so how do you actually raise your kundalini?

[Stookie]

I honestly don't understand why people get so defensive when Selea posts... it's like the information is damaging to their current practices and belief system or something. Much of what she's says I've read somewhere at some point - it's not like she's making it up off the top of her head.

If you don't like or agree with Kundalini and what it is, then ignore the thread, but there are people that do and practice it and could use the help. If you have a counter argument for incorrect information she's giving, go for it and I'm sure Selea will respond back respectfully. No one ever does. Tell her she doesn't know what she's talking about without a counterpoint and you probably won't get much respect. Understandably.

[Xanth]

For future reference too...

Selea, are you a guy or a girl?
Everyone is referring to you as a "her"... but I facebook-searched your email address to confirm, and it comes back with "him" and such.

[blis]

I'm actually with the Capt. here.  I'm really starting to believe that Kundalini is nothing more than a superiority complex.
It's just a new age metaphysical reason for people to feel superior over others.  Nothing more.

I'm tempted to ask why you think that but I dont want to prompt something that might offend others.

I've no experience of kundalini so I cant speak with any knowledge of its existence but I tend to consider vedic knowledge rather credible.

I'm not speaking for your case as I dont know you but with myself I often find that when I feel people are feeling superior its actually just my own inferiorities that are making me feel that way. Not always of course because some people do just have superiority complexes but if its getting to me then thats usually a pretty good sign that I should look inwards. Again I'm not accusing you of anything and dont mean any insult, its just an insight I've made about myself that may/may not apply to others.

[Xanth]

vedic knowledge

I don't mean to derail this... but I'm just curious what that means. 

[blis]

Stuff from the Vedas. I havent checked but I assumed thats where the kundalini stuff comes from. I thought all the old indian stuff came from the Vedas. I read some of the srimad bhagavatam years ago and found alot of wisdom in it. It got me interested and I started looking into the upanishads and other stuff. I've had a lot of respect for vedic knowledge since then. I even started trying to teach myself to read sanskrit before I got sent to prison. It was super hard though so I dont intend to take it up again.

[Capt. Picard]

You have all this experience with Kundalini, so what? How do you know what youre inducing has any significance at all? Look up Kundalini psychosis, real psychiatric disorder. If growing up means conforming to your ridiculous fanaticism, I'll stay young. Anyways, just give me one example of the real benefits of inducing kundalini that normal safe meditation dosent give you. As for youre poorly thought out jab at "sleep paralysis" we've already argued this and what I call paralysis others call trance. And I dont need it, I can also lucid dream or project without being aware of the paralysis, but it is OBVIOUSLY there otherwise you act out the same motions as you are doing in your projection, not unlike sleep walking. Anyways, I cant wait to hear it, prove that kundalini experience is significant and is beneficial. LOL, Selea you are gonna have so much trouble with trolls who dont actually care about your 10 paragraph responses, which by the way have yet to present anything intelligent and equate to you whining and throwing a fit over people disagreeing with your stupid statements.

[blis]

Well I looked up kundalini psychosis and it succeeded in scaring me off learning kundalini yoga from a book. So I thank you for that. I'm definitely leaving it alone until I can get a teacher.

Cant we all get along though and have a respectful adult discussion about our different viewpoints? If you post in anger/scorn all you get back is the same. No one wins.

[grzazek]

I think LSD is pretty closely related to kundalini

[omcasey]

I honestly don't understand why people get so defensive when Selea posts...

Goodness, seriously?

Before even going into anything specifically said, the communication style is highly confrontational.

I am not even sure I can state it as a communication style as there seems very little attempt to communicate (two-way) at all, just and endless barrage of oppositional statements.  Even from the outside of the conversation looking in, it is quite off-putting.  CFT shows the only true course, in not encouraging the continuance of such a course.  Real communication can be so beautiful, like a finely played chess game, or a dance- while this is often more like a food fight.  I am not shy about sharing my Kundalini experience, but this is not a place where I feel I even can due to all this.

[Selea]

Please don't push your clearly unstable emotional state onto me please.

Thanks a bunch.  

Sorry, in my juvenile interpretation I thought you were feeding the troll just to have something to say against me. My fault. How can I be so idiot?

Apart this, sorry but I couldn't avoid it, simply because
"When you reconcile with authority you become yourself an authority" - Jim Morrison.

I'm actually with the Capt. here.  I'm really starting to believe that Kundalini is nothing more than a superiority complex.
It's just a new age metaphysical reason for people to feel superior over others.  Nothing more.

You see what bothers me about you is not that you have an opinion, just the contrary. You don't have one. You assume two weights and two measures depending on what it is being talked about, and this, I must tell you, it is really silly and you must acknowledge it.

When you talk about things you like, as Frank and Monroe Focuses then you use common grounds, structures of experiences and terms of paragon. You don't say that the RTZ is the same as Focus 4, or that Focus 2 can mean whatever one wants and can be any other Focus depending on who experiences the same, or anything as that. If I would reply to someone telling that he was in the RTZ while he obviously wasn't and I will say that there you will have nothing to object to it. You wouldn't say I'm imposing "belief structures" on others.

When instead you talk of what you think is "bogus" or you don't care for, then there MUST be no common grounds, no structures, no terms of paragon. Everything is only subjective and doesn't mean anything at all and can be everything at the same time. So, when I say to someone that Kundalini is not what they think you have to object saying that I just impose my "belief structures" to others.

I act as a superior towards you just because you change your point of view depending on the occasion. This in turns makes me not take seriously what you tell because it is biased and has not foundament.

Then, apart this, talking of things you haven't not experienced yourself as if you know what is being talked about is pretentious and do you think I have to abide to what you say?

[Selea]

For future reference too...

Selea, are you a guy or a girl?
Everyone is referring to you as a "her"... but I facebook-searched your email address to confirm, and it comes back with "him" and such.

I am a girl (well, I would like to... I'm more a woman ). I use to put I'm a male in my facebook address (that I don't either use, I just used once to contac someone) because in some places some people act strangely when behaving with girls.

[Selea]

You have all this experience with Kundalini, so what? How do you know what youre inducing has any significance at all?

Usually if someone has experience on a thing and someone doesn't, the one that doesn't have any at last should have the good will of not acting as a know-all in the argument.

Look up Kundalini psychosis, real psychiatric disorder.

Everything can bring up psychiatric disorder, and, for example, how you behave it is a little warning for you. You are too emotional and certain practices can bring you just the psychosis you talk about in your help.

If growing up means conforming to your ridiculous fanaticism, I'll stay young.

So, let me guess. I am a fanatic because I experienced something and I share this experience. You are not because you talk of things you know nothing about as if you are an expert and in so doing you bring forth assumptions that you cannot either prove yourself. Omg, I must be wrong on the meaning of the word.

Anyways, just give me one example of the real benefits of inducing kundalini that normal safe meditation dosent give you.

Awakening a certain current that enables you to do things you cannot do with normal meditation. Apart this, some effects that are irreproducible in other ways.

As for youre poorly thought out jab at "sleep paralysis" we've already argued this and what I call paralysis others call trance. And I dont need it, I can also lucid dream or project without being aware of the paralysis, but it is OBVIOUSLY there otherwise you act out the same motions as you are doing in your projection, not unlike sleep walking.

Dreams and Sleep paralysis can coincide (and usually they does) but are not mutual. One can exists without the other. A typical example is Sonnambulism. If it was as you said and sleep paralysis brought dreams than sonnambulims would not exist. You think they are mutual only because you don't know how to discern when one or the other happens.

Try this. Stay for 1 and half/2 hours perfectly still. You need to do nothing specific. You will see your body will go to "sleep", i.e. it will be in what is better called "automatic rigidity", e.g. sleep paralysis. Would this mean you will have an OBE? Absolutely not. You will have to do something to start dreaming. Same happens if you conquer an Asana, much faster. Naturally when the body doesn't give signals to the brain is easier to shift attention, but the two things are not mutual.

You can see this also if you practice lucid dreaming in the morning. REM cycles and sleep paralysis are tied to coincide, but as the time to enter the twos diminish, there are some incongruences. For example you can enter a lucid dream while being in the physical body and NOT have sleep paralysis. After a while SP will come and you will "jump" automatically in the dream.

These naturally are things that you can reproduce. If you were able to start an OBE willingly you will already know this by yourself without me telling you. You don't absolutely need to bring sleep paralysis before being able to dream. As I told you and you seem to don't want to hear is that the term OBE includes a lot of experiences. Not all of them include shifting awareness fully in the "other"  or "dream" body.

Then if you call "Sleep Paralysis" trance I suggest you to use another term, because trance is NOT sleep paralysis.

Anyways, I cant wait to hear it, prove that kundalini experience is significant and is beneficial.

I already told you. If then for beneficial you talk about dating the girl you like so much, then not, I'm sorry, for you there are none, I guess.

LOL, Selea you are gonna have so much trouble with trolls who dont actually care about your 10 paragraph responses

So you define yourself a troll. Good to know.

[Selea]

Goodness, seriously?

Before even going into anything specifically said, the communication style is highly confrontational.

I am not even sure I can state it as a communication style as there seems very little attempt to communicate (two-way) at all, just and endless barrage of oppositional statements.  Even from the outside of the conversation looking in, it is quite off-putting.  CFT shows the only true course, in not encouraging the continuance of such a course.  Real communication can be so beautiful, like a finely played chess game, or a dance- while this is often more like a food fight.  I am not shy about sharing my Kundalini experience, but this is not a place where I feel I even can due to all this.

Excuse me but what there's is of no communication in my style? I am just direct. What would be the pourpose of telling you: "maybe you exchange Kundalini for something else, in my opinion, but maybe I'm incorrect so do what you want"? None.

Face it, you don't like somebody telling you that something you do can be incorrect or you can exchange something for something else. That's the ONLY problem.

If with an argument you can prove that I'm incorrect I will admit that without problems. However please don't put forward this "I cannot handle this type of communication" because it's only a silly lie to yourself.

The truth is that you have nothing to say contradicting what I mention, you don't either know if it is true or not (and you seem to neither care) but it MUST be wrong because you don't like to hear it. That's the only problem, isn't it?

I've seen you specifically for example many times talking of Kundalini and other related things and, sincerely, you have no clue of what you talk about. I'm sorry to say this (I'm direct but not so much) and you can feel offended by it if you want, but consider this: what's worse? That my words can indeed offend you or that maybe I can be right and you do things in a wrong way? Think about it, don't be emotional, then reply. Thanks.

[Selea]

Well I looked up kundalini psychosis and it succeeded in scaring me off learning kundalini yoga from a book. So I thank you for that. I'm definitely leaving it alone until I can get a teacher.

Cant we all get along though and have a respectful adult discussion about our different viewpoints? If you post in anger/scorn all you get back is the same. No one wins.

Kundalini can, and is, indeed dangerous if you *can* awake her without proper preparation. While this is very rare, it can happen in some predisposed individuals. In this case, however, if there's nobody to bring her down you will simply die.

Psychosis and the likes happens only when people do a thing exchanging it for another. In this case, yes, it is common. The other time this can happen with Kundalini is if someone awakes her without you being equilibrated by Samadhi. But this is even more difficult to happen.

Other psychosis are related to sexual currents, but not properly to kundalini. One example is the rising of the same current used in kundalini in the muladhara as it is done in Prayoga.

[omcasey]

Excuse me but what there's is of no communication in my style? I am just direct. What would be the pourpose of telling you: "maybe you exchange Kundalini for something else, in my opinion, but maybe I'm incorrect so do what you want"? None.

Face it, you don't like somebody telling you that something you do can be incorrect or you can exchange something for something else. That's the ONLY problem.

If with an argument you can prove that I'm incorrect I will admit that without problems. However please don't put forward this "I cannot handle this type of communication" because it's only a silly lie to yourself.

The truth is that you have nothing to say contradicting what I mention, you don't either know if it is true or not (and you seem to neither care) but it MUST be wrong because you don't like to hear it. That's the only problem, isn't it?

I've seen you specifically for example many times talking of Kundalini and other related things and, sincerely, you have no clue of what you talk about. I'm sorry to say this (I'm direct but not so much) and you can feel offended by it if you want, but consider this: what's worse? That my words can indeed offend you or that maybe I can be right and you do things in a wrong way? Think about it, don't be emotional, then reply. Thanks.

Selea,

Thank you for your time and attention, friend, I send you love..

I would never dream of setting myself against you in argument and debate, you are very right about this not being the way I enjoy experiencing any potential relationship with you.  What I share with those who are open is my perception of what I am currently experiencing (sometimes as it relates to kundalini).  I draw no hard, fixed conclusions about any of it.  I leave the event entirely open, flowing, as all life is.  The idea of being right or wrong does not enter my mind.  What I am experiencing exists with no capacity for this, for it is not a static thing.  It is living and breathing, supple and rhythmic- changing in every moment.  I relay this all wholeheartedly, as best I can.  People know where to find me if they wish to speak.