TO Mr Bruce: about Kundalini

[karnautrahl]

Whatever created our universe and all of reality-isn't going to be bothered about judging. We are pretty good at doing that ourselves.  The "Creator" probably just likes the experience of all life being lived throughout all of reality, and probably is just observing all...because "he/she/it" doesn't necessarily know what life is going to do next.
We are all rather daft if we think we have any real handle on knowing the "Creators" will, likes/dislikes or anything. Hence why I refuse to acknowledge any faith as my own. I'll only go by experience..my own experience.  Hardline fundemental beliefs to me are onto a loser...again an opinion.

I use "Creator" in the way I do, because I don't know what label is the right one. So I use this cautiously.

[SirLeon]

Read this, it's quite interesting.

http://www.gnosis-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=43

And Kundalini isn't a force that only the eastern traditions talk about. It is universal, although always hidden in symbols.

The real goal of alchemy is to raise the kundalini force in our body and unite us with our god.

We aren't gods.

We are nothing, we must be humble.

We betrayed our god and that's the reason we are in this state.

The apple that Eve gave to Adam is a symbol. The apple means DESIRE. We fell through sex, because sex is sacred and we have profaned this.

Kundalini can't rise with respiratory exercises. They are useful but they can't awaken kundalini.

Kundalini can be awakened only with the power of sex. With the practise of sex through husband and wife.

[GuardianMasterAngel]

hi!
Your post I found impressive, until about halfway through.
"We aren't Gods" No there is only one God, but since he is the source of everything we all must be part of him. The same applies for GOOD and BAD.
"We are nothing, we must be humble" And where does it say that, the Bible? Wasn't the Bible made to control the masses? Do you not think it funny that the Bible allows for royalty, Kings and Queens but preaches that we are all equal?
Some of those scribes that wrote the Bible were whipped and beaten.
Is that Holy?
"The apple means DESIRE." What? so we all are supposed to supress DESIRE? It would be your desire to supress desire, so DESIRE you cannot escape.
"Kundalini can be awakened only with the power of sex. With the practise of sex through husband and wife." Well that is one way, but my Kundalini has awakened spontaneously.
You don't have to let religion become your prison, I would know because I have been there.
BTW: That, serpent that lead us all into temptation, is actually our Kundalini!

[SirLeon]

I promote no RELIGION. All religions are true, all religions say the same thing but they say it with symbols and that's why we see them as different.

So you think that desire is something natural? For the animals yes, it's the way of living for them.

Do you have free will? Or you do something to satisfy a desire that you have?

Are you happy with life in this planet? Do you think that emotions like anger, lust, envy, gluttony are human? I think they are animalistic.

The bible was made in oder to control the masses?

Son of God died for us and the bible that talks about his life is something to control our lifes?

Don't believe anything you read, investigate!

Study the four noble truth of Buddism if you want to learn about desire.

Legend has it that the first teaching of the Buddha Shakyamuni revealed Four Truths to humanity. He said, "It is through not understanding, not realizing four things, that I, Disciples, as well as you, had to wander so long through this round of rebirths. And what are these four things? They are the Noble Truth of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Extinction of Suffering, the Noble Truth of the Path that leads to the Extinction of Suffering."

1. Life is suffering. All sentient beings suffer.

2. Desire is the cause of suffering.

3. Suffering can be overcome if desire is removed.

4. There is a path to the elimination of desire.

Have you awakened kundalini?! So you can control the four elements by will? You can summon thunderstorms by will! You can heal anyone that is sick by will! Bravo!

(don't confuse the energy that can rise through ida and pingala with kundalini though...)

[karnautrahl]

(don't confuse the energy that can rise through ida and pingala with kundalini though...)

And here's me thinking that's exactly what it is...once you clear and raise it through those channels you bring it up the center..

There is some moralistic stuff in your post there SirLeon. Please don't assume that the answers you have found must be true for all.  Our very beliefs *can* be our own prison.

[SirLeon]

There is some moralistic stuff in your post there SirLeon. Please don't assume that the answers you have found must be true for all.  Our very beliefs *can* be our own prison.

I agree with that. Don't believe what i say, or what someone else says. Investigate!

We have so wonderful tools to acquire knowledge through direct experience(Gnosis). It would be a shame to believe what others say.

There is a temple in my country(in Delphi) where in a sign it says "Man know yourself". Thalis from Militos, a great greek philosopher, said upon this "Man know yourself and you will know the universe and it's gods".

Peace and light for all of us,

[SirLeon]

So you say that as if by magic nature will make us divine beings in the future? You rely on the future for this?

You say that every person in the earth has his own truth?! Truth is only our father who is in heaven.

In the past people believed that the earth was flat. That doesn't mean that back then the earth was flat. The facts are facts!

If you throw a glass from the table, that will break even if you believe the opposite with all your heart. Our beliefs(the truth of every person) have nothing to do with reality.

To sum up, as you say, fulfill our desires as much as we can now that we are half animals...

After a while nature(earth ascending) will take care of us...

[GuardianMasterAngel]

"So you say that as if by magic nature will make us divine beings in the future? You rely on the future for this?"
Not by magic, it is a question of energy, the frequency of the Earths energy is and has been raising for quite some time now, it is called the shumann resonance or something along those lines.
The raise in this energy will make us divine, not magic.

"You say that every person in the earth has his own truth?! Truth is only our father who is in heaven."
Very easy to say, but would you care to explain the dynamics of that.
Is that your own observation? I think you are partly right.
"If you throw a glass from the table, that will break even if you believe the opposite with all your heart."
I am not sure why you have said this to me, the glass' reality is not the subject of our conversation, our believes are our own truth, so how can our own truth affect the reality of the glass? We are not the glass we are throwing.
"Our beliefs(the truth of every person) have nothing to do with reality."
Our beliefs determine our own reality.
"To sum up, as you say, fulfill our desires as much as we can now that we are half animals..."
Why are you summarising yourself what I am saying to try to improve your argument, why don't you QUOTE what I have written?
I did not say we should fulfill our desire as much as we can, I do say do what you want to though, and I did not say that we are half animal, I said that the nature of humanity is half animalistic, half-divine.
"After a while nature(earth ascending) will take care of us..."
No Earth will bring in the new energy, with which we will ascend.
All that we are both doing here is trying to invite each other to see the other's point of view.
It would appear that this is not working.
The main point that I am making is that life is choice, any notion that it is not is an illusion, and you will probably find this out for yourself.

If you are interested in the planetary ascention these links may show you something you might like to see:

www.diagnosis2012.co.uk
www.experiencefestival.com/2012
www.experiencefestival.com/buddhist_prophets
http://www.prophetsmanual.com/content/index.cfm?navID=21&itemID=24

If not I wish you well on your Journey  

[SirLeon]

Sorry if you see this as an argument, thank you for the links  

[GuardianMasterAngel]

No it's not an argument, I enjoy this kind of discussion it helps me learn too!
The links are quite insightful aren't they?
What do you think of them?

[SirLeon]

I don't know about the knowledege in the links yet, i prefer to investigate first.

Thank you although for giving them,

[pod_3]

Hehe. Stick it to the "Illuminated." Noone has heard the saying about tapping the pulsating, surging dynamo of Satan? Most are like the Dragon Ball Z crowd, who say they are fully plugged into the God of Forces.

[star]

hmm maybe a bit off topic, I hear that the energy of kundilini while rising, will blow out the side of your body if your chakras are not ready, ouch.


think there's any recorded instances of that?


omg! he just exploded!

[karnautrahl]

Since it's relevant can anyone explain why my kundalini yoga session last night-and last weeks session-causes me to need more than 5 pints of water during the day, actually today I've lost track of how many big and little drinks of water I need. I haven't altered my diet or any other exercise routines.  I do get the heat up the core of my body when I contract mahbandha.  Today I moderated the resulting sex drive severely-deliberately. Not sure if that influenced the water thing though.

[sweetbliss]

Since it's relevant can anyone explain why my kundalini yoga session last night-and last weeks session-causes me to need more than 5 pints of water during the day...

Hi, Karnautrahl!

You follow, probably, a practice which heats your right energy channel, especially the liver. That's why you feel like drinking so much water. Hata yoga (asana practice) can have such an effect. Or are you meditating on the 'inner fire' or something similar? I don't know, it shouldn't work like this, Kundalini is beyond elements (beyond fire, too), so she will balance and sooth the thirst (even the spiritual thirst hehehe   ). If you explaind a bit what the technique is, I could try to give a better answer, or ask a bit around. You can sent me  a private message, if you want, I'm curious about this techniques.
I'm also practice Kundalini Yoga (Sahaja Yoga), but never got such symptoms.

Oh, sometimes I feel like eating more, especially when meditating to enhance the spiritual level of the people around, to purify: one burns then energy and need proteins   ; otherwise, during a nice meditation day, a hardly need to eat or drink.
So, about the thirst: either you are clearing the liver and the right energy channel of the people around or the technique you are using is heating the liver.  

All the best!