Kundalini

[astralc]

Distant bell & Grenade01

a friend of mine told me that when he came back from India after visiting his guru he met a devotee of a kundalini yoga ashram on the plane. She was heading home and was quite distraught over her time in India. When questioned she said that her guru raised the kundalini in his devotees. He was always trying to get her to give in to his method, finally she agreed to have him raise her kundalini.

She then said that he made her have the biggest orgasm she had ever had, in front of everyone, she had never been so embarrassed or humiliated. She left the ashram as soon as she could. She said that she felt violated. She never told him how the guru did it though.

From my understanding of kundlani through tantra, it is just sexual energy, moving or flowing though the whole body rather then just the genitals. Tantra is basically training yourself to use this sexual energy through lots of exercises and meditations. There are heaps of web sites on tantra, but few with any real information, lots of people think tantra is just prolonged sex, but it is more than that. Good luck.

Astralc

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[kakkarot]

astalc: kundalin isn't just sexual energy. it is energy of the spine. using it can give the user "good feelings" but so can almost any form of energy if it is used in certain ways. but i do agree that one should be cautious; i have read some stories on the internet about extremely disastrous kundalin awakenings. and the few web sites that i did visit almost all said that it is quite common for kundalin awakenings to be filled with some sort of negative aspects and experiences.

distant bell: try sitting in a rigid meditative position, with the spine ABSOLUTELY straight, most importantly the backbone that runs through your neck and into the base of you head. then try focusing on just your spine. after a few seconds of focusing on it, you should feel something slightly "weird" going on in it. when you feel this, slowly take a deep breathe and as you inhale close your eyes and try to make the "weird" feeling move up your spine, starting from the small of your back (actually start from whereever feels natural. if you don't know where it feels natural to start from, start from the small of your back). if you get it right, you should get a feeling akin to the feeling you get from a really good sneeze, but probably less powerful. then try moving the energy back down the spine. and know that, for me at least, it feels different going down than it does going up so don't think that something wrong it happening if it does feel different.

hope this helps. if not say so and i will see what i can do about finding some web pages for ya.  

~kakkarot

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[ralphm]

i look at kundalini as energy from meditation, that flows when you still the mind and relax the body.the only group that i remember that did intense kundalini work was Yogi Bhajan's. i think he taught a lot of breathing stuff(pranayana) that directly worked on kundalini.the most intense experience i had was from focusing on my heart chakra- just pull in cosmic energy through your crown and earth energy through your feet or first chakra and focus it in your heart.

 

[observer]

There's a saying "be careful what you ask for, you may just get it."

This is not an energy that you can dabble with.  It requires respect in the extreme and you can expect to become mentally and possibly physically transformed by it.

I recommend reading the following before you start lighting that match in a room full of gas.

http://aloha.net/~bpeay/kundalini/kundalini-faq.html

good luck.

 

[Tia]

I have to agree with Observer.  Kundalini is not something that can be played with and then put away - it will transform your life.  In most cases it makes it difficult to 'live in the real world'.  I had a friend who raised his Kundalini without any bad physical side effects.  He had a Guru and was practicing the breathing and Yoga for 3 hours a day.  His wife threatened to leave him as he gradually 'withdrew' from the physical world - was even dangerous for him to drive as he always seemed to be in a trance.  Unless you live in a Monastery or commune and want to devote your whole life to spiritual practice - then forget it.  

 

[distant bell]

There is another saying to " do not paint the devil on the wall"

I do not think that kundalini is much different than NEW - and we all play
around with NEW don´t we..  
It´s a energy raising method- not a way to invoce great satan.

Felix

-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

[Fenris]

Something ive read about Kundalini in The Wiccan Mysteries by Raven Grimassi.

This comes from a chapter on sex magic

...Another goal is to raise a form of power from the base of the spine. In this area resides the Kundalini or serpent energy...(insert christian church knowlede restriction cliche here http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0> )... the gaol is to bring this energy up to the third eye where it will give the person almost unlimited power.

Certainly sounds heavy to me!

regards

Fenris



Veni Vidi Vici

[Ides315]

Hi all.

I am not sure, but it seems to me from the reading/research I have done on vatious kinds of magick, that Kundalini is activating the lower chakra. I believe Freud referred to it as "Orgone".  Robert warns about "playing around" with it. I have read other places that you should initialize from the top down, to remove the "sex" that goes with that power center. Those sources say if you start at the groin area, activate that chakra and the rest are not ready to "come on line" and absorb the enrgy it can create various problems.

I have "played around" with initializing different chakras first to see the effects. I do not recomend starting there. I was able to send the energy through my system when I started there, but it was not easy (to even the flow), and it took awhile to remove the "lust" that came before the power spread out. If I start in other places and then go there it is not a problem. No sexual overtones. And yes you do become a little less attached to the physical, but for me it causes no interference with living, more of an enlightenment, and a "reality check" of whats really going on.

Best wishes.

 

[junkie]

hi ides,

i don't understand, do you recommend to start at the base chakra or somewhere else?

 

[Grenade01]

Hmm
From what I gather (from reading a lot of hindu literature...although Im retarded so dont quote me)
Generally a kundalini awakening brings energy up your spine  all the way to the top of the head.  Its often referred to like a serpent coiling up the tree of life or something like that.. I guess the leaves and branches would symbolize the way a crown activation causes energy to sort of sprinkle over you.  It seems like kundalini refers to a more volatile inner energy then that of the easy going energy we suck up through our hands and feet.
some say that hatha and kriya yoga can help
but I dont know
I rarely feel energy in my spine, but on the few occasions I have...its been a bit weird
Ive been focusing a lot on my spine lately...

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[Adam]

I wouldn't bonk around with Kundalini if you don't *know* what you are doing. I'd recommend to just let it happen as you progress on the spiritual path. It's a natural energy - It'll happen when it needs to happen.

Read Robert's article on Kundalini, and there's a good example of someone pushing it out, not letting it out. It's possible to go insane if you push it too far.

Adam

 

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I have read lots of warnings about Kundalini, yet I have not seen really any examples of the dangers. Yes I have heard lots of statements about the possibility of going insane, etc. Some would say that Jesus and other spiritual leaders were insane. Are these just fears that people spread due to lack of actual knowledge or for control? There are those that say astral projection is evil, you will get lost and not be able to get back, etc. Now I am not saying that Kundalini energy may not be dangerous. My point is that I would just like to find the truth and get past any possible myths. Where is Robert's article on Kundalini. I do not think I have seen it, though I could have just missed it.

My suggestion to you is that if you are interested in it then learn as much as you can about it and then practice and learn for yourself. As long as you go slow I do not see what harm can come. If something starts to feel wrong then stop and learn what is wrong. Good Luck!

 

[steveb]

Greetings all, seems to be a lot of confusion in regards to kundalini, chakra's, energy raising ext. I haven't great expeirance of these things.
        I look at the hole thing like a "garden watering system" (and no, I dont take drugs) , think of it this way.  Youv'e got,    TAP (water supply=energy)   HOSE ( kundalini )   SPRINKLER HEADS ( chakra's )     GARDEN ( self, spiritual growth )
         Now, everything is in place to nurture the garden.  If we turn the tap on a little the water will come out of the sprinkler heads. If you dont know the requirments of the plants in the garden it takes a lot of fiddling with the sprinkler heads to get the right balance.
           Now, If we just turn the tap fully open, youv'e got the chance that you might blow the hose and pop the splinkler heads, this could have an adverse affect on the garden.
            I suppose what I'm trying to say is that we must know what the garden wants, custom build your sprinkler system, it takes time, really look at the garden, make a strong hose then turn up the pressure.

             I cant believe I used the analogy of a sprinkler system, it just came out.

 Regards  steve



 

[Ides315]

Hi junkie

No, my recomendation is to start at the crown chakra and awaken each chakra coming down. This way your energy system is better able to "recieve" the energy. And it should avert the problem(s) that come from starting with the kundalini and moving up. This works for me, and how I was taught. But it was not by a "guru", just someone who new there energy systems.

With the warnings I have heard, make sure you know what you are doing.

best wishes

 

[Tom]

Expecting trouble before setting out does not help any more than starting out without any idea of what will be involved. A teacher of mine told me that there is no way to prepare for kundalini or to control it in any way. Kundalini seems to bring pain and disruption with it and many people say that it almost killed them, but it also seems to bring with it the information needed on what to do to get through it. Actually, the biggest troubles don't seem to be the physical pain (which my teacher told me was so bad as to keep him from standing up at times and which he described as having his body re-shaped a little at a time). The most of the suffering seems to be the emotional and mental re-arrangements. Being around other people can aggravate this. My teacher had problems when going to work, and customer service was not a good field for him to have been in during the worst of it. When I told my teacher about having read something on chakras or kundalini or energy or even meditation he would usually just laugh at me for taking it seriously. He said that most of the stuff I read was completely irrelevent.