omcasey, could I ask your opinion where kundalini exists in regards to the OBE experience?
For myself, I'm trying to work out where the relation is with it and other metaphysical experiences.
As with Stookie inquired, it seems to be, as you put it, a possibility put forth as a result of ALL forms of metaphysical events.
Do you think it's possible for a person to fully experience metaphysical events without the raising, or even the belief of kundalini?
Just trying to understand it's place. Thanks! ^_^
Hi Xanth.
Before sharing where I am in my evolution of experience with the Kundalini, please let me say I am using no existing, external framework to relay this. What I am about to say is rising directly up out of my own experience and shows principally the way I, myself, am perceiving things.
When I use the word Kundalini I am usually referring to either 1) Universal Energy and/or 2) the highly tangible,
strong (this needs to be emphasized) energetic sensations I feel through my body as a direct result of the Universal Energy interpenetrating my personal energy (what I normally call “me”) at a molecular / subatomic level. This is what I
feel happening- in simple words, what is clearly a larger energy merging with me. There is almost endless phenomena associated with this.
Okay......
I am trying to understand how these are related as well, Ryan- Kundalini and the OBE (/AP/etc..).
This is where things may get challenging for us, though, depending on how willing we are to let our definitions blur, enough for meaning to get through.
I tend to not draw too strong a line between OBE, Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming. To me these are all essentially the same and when I lump them together I refer to them, collectively, as consciousness expanding experiences. I understand that based on the way they are being experienced they may be
defined to be different and/or
defined to be the same but in all cases they are and remain, in essence, consciousness expanding experiences.
This seems to me an important phrase ‘consciousness expanding’, it is what many OBErs, APers and Lucid Dreamers acknowledge first and foremost when events first begin to take place. It is relatively clear what is happening is happening in Consciousness - in Mind --- to bring the Kundalini in, steps what is happening into the arena of ‘energy’ and of course body. Into the physical reality.
This is where alot of lines are apt to be drawn. It is one thing to lay down, close your eyes, and within what is clearly ‘mind’ experience the non-physical realms. It is quite another to concede to the same (ie: experience the non-physical) with eyes open in what appears to be your primary reality. It is not an easy line to cross.
Kundalini experiencers are doing just this, however. An acknowledging of the essential lack of division between Consciousness and body is arising within them and they are quite literally becoming a manifestation of the Idea that Consciousness is the substance even our (physical) bodies are made of. It is a unique way of including, -we could say ‘of ascending’ the body (/physical being) to the very high status of Consciousness rather than discarding it.
Kundalini, in the way I am relaying can either exist, or not exist in the OBE experience. In the case of the latter, and of what is necessarily then a manually attempted OBE, I highly suspect the Kundalini is indeed enticed. Meaning, the manually attempted OBE in time could bring about the Kundalini. Experiences could begin bleeding through into what one knows as their physical reality.
I hope this addresses your question(s).
If I came up lacking in any one key area please let me know..
Casey
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