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Author Topic: Celibacy to raise consciousness  (Read 15424 times)
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« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2003, 04:32:35 »

Let me clear this up just so no one else misunderstands.

Sexual Transmutation = Kundalini
Sexual Tension != Kundalini
Ki != Kundalini

I am talking about a force that is quite profound, that I have direct experience with.  I'm sorry to say, but no other 'energy' compares.
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« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2003, 13:02:38 »

Wow, this topic is hot. I was just gone for one day and...
Okay, let's discuss.

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Yes, you see, the transmutation of sexual energy requires there to be some first. It's my understanding that Taoism tempts until the point of orgasm but retains emission. How's that celibacy?


Pod3, there is a practise in taoism that is like what you said above. This was more like dual cultivation suited for couple. however for those who arehreading on the celibateroad there is also a higher practise which we can call internal alchemy, or self intercourse which is a very potent exercise in converting and transmuting the energy and essence into finer level of energy.

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« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2003, 13:02:38 »

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« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2003, 15:40:31 »

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Sorry, it just rubs me the wrong way when someone says sex helps spiritual growth!



What is it that you have against sex, might I ask?

From my experiences moderation and balance are key to being healthy. Someone asked what balance is, well balance cannot be defined exactly as it is different for each person. For some it may be going without sex, or others it may not be. You must listen to yourself, as only you know what your right balance is.

I personally do not see how celibacy can help, though this is for me. I find that by using Toaist techniques during sex or to cultivate energy (masterbation without ejaculating but to raise engery) I have much more energy than if I abstain from any sexual activities. Infact for me, if I try to abstain I become much to frustrated to do much of anything. Sexual engery can be very useful if you can convert it and cultivate it.

As for loosing sexual engery during dreams, after a while of practicing the Toaist sexual exercises I was honestly completely freaked out one night when I was having a sexual dream, woke up and realized that I was cultivating the sexual energy while I was dreaming. Clearly this goes to show that sex is what you make of it. It does not have to be a release and lose of energy but with practice you can teach yourself to draw engery from it for your other activities, even while we sleep.
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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2003, 15:56:22 »

I'm working hard to get my astral vision just in case I go blind. [Cheesy]

Sorry I couldn't resist.
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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2003, 16:43:18 »

OMG! LOL
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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2003, 16:48:37 »

From what you posted earlier, Travelinbob...I think you better HURRY!!! LOL...[Cheesy]
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2003, 19:13:45 »

If you will pardon my ignorance, what are these Adepts you speak of?

Personally I follow no one other then what I have learned to be best for me. I am open to new ideas and always testing them, learning, and seeing what is best for my growth. I am not offering you empty words but what I have learned from experience. One thing that I have learned is that while I occupy a physical body I should listen to it and satisfy its needs and requirements. Sex is something that is natural and I have found to be a requirement for my own personal health. I have tried going without any sexual stimulation, but have found it frustrating and in the long run more harmful that helpful. When I started practicing the Toaism which taught me to see that sex can be spiritual I finally felt complete and balanced. Here is the book that I learned about the exercises and ideas if you are interested: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0062513362/qid=1057867116/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-4959475-0315934?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

While one can follow the "higher" spiritual path, I still believe that we need balance between the material and the spiritual. We maybe spiritual beings in part, but we are still physical beings for awhile as well.

You clearly seem to have a strong pull or desire to be celibate. Maybe this is the best path for you, who am I to say. If that is the path you wish to take then do so and see where it takes you. Just know that from my experiences it is not the only path.

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Has anyone tried celibacy to raise their consciousness?


To answer the original question, no. But I have raised my consciousness during sex, which can be pretty amazing.
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2003, 21:55:06 »

Fallnangel's last post agrees with the point I was trying to put across about sexual tension -
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One thing that I have learned is that while I occupy a physical body I should listen to it and satisfy its needs and requirements. Sex is something that is natural and I have found to be a requirement for my own personal health. I have tried going without any sexual stimulation, but have found it frustrating and in the long run more harmful that helpful.


This is the way I look at it, as know it to be for many other people. For me sexual tension is not an energy to be used, but a distraction to be dealt with. Sexual tension usually gets my sacral chakra all screwed up, and I have to clear this before I can get my energy circuit revved up again.

Pmlonline,
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. I think a lot of the wiccan practices have created, over the years, an excuse to have SEX!! There, I got it out of my system.

LOL!!! Thinking about some of my wiccan friends you've got a point there.

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Sorry, it just rubs me the wrong way when someone says sex helps spiritual growth.


I'd say it does if you consider it part of a balanced healthy lifestyle.

I've never been one to agree with the philosophy of forcing your body to go without to help raise your spiritual awareness. Too often this leads to complications in other areas of your life which end up being counterproductive. Just as a healthy energy body is a requirement for a healthy physical body, the reverse is also true.
Balance of healthy mind body and spirit is very important.

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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2003, 00:45:08 »

Just don't watch Travelinbob..!! lol..ok..I am sorry, the funny bone has me today..*zips lips*...OMG..there are two funny puns, just from that line alone...

Nay. [Wink]
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2003, 12:52:46 »

There is actually a taoist practise where you can ejaculate, yet still mantain the energ. It involve certain key sound. There are many different level to taoist practise btw.

What I'm trying to say here is that celebrate, err... I mean celibacy would not be good just on it's own. It's not that natural. And it's not like you're gonna be any good at semen hoarding. However being celibate for a long time might bring about certain physiological change, which can be beneficial or don't. I think I've read somewhere that those who are celibate like priest tend to be more prone to prstate cancer. I don't think that it's because of being celibate per se, but because of excessive tension. I feel bad bringing this up but what about the crime that some priest seems to be guilty of(there are more people not guilty of it but that's the nature of the news).

Forgive me but I'm going to use certain eastern term. When someone hold off from ejaculating, to put it simply, they increase a certain form of energy with yang nature. Due to nature of yang energy, it seeks expression. And staying celibate will increase this pressure until a certain point it will let off on its own, say in wet dream. The atoist claim that wet dream is more dangerous than normal sexual ejaculation because you have no control whatsoever, and there is no exchange in energy. therefore they have devise certain exercise for this. For a couple, they can use dual cultivation, balancing male energy, which is mostly yang with female energy which is predominantly yin. The pressure simmer off. But if someone want to stay celibate, there are practise suited for them such as greater kan and li, self intercourse and other exercise. In fact there is  certain level, of certain practise that the practitioner (who wish for celibacy) get to the stage that they produce no more semen. And of course not producing anymore semen they will not lose anything.It is a very advance practise by the way and I don't know much about it.

A simple but in no way a complete exercise to help with the sexual tension would be transferring energy from your sexual centre to heart centre and back in a cycle to transmute the energy into higher level. After enough cycling the energy the practitioner meditate on expressing love from the heart centre (the twin heart meditation is good for this).

And plmonline, maybe your brotherhood have certain practise for this problem?
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2003, 15:34:43 »

Well, my point about the composition of ejaculate was that you could spit saliva upon the ground all day without fear of being depleted so long as you weren't doing it as a matter of psychopathic compulsion.
 

So what if intercourse comes from our lower nature? The lower self causes us to sleep, eat, breath, etc, and we are not trying to abstain from any of these in the hope of higher spirituality.

Besides, the thought of rerouting energy from our corporeal shell in order to perform vast psychic feats reminisces of those who go insane from practicing the pendulum too much or get sick from making a seed grow. The purpose of good majick is the opposite of taking from our lifeforce, in the first place.

Here's another thing which worries me:
Assuming the correctness of celibacy, what are the normal paths of energy through the genitals? When we get to much into not producing ejaculate anymore, are we not straying a little close to cultic castrations?




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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2003, 16:33:06 »

He he he, Nay made a funny! [Cheesy] Glad to see I'm not the only one with a dirty mind. Seriously though.

Pmlonline makes a good point that sex is just for the physical. It has one function, but its effects do permeate into the rest of our being. If you do not balance your energies, impulses, etc, they will become a burden. So as long as we are in the physical, we will have to deal with the sex thing one way or another. If you deny something that is there, it only becomes the proverbial elephant in the room nobody talks about. But it's still there. It does not go away that easily. If you fight it you might loose more energy fighting it than just dealing with it.

Well. That's all I have to say. Got to get back to downloading porn! [Cheesy] Just Kidding. I'm not as perverted as my sense of humor, Nay. Its not like I would go Astral to create a girl with big breasteseses. [:I] Don't write to protest, I'm already sorry typed this.
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2003, 17:17:43 »

Currently there are quite a few misconceptions and misunderstandings in this thread.  From this people are, in my opinion, coming to the wrong conclusions.  I'd love to fill everyone in with the details, but I'm far too busy at the moment.  When I get a chance, I'll post everything from square one.
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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2003, 17:20:52 »

You could always "find God through sex"... Check out www.deida.com

Further, www.multiples.com

I recommend both highly if you'd like to start at the bottom, get a personal feel for what's really happening, and decide for yourself. Me? I haven't decided yet. Smiley But I'm leaning towards sexually active, with some sort of management of ejaculation. (I like to call it "voluntary ejaculation," as opposed to ejaculation control. Wink

For me, logic and love point to sex at the moment, but with a twist (a la the two websites above.)

All the best,

Mark
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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2003, 21:42:10 »

Greeting,

 
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It is not the material body that attracts, but the infinitesimal spiritual spark on life within - that is, the soul. By thinking of the true nature of the body and the soul, we can slowly gain strength to subdue passion. This is the proper use of intelligence. The intelligence must be used to control the mind.”  
Joy of No Sex by Swami Bhaktipada (Palace Publishing, West Virginia. 1988).

 
Sincerely yours,

Osiris.
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2003, 22:18:45 »

Yes, humor is great when talking about something embarrassing..[:I]
must.....have....humor...cannot..... talk.... about...
this......without it...LOL..

But it does bring to mind a question...how many, whom are doing the celebacy, are married or have a significant other?
I know my husband would be like...WHAT???..oh, I think not!  now get undressed and get in bed..lol..[Tongue]

Nay. [Wink]
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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2003, 17:54:36 »

I've always thought it made sense to use celibacy to help induce mystical states/OBE's/LD's, psychic ability, improve meditation, basically raise your consciousness. Figuring that orgasm is a release of "sexual energy", why not keep the sexual energy inside you, let it build so it might somehow be transmuted or tranformed into a different kind of energy that could be used beneficially. I always knew this philosophy had something to do with Tantric Yoga, but never really researched it. Then I came across this article. Please tell me what you think.

http://www.staer.org/Compas/transmuting_energy.htm

Has anyone tried celibacy to raise their consciousness?
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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2018, 06:06:43 »

Well alrighty then!

Control control control - that's mostly what I read here although there were some good points made.

But all that controlling sure wouldn't be inductive to living a spontaneous life and being in the moment.

The body is physical = take care of it according to its physical needs.
The mind is mental = take care of it according to its mental needs.
The rest is 'other/spiritual' = take care of it according to its  needs.

I figure if you do that each part will be in balance on its own and each part will have the necessary energy required to lend to each other part as needed.

I know when I lend my sexual energy to 'other' I receive a great boost in my own overall physical health, emotional health and spiritual health.
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