to play that muck up things too.  I assume that anyone professing to be entering others dreams is probably not really sure what they are doing.  Anyway, I would just focus on learning to OBE simply.