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« on: November 14, 2011, 02:26:02 »

Everyone who is into knows about the chakra?
Well, they say that the chakra have elements.
There are multifold elements to the chakra system.  I don't really know what they are.
Here is an example of what they could be, like a chart of types.
Bottom Chakra, root chakra
Fire
Sex
second chakra
Water
Wisdom
Third
Air
Power
heart chakra
Blood
Fear/Faith
throat
Air
Intelligence
third eye
Water
Light
Crown chakra
Fire
Time

Does that make any sense at all?

I don't get it myself, the only way I'll know what I'm doing is if I can beat the anti christ that's feeding on me, and with the Perfect Fear Of God I will, even tonight!

ROYGBIV right?
I don't get it, this wasn't even worth posting.
But it seems to me, that the materia you produce in your chakra automatically become the types that the body is geared for.  Earth contains the entire mass of the elements, being the flesh.  Blood considered an element, like some kind of perfect mix.  The elements rise, combine in the heart, and diffuse into perfect Love at the highest chakra.  That's how it seems to me.  I don't know anything about materia actually, all I know I learned from FF7.  Though, it's guaranteed that I knew something about it before I ever played the game, just that existence betrays that fact.

What do you think?
If we power up our chakra system, after, mind you, getting rid of parasite feeders and all their attachments and link ins, then what?  Can we grow perfect whole materia?  And when we have that materia, it continues to evolve itself?  Becoming brighter and more intense as we emanate the energy of the omniversal soul into the Universe baseline?

That's how it seems to me.  As an additional note, each of the chakra prolly have an emotion as well, which is what I was trying to convey.  A real element, Fire Water Air, with Earth containing it, and Spirit directing the flow of the energy, each with their own emotion, activity, and moral quality?  Makes sense to me, I just don't know what they are yet, their definition, or actual structure in the chakra system.
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 21:09:18 »

Ok, by pure logic alone, I deduced a new list/chart of the chakra system.  I don't really remember it though.  I came on here at about four or five in the morning, and tried to post it, my memory was right drained.  Possibly by the God Itself. 

Here is the Element Type List, these are the types of elements that are found in the chakra system.  This is meant as a general overview.  Now, the reason that I'm trying to post something about the chakra is due to that I've never really worked with my chakra.  I knew they existed, yet, focused entirely on my third eye throughout my whole childhood.  I used my chakra, it was just automatic.  There was no development of the energy, it was just used, almost as if taken for granted.

Element Type List 01
Elements
Moral Quality
Emotion
Sense
Color (yay colors sooo pretteh)

Now, here is the Element List.  In posting this, I will reference the fact that I once worked daily on video game ideas that focused entirely on "Elemental Magic".  I developed a fairly intricate system of Elementals, which is permanently engrained in my psyche, so it seems now.

Element List 02
Fire
Water
Air
Earth
Steel
Ice
Synth (sound)
Darkness
Gravity
Electricity
Magnetism
Light
Cartoon

Arch Element List
Truth
Wisdom
Honor
Justice
(these are also considered moral qualities)

Prime Element List
Light
Time
Space

Moral Qualities
Affection
Intimacy
Wisdom
Truth
Honor
Justice
Courage
Bravery
Intelligence
Skill
Submission
Authority
Power
Strength
Mercy
Faith
Trust
Love
Hate
(those also considered emotional qualities)

(that's all I can think of right now)

Emotional Energy List
Love/Pleasure
Courage/Power
Anger/Rage
Sadness/Sorrow
Hate/Enmity
Calm/Peace
Happiness/Joy

Sense
(obviously you know what these are)
Touch
Vision
Sight
Smell
Taste
Hearing
Memory
Prescence

So, basically, and, I won't bother mentioning color, everyone knows ROYGBIV.
Basically, now, I figure that each chakra has two elements and two moral qualities, an element for Front/Back, and a function of those elements in the Moral Qualities.  The emotional aspect is a natural feeling for that chakral location, and can not be altered.  Whereas, the elements would be able to be altered by Mental Focus, or, by applying Sense to that chakral location.

That's what I meant by 'custom gear'.  You aren't just opening a chakra and hey yay let's go for a rip, there is actually an entire science based in the proper and balanced growth of 'materia' inside of your chakra.  That's what the scriptures are getting at when they say, "Produce fine fruit or be destroyed."  It does seem that when you build a materia, it is a solid state emantion of the elemental energy, at the same time as being an emanation deposit or gateway point, you can then begin to tighten it up and condense that emantion into a stable frequency, 'condensing the posterity' as Final Fantasy would have you believe.  The fact that most people are not taught how to manage their materia shows that they grow it naturally as they live their lives.  It's removal can prove hazardous to a living being, yet, in some cases, the materia will have to be removed due to it's poor condition or unbalanced concentration.  Materia!  The real thing, not just the cool little colored spheres in the video game.  It is a reality, and you grow your own out of the infinite spiritual energy.  So whoever got my materia must have had one helluva push, cuz that third eye was so super powered, anyway...

That's what I'm trying to say.  Materia is a reality, and it is not 'shrunken head brains'.  No, instead, it is a beautiful, devoted discipline that has real benefits.  And the type of materia you grow in your chakra will link to the other materia, and produce a general effect.  You can also cast magic with your materia, by activating the energy and either projecting the energy or focusing it's innate elements and charge.

Now, looking to Final Fantasy 7, just wait, let me read the instruction booklet...

Ok.  Yes, this is directly from a copy of the Final Fantasy 7 instruction booklet...  It lists Five primary types of materia.
Independant Materia  (purple)
Support Materia(blue)
Command Materia(yellow)
Magic Materia(green)
and
Summon Materia(red)
In the plot of the game, there are also two very important materia, Black Materia, and White Materia.  It's a good story, anyone who hasn't already played the game should seek it out and play it through, notice and learn from the different types of materia that are in the game to have a more educated basis when forming your own.
So that makes a total of seven types of materia.  One for each chakra.

On the flip side of it, perhaps materia grows no matter what you do, you can possibly grow it and it always grows as the same kind.  I don't think that is how it is though, I think God would have given us the chance to form our own materia.  And, "Every tree that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and burned in the fire."  Some materia can be scrap stuff, garbage.  I don't know how it's possible to clear your chakra once a materia has started growing.  Perhaps repeated banishing?

So that's it.
Any comments, questions?
Are you aware of materia?
Materia can and is regularily removed from people who possess the sheer elemental force to grow high potent materia.  In my case, I made one massive Master Materia out of pure phantasy, violence, sex, and inner sight, insight, and even precognitive vision.  SOMEBODY, got the mother load out of me.  You should have seen how big my head used to be, and that, is where the necromancers in LA come into play, they took it, those buggers, they took the Master Independant Materia directly from my brain, infused with hyper energies and a heinous concoction of emotions.

Now, my materia is a Command Materia, likely with little flakes or streaks of purple, some visuals there, nothing like it used to be.
Also, when materia is removed, given proper dedication, it continues to grow.  In the game, FF7, there comes a point when the materia you have, say, Lightening materia, levels up, and a new magic can be used.  Then, later on, after much time playing the game and gaining points, the materia becomes a Master Materia of it's own type, and, "Lightening Was Born".  I always loved seeing it on my screen, "Elemental Materia Was Born". 

So that's it.  I greatly thank Square Enix and the team who created FF7 for the hints and revelations of materia.  A life saver!  Now, to actually get into this and start cranking out the heavy hard White and Purple.  I can do it, I know I can.

You'd prolly have to talk to some Japanese Underworld Lord to learn more about this stuff, we have FF7 as the basic indicator of how it works and what to do.  The list I provided is one type of list, possibly, you can create any kind of materia, I don't know.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 23:35:15 »

Materia is the latin word for 'matter'.  another good word is 'element'. 
Chakras are vortexes that are assigned to certain parts of the human body.  They are energy vortexes, and affect the physical as well as the metaphysical.
Each of their correspondence has to do with qualities, and the colors and elements of these correspondences are all related.
If you want me to connect all of it I'll be glad to, but I can't ATM.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2011, 02:30:51 »

I'm almost certain that you can generate the same sort of 'materia' as is found in the game.
Let me try to remember, the game defines it as, 'condensed posterity which enables the use of magick by activation of knowledge'.  Hm, well, that's not the exact definition.  But basically, it's taking life energy, and concentrating it in the chakra.  When it gains a certain level of concentration, it becomes a materia.  Then, you can wield the materia freely, until someone steals it!!

That would be 'concentration'.  Another way, perhaps the pure and true way, it to 'emanate' the chakra, in this case, materia can still form, but it is a temporary materia that dissolves after you let go of the emanation 'frequency'.  That's probably the true way to do, though, having a materia inside wouldn't hurt at all.

I really recommend finding the game "Final Fantasy 7" and paying attention to the materia system.  It's how you play the game.  The story has many interesting plot elements yet at first it won't make any sense.  Second or third time through the game, you'll see that the story does make sense.  Well ok, it's Final Fantasy, it doesn't have to make sense, it's not the same world as Earth.

Back to emanation, emanation is not projection.  It does not require any concentration, only a perfect, pure focus.  As you emanate, your aura grows.  Worship of God or Spirit is the best way to emanate the most wholesome energy.  I just had a lay down, and focused my mind on total silence.  In the space of about a half hour's conscious time, only fifteen minutes went by on the clock.  Looks like I'm getting my 'powers' back, though, risk of heart failure due to neuroleptic overdosing tomorrow.  The poor thing is getting paralyzed from all this, and the stress. 

Don't you think that something like FF7's materia could exist?  The game speaks in detail about a 'life stream', once you get to Cosmo Canyon, you'll learn a lot about it.  I've played the game since it first came out back in 97, and I'm still trying to understand all of it's encoded symbols.  For instance, if you concentrated enough light into your root chakra, your penis would glow in the dark. jk.  But no, really, it might have some effect, making it larger or stronger.  And same thing, so much light into the brain chakras, and you would have increases of materials.  The materia itself, the thing that I'm getting at is specifically, 'custom equipment for daily ritual use'.  The interesting thing to me is what types of materia can form, how many types there are, and how they effect the entire system and organism, and aura as result.  Got to keep the aura in mind!  Fire in the root chakra could be good, could be bad.  The key would be to balance the elements.

I would like to hear more of what you have to say.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2011, 20:57:37 »

Materia is the latin word for 'matter'.  another good word is 'element'. 
Chakras are vortexes that are assigned to certain parts of the human body.  They are energy vortexes, and affect the physical as well as the metaphysical.
Each of their correspondence has to do with qualities, and the colors and elements of these correspondences are all related.
If you want me to connect all of it I'll be glad to, but I can't ATM.

I'd be interested in what you say also.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2011, 22:26:34 »

Well, it's not going to have anything to do with FF, although many gaming systems borrow from established metaphysical authors for their cosmology.

The chakras are energy points that are supposed to be located along the body's central channels.  According to some authors, they are like transducers, in that they connect the physical body with the energy body, or interact with it.  Of course IMO the physical and etheric are expressions of the same expressed in a way that can be perceived.  They can be considered indicators of what's going on in the body, or even symbolic of it.
The color assignment has to do with how far from the physical it's attributes are- the chakras are counted from the bottom, the bottom being the closest to the physical being assigned the color red, which is the 'slowest' of all the colors in the visible color spectrum.  (Infrared is slower, but it's not visible, for example.)  
As you go up the chakras you see correspondences and symbols of being, once again, following the principle of 'ascension' as a symbol for 'farther from the physical, closer to spirit, higher in frequency, embracing symbols that are less earthly and more transcendent.
I imagine the Hindus realized that the human body is also constructed in such a way that these correspondences can be seen- for example, in the head (the highest physical location) is where you think, corresponding to a more conceptual way of 'being', while the bottom of the torso is where all the earthly fun and survival-oriented stuff can be- sex, elimination, walking on the earth.  I think this is interesting, and points at the idea that they were on to something, IMO.
It's interesting that the heart chakra is in the middle of the system, and considered the highest of the lower chakras and the lowest of the higher chakras- not too lofty and abstract, where emotion is felt, also the home of the feeling of love.  Sure, emotion is felt all over, but the heart areas are the ones where love is felt the most.  Probably has more endorphin receptors, but I'm guessing here.
The thing is that this correspondence thing seems to make sense once again.

Now I'm going to name each chakra (Not in Sanskrit, but in English)-and tie it all together.  So it goes in a logical way and en evolutionary way, so to speak, starting from the bottom up.

The root chakra, in your perineum is  red, symbolizes the earth, and all the survival instincts.  The feet are connected to this chakra via a channel on the inside of your thighs.  If you ever want to test this connection, pour water in your groin, and 'feel' it run down your legs to the instep of your feet, even if they're up.  It's weird, but it works.
The root chakra is where the survival instinct is, and where you sense your connection to the physical.

The second one is the sacral chakra, and it's where the sex organs are (in the female, where the uterus is, and in the male probably around where the prostate is).  It extends to the tailbone, it being roughly in the middle of the torso's central channel.
It has to do with creativity, reproduction, emotion, and artistic expression.  (Notice that these are all forms of creativity, some more biological than others).  The color is orange, a little 'higher' (faster) than red, a little slower than yellow.  It's element is water, which is the element of the female intuition.  So when your intuition is 'on', that's one of the chakras you're using.  Remember the phrase 'go with the flow'?  Yep, creativity when it flows.
Sex is also part of the chakra system, but it's not all what it's about.  Creating art in any of its forms, following your intuition, having an insight are all related with this chakra.

Third chakra, solar plexus.  It's a large chakra, it's color is yellow.  It symbolizes the will.  Because of where it is (north of the earthly stuff, south of the heart stuff) the will can be positive or negative, will with love is good, will with anger may not be.  It is the chakra of power, and this can be sublime or not, depending on how it's directed.  A hot chakra, has to do with fire, but can be tempered with water or air.  (Air is the element of the heart chakra).  When you combine earth (root) with solar plexus, you might get some stubbornness, but more than likely you're a survivor.

As we go up we have the heart chakra.  As I said before, the heart chakra is in the middle of the system, and can temper both tendencies (survivalism vs. too much intellectualism).  It's color is green (a little faster than yellow).  One of the reasons why the color pink is associated with 'love', (or softness) is that when you look at green for a certain amount of time and then you look at a white wall you will see pink- so even though the color of the chakra is symbolized as green, we tend to perceive the emotion (love) it emits as pink.  Sounds a little kooky, but it makes a certain kind of sense.  Besides the emotion of love, the heart chakra is symbolized by the element of air- that general location is where the lungs are, and if you add heart (air) to will, you have the ability to project this will, that is tempered by love.
 
Now you go higher, and you have passed the middle up into the throat and mouth chakra system.  The color of this system is blue or aqua, depending on who you ask.  Once again, the wavelength is shorter (faster frequency).  You use the throat and lungs together to vocalize, and it has to do with vibration.  Here you direct your will to be expressed with words.  It is farther from the root chakra, and less interested in physical action (you know, there are people who are talkers, and there are people who are doers....) you get the picture.

Now you get higher to the famous third eye, or brow chakra, and the color is either a deep blue or a violet blue.  You can see how the color frequency continues to climb, and the concept behind it's use is less physical and more conceptual.   You think with this chakra, you 'see' with this chakra system.  (The third eye is part of the system).  Depending on your general tendencies, your thought process may be more 'mental' than 'physical', it all depends.  What you see also depends- some people only see what's physical, others see what's mental, the symbol behind the form, some don't.  Clairvoyants have a well developed third eye, while intellectuals may also have a well developed third eye that is pointed at the mental plane instead of the astral plane, for example.  I believe the symbol of the head in general is the moon (the solar plexus and sacral chakras form the sun body, IIRC).  The element is peobably some form of Akasha (note that you went from bottom to up, in the order of earth, fire, water and air.)  Akasha is quintessence, the primordial. (which sounds contradictory, but it really isn't.)

You finally get the highest chakra that is located in the human body, which is the crown.  The crown is the highest of the physical chakras, the one that connects you beyond the physical, and it's color is not a visible 'earthly' color- it has been described as either white, which is all colors together, and also as ultraviolet, which is not visible at all.  Other systems make it 'gold' (not 'orange' gold, but more a conceptual idea that the metallic color of gold is more than elemental.)  There is no physical element (I think even Akasha is too manifest for the crown) and it's all about connection with God and transcendence.  I imagine it is the highest attainment while still alive, but now I'm just guessing.

It seems to me that if you look at the human body in a certain way it's just a reflection of the macrocosmos.

Holy moly, it turned out humongous.  I divided into paragraphs, to help the eyes a bit.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 22:58:21 »

Ok, thanks 'girl'.  LOL, thanks CF Traveler.  That's awesome, that's the same system that I read about in a book, I forget what it was called though.  "seven sacred chakra' or something like that, it had a long title following the main title, and lots of cool artwork that symbolized that chakra.

So if we were to worship God, or Source, then, the chakra system would naturally overflow with energy and the elements would align themselves and create the natural energies that go along with what you just said.  That's what I was wondering.  I thought that if materia was a real possibility, that we could focus our chakra, and custom design our own materia scheme.  Some mor effective than others.  From the looks it, that was false.  Though, I know that you can form a materia from a psi ball basis, it takes about three days of continuous, alert, focused emanation to create a materia from a psi ball base.  I've never done it, I just know that psi balls are real, so materia follows due course of emanation and getting a 'solid state' emanation.

So, that's it.  Now, I'm going for a walk to worship God Source and try to rejuvenate my system.  Online, in the chats, and with the schizophrenia vampire attacking me day and night, I'm severely drained of energy.  They are even pulling on my lower chakras.  It's amazing that I can still visualize, but physical vision is highly deteriorated.  To the point that I can no longer roll my eyes up into their sockets, I'm losing physical basis from all the vampirism.  I figure, a good hour or two of solid worship, if God allows it, and I'll be back in shape, and ready to regrow my lost physicality.

Thanks CF, that helped to clarify that yes, I did know some of it, and that, yes, there is a definite chakra system.  I asked my Nurse today, "Did you ever practice chakra meditation?" and she said, "Yes, in some workshops.  The key is to become fully relaxed, then, you can make use of it."  So we'll see.  When I get worshiping, I don't relax, I get intense energy and soon, start using psionic complexes and all that thought form stuff, even casting different types of magick, in the astral, not the physical.  I don't get it, why does everyone say to relax?  If you have energy, you are not relaxed, but if you relax when you have energy, then you get a big boost of astral experience.  That's what I remember from being a child and into all things.

Do you think that materia can form inside of the chakra, if we really try?
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 03:22:19 »

From a metaphysical point of view, all matter comes from energy; that's what matter is.  So the act of the universe creating itself is the same as focusing energy and creating what we call matter.
So if you focus energy into a specific chakra and keep in mind it's attributes, theoretically you should get some sort of result, depending on what you are trying to do.  However, also realize that matter is expressed in timespace, so it takes time and requires space for this to manifest.


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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 12:47:47 »

Well written CF. That was a good read.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 08:29:30 »

Earth
Water
Fire
Air
Sound
Light?
Mind? Time??
And all of this contained in space.

Space, being the 'ether', right?  The component from which all things are manifest.  The mind in focus, at time, equals a concentration of space.  I still think that we can form materia.  I already know that if you devote yourself for three days to the creation of a psi ball, you can form a materia that way.  A psi ball then being, a focused external chakra.

In the chat rooms, I've heard people tell me that 'this energy is very low, I can hardly stand to be in here'.  My energy is depleted and I am in need of replenishment.  Worship of God seems to be the answer.  So I worship directly from the Chakra, I should be able to fill them up with energy again.

A long ways away from creating the fabled Final Fantasy "materia". 

What I'm trying to figure out is whether or not our personalities, expressions, language, and thought processes are custom designed by our use of the chakra system.  For instance, if we focus the color purple in our earth chakra, will that make us a better lover, or a 'smarter lover'?  Or if we focus the color red at our crown, will that make us more technical or scientific?

Really, it's like you say Blix.  It takes time and space, but without a mind to focus that concentration, we are just phantoms.  Some might feel safe being a phantom of some kind, a spectra that daunts to perform good work by his/her mindlessness in action.  If we can customize our chakra system, then the whole aura as a Prescence will have a definite effect on basis of the entire unified energy network.  So if we find a combination that works for us, and we crystalize it into a materia system, then we can evolve physically.  Otherwise, we only have astral travel to look forward too in the future.

I've heard that each chakra level also represents a layer of the aura.  There is about a one inch wide space between the physical body and the first layer of the aura.  To be very honest, I never believed in this stuff until just recently.  Now that I notice my chakra being emptied out and drained on a daily basis, and actually really suffering from it, it's time to power up and either put pure life source, myst, raw psi, or elemental energy back into my system.

So that brings me to this... does our physical activity also feed our chakra system?  For instance, walking, every footstep that we take boosts our earth chakra.  And again, the more we sit and remember our lives, the more developed our brain will become, and also the third eye chakra, to the point that we can communicate over time streams and enter past lives.  Or the more time that we do mental things, the more developed our crown system becomes.  The more that we have sex, the same.  Can we literally feed from our senses, and expand our aura by productive activity?
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So that brings me to this... does our physical activity also feed our chakra system?
Absolutely.  It's a two-way system, it's why we're here.  Or so I think anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 03:51:01 »

That was a really nice read CFT, thanks!

Earth
Water
Fire
Air
Sound
Light?
Mind? Time??
And all of this contained in space.

Space, being the 'ether', right?  The component from which all things are manifest.  The mind in focus, at time, equals a concentration of space.  I still think that we can form materia.  I already know that if you devote yourself for three days to the creation of a psi ball, you can form a materia that way.  A psi ball then being, a focused external chakra.

In the chat rooms, I've heard people tell me that 'this energy is very low, I can hardly stand to be in here'.  My energy is depleted and I am in need of replenishment.  Worship of God seems to be the answer.  So I worship directly from the Chakra, I should be able to fill them up with energy again.

A long ways away from creating the fabled Final Fantasy "materia". 

What I'm trying to figure out is whether or not our personalities, expressions, language, and thought processes are custom designed by our use of the chakra system.  For instance, if we focus the color purple in our earth chakra, will that make us a better lover, or a 'smarter lover'?  Or if we focus the color red at our crown, will that make us more technical or scientific?

Really, it's like you say Blix.  It takes time and space, but without a mind to focus that concentration, we are just phantoms.  Some might feel safe being a phantom of some kind, a spectra that daunts to perform good work by his/her mindlessness in action.  If we can customize our chakra system, then the whole aura as a Prescence will have a definite effect on basis of the entire unified energy network.  So if we find a combination that works for us, and we crystalize it into a materia system, then we can evolve physically.  Otherwise, we only have astral travel to look forward too in the future.

I've heard that each chakra level also represents a layer of the aura.  There is about a one inch wide space between the physical body and the first layer of the aura.  To be very honest, I never believed in this stuff until just recently.  Now that I notice my chakra being emptied out and drained on a daily basis, and actually really suffering from it, it's time to power up and either put pure life source, myst, raw psi, or elemental energy back into my system.

So that brings me to this... does our physical activity also feed our chakra system?  For instance, walking, every footstep that we take boosts our earth chakra.  And again, the more we sit and remember our lives, the more developed our brain will become, and also the third eye chakra, to the point that we can communicate over time streams and enter past lives.  Or the more time that we do mental things, the more developed our crown system becomes.  The more that we have sex, the same.  Can we literally feed from our senses, and expand our aura by productive activity?

I am convinced that time and space are pure illusions for the sake of experience. I'll share a little bit of what I believe could be true and maybe you can work bits of it in to your theory if any of it feels like it fits to you. I will try to keep it short, but I promise that won't happen, so read on if you dare (or if you have nothing better to do).

I believe that we are eternal, that the driving force behind these bodies that we walk around in is eternal, and it exists in eternity or "no-time" with no sense or even conception of any form of separation, and I believe this is our truest nature. We get glimpses of this unity while in altered states of consciousness, which is why I feel so strongly about it.

In order for experience to happen, and therefor growth, there must exist separation so we created this "field" in which we could experience and grow. This field has been called many names over the centuries and misinterpreted many times and even forgotten about and then re-speculated on (unified field theory), but it's not too hard to understand the original definition of these words if you have experienced this field before first hand. Some call it a/ether but this shouldn't be confused with space (which is to separate experience in 3D space-time). In the bible and Christian philosophy it has been translated as the Word (capital W in the bible) or in it's greek name simply Logos. It is within and OF the logos that time and space exist. The logos connects everything in the known and unknown (to us) physical universe and it is from this field that everything physical is created, including your physical body. You are not your physical body in the sense that that is all you are. Your physical body is made from the logos and the logos is made within and of the force existing in eternity, and this is the true driver of your body, simply observing reality through the lens of the human machine.

In a very real sense we develop a split personality when we enter into the logos to experience. Our physical bodies, being made of the logos have certain limitations and therefore cannot handle eternity in it's entirety or the "will" that drives our self (singular) in eternity to experience. This is one of the main reasons that I believe we are born into physical reality with a "clean slate" so to speak. When we are born we develop our "logos" personality also called an ego. The ego isn't something that I look down on though, I just look at it as a necessary part of experience. Ego is necessary for survival in the beginning part of life in space-time, and survival is a MUST in space-time because life exists and therefore so must death. I believe that this is why we have implemented the use of the chakra system and I believe CFT's post explains this process quite nicely. You can see the sense of the order of the chakras when looked at like this, it is almost a road map. We move up the chakra system as we progress in life fulfilling the different "felt" requirements. The first being survival, the second being sexual (to procreate so that more of yourself in eternity may fracture itself and be born into physical reality to grow) and then after that the chakra system leads to a process of self-identification and eventually realization of true self. They are all intermingled and tied together functioning as a whole, yet each has it's own separate function as well.

To comment on Ego really quick, I do believe that another part of "growing up" or maturing here in the physical is the process known as "Ego death" which I know may not sound all that pleasant, but I think that it is this critical part of growing up that most of us in modern day society do not go through. This process isn't all that unheard of, in fact it is one of the main goals of Buddhism. I believe this ego death happens when a certain amount of personal growth and preparation has been attained and the indescribably described clear white light of the crown chakra is seen/experienced. In this state you are for a brief moment in touch with your eternal self, and hence are liberated from the illusion of the ego, attaining self-realization. This is the point of ego death, which is followed by a rebirth into a life not clouded by an egotistical mind set, allowing your true self to come forward allowing you to accomplish the task you set for yourself upon entering into the logos (which is to grown/expand/experience). We live in a very narrow-minded society and the type of growth that we need cannot come from science alone in my opinion. The universe is expanding, and it (we) have no intention of slowing down or reversing that process. Expansion/growth is our goal and we achieve that through experience/gaining of knowledge. This is why the Logos was created, so we can grow and learn about our self.

So anyways, since space-time exists in eternity, every experience that is had in physical reality exists in the ever eternal NOW (aka eternity). It all exists simultaneously. When you decide to experience, you enter into the Logos and you experience through the medium of 3 dimensional space-time where time is merely a separator of experiences and only seems to exist as an ever moving onward flow for the sake of stable experience. In reality all "past lives" happen simultaneously because in eternity there is no past or future. This also tells me that the universe is not infinite in size, only in potentiality. It has the potential to be of infinite size because it's "dimensions" exists in no-space and no-time.

TOGETHER (even though we are indivisible in the truest of forms) we create this entire reality/logos experience. The proof of this has been demonstrated in quantum physics many times over. An observer is a MUST for coherence in the quantum world, and now you understand the true meaning of "observer" as I personally see it. The logos exists in a state of probability until observed and morphed into perceivable physical reality. All of the particles/waves/energy that create the logos conform to our desire to experience reality the way we think we should experience reality. This concept is easy to grasp with an open mind and a little exposure to quantum mechanics, however this discovery still goes largely unnoticed by the general public, and most people who do know still don't quite fully grasp the extent of the implications. This physical reality experience is nothing but condensed vibrating energy in the form of waves/particles. Your brain uses your five sense to interpret all of these different waves and wavelengths of energy bouncing around and we experience these waves in the form of feeling hot and cold, seeing, hearing etc. That is all this is. Your brain is literally painting the picture of reality in your head.

I knew that would turn out longer than I wanted it to be. I have rambling problem, I apologize.

In closing, I think it is interesting to note that a lot of the indigenous South American tribes suggest that the majority of the modern world is still asleep and hasn't woken up yet. They believe that life is no different from a dream, only that it is shared dream which we all create together (sound familiar?). Wake up to the dream that is life.

This is just how I look at life, I'm not trying to impose any universal truths or anything like that, merely a perspective to add to the countless others out there. Take it as you will.

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2011, 04:19:22 »

Ok, thanks Dotster.  That explaination of the 'observor' does allow me to understand it clearly.

In looking at all that, I have to mention this thing.
That, when we are born, we are infantile, infants, and as such, we spend a lot of time in an emotional dream state, and our minds are clean, able to grasp and understand many things at once.  When we learn language, we learn to label things, to catagorize, and to break apart into our own little egotistical cliques the various things which are percieved.  For instance, for a biologist, a tree is not just, 'a tree', a tree has nerve like things and conduits for making sugars and petals that use light in a way which I can not describe.  And then, there are many types of trees.  Ok, that wasn't what I was trying to say.  I just so happen to like biology, so I wanted to make mention of it.

WHAT, I was trying to say, is that we enter life through our crown chakra.  We are born from that quintessential energy, 'the eternal' so it seems.  We are infants, our bodies are weak, even something as simple as being left in pee can have reprocusions that last a life time.  Likewise, being left in the cold or in the sun too long can kill an infant.  When an infant dies, it has an easier time returning to the "God Source", or "Source", and it will reincarnate as it deems fit.  Sometimes, a child might die out of sheer disgust with the world it has immersed itself into.  Anyway, now, onto what I was trying to say.

We enter life from the crown chakra.  As we grow up, our minds are active, hence, we like video games that move fast and keep our minds in a race for the next kill of whatever zombie thing it may be.  We learn language, and here, in my opinion, language is one of the greatest killers of true intelligence.  Cats talk all the time, the wind even speaks, seemingly inanimate objects are always talking.  Today at the doctor, I mentioned a 'magnetic echo' and how it is actually my own mind that is drawing the acoustic energy out of the objects.  He was slightly impressed with that.  So, as we grow older, we develop our chakra system from the top to the down, and as we grow even older, we begin to develop it from the bottom to the top.  For instance, when we become teenagers, we begin to experience sexual feelings that weren't there before.  And there comes a point when we lose all hope and faith in everything, and possibly become mentally ill, at which point, we must build up our faith again.

So it goes in cycles then, am I correct?  We start in a highly animate, visible dream world.  One of my obstacles in life is overcoming phantasy.  I've clung to it for so long, and yes, there are powers and abilities associated or directly in tune with the phantasy state of mind.  As we age, we get rid of fantasies and dreaming, and go into porn or whatever, some prefer money, some enjoy making good, honest business proposals, and as we age and 'mature', we use our chakra in different ways.

Is that right?  And even in the course of seven days, our chakra can be used, intigrated, and released into pure sublimine light.  Now don't think crazy, I did everything I could for the phaentian/shadow people to ensure that they had the ability to transcend my control, and more so, the control of others.  There were regular periods of releasing the phaentian people into the limitless light.  That's something that just has to be done, or a part of you dies with them if they die.  Seven, right?    So really, if we want to become a chakra/materia being, we can.  If we don't want too, we can be like an infant, and die instantly and return to the endless light. 

You know, I used to believe that we were all One Source.  I called it Harmony and would thank and praise God beneath the starry sky.  My Harmony has been broken for a long time.  Somehow, I don't think that focusing on my chakra will do anything for me.  I never worried about chakra before, and if I did focus on chakra, all I would want from it is materia.  Effectively, one of the big questions I have been trying to ask in this entire thread, is this...

If we live our lives normally, and go about our business and have experiences, and work within our conditions to achieve the best reality, does the chakra system naturally balance out and enable stable energy flow, as, empathy?
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2011, 09:28:52 »


We enter life from the crown chakra.  As we grow up, our minds are active, hence, we like video games that move fast and keep our minds in a race for the next kill of whatever zombie thing it may be.  We learn language, and here, in my opinion, language is one of the greatest killers of true intelligence.  Cats talk all the time, the wind even speaks, seemingly inanimate objects are always talking.  Today at the doctor, I mentioned a 'magnetic echo' and how it is actually my own mind that is drawing the acoustic energy out of the objects.  He was slightly impressed with that.  So, as we grow older, we develop our chakra system from the top to the down, and as we grow even older, we begin to develop it from the bottom to the top.  For instance, when we become teenagers, we begin to experience sexual feelings that weren't there before.  And there comes a point when we lose all hope and faith in everything, and possibly become mentally ill, at which point, we must build up our faith again.

So it goes in cycles then, am I correct?  We start in a highly animate, visible dream world. 


I think that is a very appropriate way of looking at it yes. Cycles are only a natural part of life, this is clearly evident in nature.

As for your view on language, I completely agree. Don't get me wrong, I think language is an amazing thing, full of complexity and innovation. It's really a form of art. I love studying different languages, it's probably my biggest obsession. I do believe that we have become reliant on this art form though, and I believe it is one of the main factors contributing to the "blindness" of the nature of reality. The logos is by all means the ultimate tool of expression. Just as you do not consciously control a dream until you become lucid and aware in that dream, you do not have much if any conscious control of the logos until you have woken up and realized the dream that we call life. Telepathy, empathy and the like are in my opinion are mere shadows, hinting at the connectedness of things. They are like a bleed through experience of the logos into your "sleeping" state of conscious awareness in life. Using the logos to communicate is the ultimate form of communication from one fragment of the "divine" to another within the logos. Literally shaping reality to convey meaning. This is the ultimate universal language, in my opinion. If you look up logos, you will find it is VERY intimately tied to language.  

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You know, I used to believe that we were all One Source.  I called it Harmony and would thank and praise God beneath the starry sky.  My Harmony has been broken for a long time.  Somehow, I don't think that focusing on my chakra will do anything for me.  I never worried about chakra before, and if I did focus on chakra, all I would want from it is materia. 

Harmony is the dance of the logos. I don't believe that harmony can be broken in actually, only in seeming. The human is literally MADE to recognize harmony. An example:

Leino S, Brattico E, Tervaniemi M, Vuust P.
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Apperception and Cortical Dynamics, Department of Psychology, University of Helsinki, Finland.
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In Western tonal music, the rules of harmony determine the order and music-structural importance of events in a musical piece: for instance, the tonic chord, built on the first note of the diatonic scale, is usually placed at the end of chord sequences. A brain response termed the early right anterior negativity (ERAN) is elicited when a harmonically incongruous chord is inserted within or at the end of a musical sequence. The present study was conducted to test whether the ERAN reflects the processing of harmony rather than the building of a tonal context and whether the ERAN is also elicited by violations of the tuning of the sounds upon which harmony is based. To this aim, ten subjects listened to musical sequences containing either expected chords only, a harmonically incongruous chord in one of three positions within the cadence, or a harmonically congruous but mistuned chord in one of the three positions. Simultaneously, the electroencephalograph (EEG) was recorded. Incongruous chords violating the rules of harmony elicited a bilateral early anterior negativity, the amplitude of which depended on the degree of the harmony violation. On the contrary, mistuned chords, violating the rule of relations between all the sounds in the sequences, elicited a bilateral fronto-central negativity (the mismatch negativity, or MMN). The MMN was not modulated by the position of the violation within the musical sequence and had a longer peak latency than the anterior negativity elicited by the harmony rule violations. In conclusion, violations of the harmony and tuning rules of Western tonal music were found to generate specific and distinct electric responses in the human brain.

link here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17300763


An easy way of saying this is humans can easily recognize when things aren't in harmony and it effects us in physical ways. If you have any experience with music or play a musical instrument you will be quite aware of this effect. If you mess up and play a wrong note and it is not in harmony with the rest of the orchestra you stick out like a sore thumb. If you accidentally hit a wrong note but it is still in harmony then no one will ever know the difference (unless they were intimately familiar with the piece).

I personally don't believe that you need to thank any God beneath any sky. You are in effect a tiny piece of original source bound into and peering out of the lens of the human being. As long as you appreciate yourself for exactly who you are then I think that is all of the "worship" that ever needs to happen. That and maybe an appreciation of the logos and what it allows you to do. It makes up EVERYTHING, and you are as much a part of it as it is a part of you. It bends and conforms to our shared will and it supports every moment of our experience in "life".

You also seem to be extremely interested in materia, so I'm assuming that you are interested in manifesting matter into physical observable reality yes? You might be interested in reading this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/192871/MPO-LERM-Collected-essays

You are already familiar with the concept of the Logos but in these essays they use another name. You will recognize the concept. One thing you need to be familiar with is what they call the bio-mind. A lot of people are familiar with with the brain that we call the Triune brain (which consists of the old mammalian, old reptilian and neocortex) but are unaware of the other "brains/nervous systems" in the human body. These are the heart-brain and the enteric brain (or stomach brain). Many people have difficulty thinking of these as having brain function because we are accustomed to the brain being a very definite shape and in a very definite place in the human body and the gut and the heart do not resemble the cranial triune brain that we are familiar with in the least. It is very true though. In fact about 60 to 65% of the heart cells are neural cells. Do some research on these two other brains and you will be astounded. There is not a lack of evidence supporting these brains, there is just a lack of knowledge and/or interest. Read those essays though if you don't mind reading, I think they are right up your alley.


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Effectively, one of the big questions I have been trying to ask in this entire thread, is this...

If we live our lives normally, and go about our business and have experiences, and work within our conditions to achieve the best reality, does the chakra system naturally balance out and enable stable energy flow, as, empathy?

I personally believe that this answer depends entirely on the individual experience. I think with most modern day conditioning (minus a few exceptions) the answer is no (assuming that you mean "balance out" as using the chakra system to it's full potential). I can't be sure though. All I can go on is what I believe, and while that's enough for me, it's probably not enough to convince anyone else beyond myself so all I can advise is to do your own research on the subject and come to your own conclusion. If you want to learn more about developing the "chakra system" then I would personally recommend looking into kriya yoga.

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