Healing Power of Raw Vegan Food - Free Recipe eBook

[Astir]

You sense nothing. Your sense of my attachment is an automatic response to your lack of understanding.
I am free, but I just have to correct you...so that someone doesn't come in here and get hurt or very sick by trying this. You do not understand...someone who believes there is a miracle like this around the corner for every person is divorced from reality.

It only takes 10 seconds to take your insulin...it isn't an ordeal. Believe me, I poke my butt a few times a day. It's not a big deal. Easier than remembering to take your vitamins. Synthetic insulin works as it should and it is only harmful when someone does not know how to properly use it. And to take it if they do not naturally produce it any longer.

Synthetic insulin does not deteriorate the body. That is so ridiculous.
The lack of insulin...will, however, deteriorate the body because it is a necessary hormone needed to metabolize all food, raw or cooked...I'm telling you...Within 8 months 95% of Type 1 Diabetics make absolutely no insulin. The immune system destroys the cells in the pancreas that create it and continues to destroy them until they are gone. This is because they are not differentiated (by the T cells) from foreign cells. And they do not grow back. There is no insulin in the body that could even be used to metabolize raw foods.

What would happen (to a type 1 diabetic on a raw food diet in conjunction with taking absolutely no insulin) is the blood sugar would elevate over time...exponentially. Then the type 1 would -- because type 1's are very prone to it -- suffer from Diabetic Ketoacidosis. Which DOES deteriorate the body. Both muscle and fat begin to waste. They call it "decay" when this happens to a diabetic. It can reach a dangerous point in just a day. It can come out of nowhere and worsen rapidly. If untreated (e.g., no insulin or IV fluids are administered) the condition is fatal. It would happen to any true type 1 diabetic who stopped taking insulin no matter how nutritious their diet was. There is no food that can be metabolized without insulin.

The decision Sergei's mother made for him was completely unfounded and abusive. She lacked education. And nowdays, her son would have been taken away from her if social services knew she would deny him insulin therapy. Flat out, this young man and the "diabetics" in these "studies" never were diabetic or they would be dead. It's all a work of fiction. If I ever spoke to a mother making this kind of decision for her diabetic child I would call social services immediately.

I'm just glad my common sense isn't compromised by a bunch of greedy frauds selling fairy tales...but for some it might be. No one who is, likes being diabetic...but they have to take their insulin to live, or else.

Really, you must read The Discovery Of Insulin. Check the local library. A semi-large library will carry it.

[Astir]

So it seems to me a possibility that if raw vegan food does not contain the autoimmune trigger for diabetes (or at least a lot less of it) and the pancreas is still functional to a degree that the body will be able to repair it.

No...I wish. The body cannot replace or repair islet cells without stem cell therapy. A strange thing was discovered last year or the year before...and that was that while most organs in the body have stem cells within them to regenerate damaged cells, the pancreas does not. Which is why it does not repair itself. But also, the perpetual barrage of fighter T cells damages them even if they are transplanted back into the pancreas...The former islet cells, if reintroduced, will still be persecuted by the immune system, which is a very complex thing. They do not ever "grow" back.

Nobody knows why people become autoimmune. But there are 100 theories out there. One is that while gestating, a mother may transfer cells to the baby which disorient the child's immune system.

Another is that there is a viral infection which mimics the structure of cells in the body, causing the immune system to attack both the virus and host...(I accept this one as most believable).

Some suggest children are over-immunized and that this warps the immune system into becoming autoimmune.

It is not something in food. Because people have been getting type 1 since ancient times. There are records that describe type 1 to a T. Most people then had very dissimilar diets compared with what is normal now. So food is out. Poor diet is absolutely never the cause of type 1 diabetes. It isn't even an accepted theory in the medical community. I can promise you that.

.....When I was first diagnosed actually, my Endocrinologist told me how heart broken a family was when their 11 year old boy (who had always been on a raw vegan diet, vegetables that they even grew themselves) was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. They even waited a bit too long. They waited until he went into Ketoacidosis, because they just couldn't come to terms with the fact that something went wrong. But they finally got a grip and took him in to the hospital where he was treated for Ketoacidosis.

I should have mentioned that story before I began writing a novel in this thread. 

[Astir]

Oh and...
I'm not saying the diet isn't healthy.
I'm just saying it is not a cure for type 1 diabetes.

And I must tell you as I age, I experience even more joy. More than most people. It's a joy that is uncompromised by disease. That is something to strive and hope for. Happiness is the universal solution. You might call me divorced from reality too just in my own way.

[Mez]

hello melody and astir.

melody the notion that astir is ATTATCHED to having diabetes is just silly!!! Im sure anyone would love nothing more than to find a permanent cure but it seems that these "miracle" cures are very misleading. Although there are instances in which some patients of disease do experience "miracle" cures... Personally I dont subsribe to the notion that they are miracles... the patient merely did something different and got a different result. I myself am very interested in health and disease and ALL the ways disease can be treated. Astir your experience brings you first hand knowledge (the best kind) and like I said I would love to read that book on insulin. The information about the pancreas containing no stem cells is new to me, thank you for that and yes it does make it impossible then for the pancreas to regenerate sadly. Im currently researching into certain autoimmune diseases as I find them extremely interesting, lately they've just come right into my life which means one thing... STUDY THEM! The story of the young boy developing type 1 diabetes whilst being raw vegan his whole life is interesting... I dont think we can conclude indefinately that the autoimmune trigger is or isnt in the food (any kind)... Whats interesting to note is that "The type-I diabetic went from an insulin intake of 70 units to 5 units. The other type 1 diabetic remains completely healed of diabetes ." forget the second half of that qoute because i dont quite believe it... but the first part from 70 units to 5? what is going on in the body to make that kind of change? (if thats even true but lets suppose it is for arguments sake)

"According to the research of the New York Times, there are 21 million diabetics and 20 million pre-diabetics in America, the same in Europe, and more in India and China. At the current trend, 1 in 3 children born after 2000 will have diabetes, but it was under 1 in 100 at the turn of the century. Yet still many say life-long medication is required, and diabetes is “incurable” by nutrition."

Its become blindly obvious to me that more and more people are being diagnosed with diabetes and younger kids are being diagnosed with type II diabetes which is generally an adult disease. Look at the numbers 1 in 100 at the turn of last century and 1 in 3 after 2000. If you do the same things you've always done you get the same results you've always got so the numbers indicate to us something has definately changed (for the worst) but the question is what? The answer is simple... Our Diets. Diets 100 years ago would have been much different now im not a food expert so i dont know all the details but i know one thing for sure and that is there is so much JUNK FOOD and poor dietry choices these days and they are most likely the underlying cause for such a huge jump in the number of diabetics. I also theorize that if the disease is hereditary its possible it has been bred into more and more people but i doubt this HIGHLY!!! In terms of the diet argument in relation to the vegan kid who was diagnosed with type I, we know its heridatary so its likely the kid had a genetic pre-disposition... im not saying its the only case (cos it wouldnt be of course) in terms of diet in relation to the SAD (standard american diet) the percentage increase of diabetics is PHENOMENAL and of absolutely EPIDEMIC proportions. Those numbers speak to me. They jump right off the page and say "something changed dramatically here and its nothing but bad news"... which leads me to thinking... If say 1 in 3 people (born from 2000 onwards) where are we gonna be in 2100? Will everyone on the planet have diabetes? The numbers suggest we are heading in that direction... just imagine if the entire human race was dependant on pharmacuetical companies. People could be controlled so easily because if they stepped out of line their insulin supply cut and they would die. Now i know thats an extreme situation and im just speculating here but dont you think thats where we are heading? Whilst there is no scientifically recognised permanent cure the numbers alone speak to me... diet is a major contributing factor to diabetes. Astir thank you for all the information you've shared with us its been a big help to me and I agree with you those websites claiming to cure diabetes completely with a raw vegan diet DO border on malicious... however I dont beleive their INTENT is malicious, i believe they have good intentions and maybe what they are doing is working somehow in some way on some people (but not all im gathering). Im going to look further into their claims.

Astir you mention you too are coeliac... have you done much research into coeliac? I was doing some today and I found the history of the disease very interesting particularly its turning point in the 1950's... I have not a clue why ONE tiny study of 10 children changed the face of coeliac the way it did when there was so much support and evidence for its previous "cure". The previous cure was more than just a gluten-free diet it was a diet which restricted the intake of particular carbohydrates, it was said that if a patient followed this diet strictly for 12 months they would be CURED of their coeliac. Now im not one to say "thats BS" but i do certainly find it a very interesting read and it seems like its a viable cure although it leaves me asking... do they mean that following that diet for 12 months (having no autoimmune reactions) will stop any further autoimmune reactions for good? I have heard thats possible although not any use to diabetics really but certainly coeliac sufferers.

here is the link:
http://www.scdiet.org/7archives/scdceli1.html

[melody]

You should trust in my knowledge because I am a qualified authority in that I come from experience.

Hello Astir,

You might be an authority on the medical interpretation of diabetes, but you have never tried raw vegan diet, so you could not be an authority on that.

Just consider this... Man belongs to the animal kingdom. No other animal than man eats cooked food. Eating cooked food is a relatively new development in the evolution of a humankind. Their metabolic system is not made to digest it, and it had never properly adjusted to doing so.

You are putting a lot of energy and into defending your point of view, and that, in my oppinion, is a certain attachment. Especially in view that people who visit this forum are intelligent human beings and can think for themselves. There is no need to be "saving" them from anything.

No raw food healer would ever advocate to go off insulin without medical supervision. They would stress that it should be only done gradually and when warranted by a blood test. This is how Dr. Cousens' study was conducted. Only when medical testing indicated that the insulin was not needed in as big quantity as before was it lowered. Any other raw foodist would tell you the same thing. Its is pretty clear from the video that testing is needed all the time. So this was a very controlled and responsible way of doing the procedure.

At no time did this raw food discussion claimed "go off insulin, you don't need it", but it seems it is exactly that what you are fighting against.

Simply stated, if anyone would want to try raw food - do it for some time then go and test your blood levels. If high dosages of insulin or whatever other medication you are taking are no longer needed, the doctor would tell you so. This is a very responsible approach, and quite obvious to intelligent people who read this thread.

Consider some natural disaster situation, when a person no longer has access to synthetic insulin or other mediaction... And who knows what might be happening in the future the way mankind is going... It would indeed be quite better to try and see if one can get rid of any such dependencies. And a free choice of doing so should never be discouraged. Never underestimate a man's ability to heal himself! It was demonstrated time and again that this is possible, regardless what medical books claim.

I would like to end on this note - repeating it again - No other animal but man eats cooked food.

[melody]

melody the notion that astir is ATTATCHED to having diabetes is just silly!!!

Hello Mez,

Any psychology book would tell that a person internalizes his problems. This is why people go from one bad marrage to the next. They become attached to such a state as a "bad marriage", regardless of what they would claim otherwise.

Man has a tremendous ability to heal and regenerate his body when given optimal conditions for it and a positive healing attitude and healing spiritual practices. Adrian's book Our Ultimate Reality shows how to train one's psyche towards mental wholeness and healing.

[Astir]

What about the 11 year old boy who ate a raw vegan diet of hydroponically grown vegetables and still became diabetic??? I'd like your thoughts on that.

But the texts you quoted did use the word, "cure" and no diabetic would consider a raw vegan diet a cure if they still took insulin. And they would have to.

You seem to see two things wrong with me, one, that I am diabetic, and two, I am content with facing it.

[Mez]

tell me melody if a persons pancreas is dead, it has no stem cells to regenerate and its the only way the body can naturally make insulin how is a raw vegan diet going to make them produce insulin?

[Astir]

I do believe in certain miracles.

But frankly, this is how it is.

If you are missing a leg...
It is never growing back. Unfortunately it is the same with those darn islet cells...only worse, because not only will they not grow back on their own...if you ever did get them back (through transplant), your immune system kills them again anyway.

The immune system actually sort of stores information like a hardrive. It stores misinformation too. Which is why autoimmunity is not curable much less well understood at this point in time. It's a case someone will crack eventually, but reasons why will not be simple, and the solution won't be either...I have this funny feeling 

The key is not to just regrow islet cells and just temporarily cure diabetes, but to FIRST cure the immune system. Someone needs to find a way to reintroduce the islet cells to the immune system as native, and keep it that way. That would be the only way to reverse it. The source of the problem IS the immune system.

[Mez]

The mind controls the body, somewhere there must be a short circuit in the brain telling the brain to attack its own cells its that simple. Unfortanately the complex thing is finding out how to change that.

[Selski]

I'm just telling you not everyone needs to search so hard for happiness, not everyone needs to escape their problems. This is me facing it, which builds a whole lot more character than running away.

We just see things differently. Our focus is different. I see there is nothing wrong with me. You seem to see two things wrong with me, one, that I am diabetic, and two, I am content with facing it.

But realistically, that is healthy.

Hi Astir

Your words have been refreshing and helpful to me - thanks for saying them!  I feel a whole lot better already!

Sarah

[melody]

tell me melody if a persons pancreas is dead, it has no stem cells to regenerate and its the only way the body can naturally make insulin how is a raw vegan diet going to make them produce insulin?

Hello Mez,

We consist of many energy levels of existence. At some of those levels, the matrix of your body is still in a perfect shape, although the physical body, and even the etheric one, got distorted. This is why miracles happen sometimes, when that matrix that is perfection of your being asserts itself and regenerates your organs and your body which is nothing more than energy as well. But since we have a free will of believing and being what we choose, and since we have a highly conditioned mind of how we perceive reality, this higher body of our perfection does not assert itself against our believes and against the physical reality we assume for our body, and this also applies to the food we eat.

Dead food cannot make us more alive. Only living food can supply us with more living energy.

[melody]

What about the 11 year old boy who ate a raw vegan diet of hydroponically grown vegetables and still became diabetic??? I'd like your thoughts on that.

But the texts you quoted did use the word, "cure" and no diabetic would consider a raw vegan diet a cure if they still took insulin. And they would have to.

You seem to see two things wrong with me, one, that I am diabetic, and two, I am content with facing it.

Hello Astir,

Hydrophonic method of growing food is not a natural method. The raw vegan food has to come from earth. Water does not contain all the complex nutrients that soil does, and whatever nutrients they add to water during hydroponic process are not sufficient. Besides, they are all inorganic chemicals. I am not surprised that hydroponically produced food would make somebody sick.

I believe they used the word cure in the text referring to diabetes type-2. They did say that diabetes type-1 was ameliorated. Which in itself is a great achievement and quite praiseworthy, in my opinion. It is great that they are capable of greatly ameliorating an "incurable desease"!Would not everybody like to ameliorate their medical conditions?

You are quite mistaken. I do not consider there is anything wrong with you. I respect your free choice of your opinions and of your believes. The only thing I was stressing is that other people can make their own judgment regarding the material I presented. They also have a free choice as to their believes.

[Mez]

melody you still didnt really answer my question. I know exactly where you're coming from though, have you ever read "Hands Of Light: A Guide To Healing Through The Human Energy Field" by Barbara Brennan? Thats an awesome holistic healing book that has no nonsense in it its a wealth of information about the human energy field... It would be interesting to view the aura of someone with both types of diabetes because disease is always present in the human energy field (aura, subtle body, whatever) before it manifests in the physical.

Often people negate or downplay the importance of one or the other (physical vs spiritual) when talking about health and this I feel is a shame because they are BOTH important! The physical body is eventually where disease shows up but not without the help of its counterpart the human energy field! All disease is first present in the human energy field (aura, subtle body, soul, whatever) The energy body can be corrected which should in turn dissolve the disease as this is the level the disease is actually on but my question is... when the energy body has been corrected how can the physical body correct itself if it has no physical mechanism to do so?

[melody]

Mez,

I cannot tell you more on top what I have already said.

I don't know how it is done, but when an expert healer (not every healer can do it) removes an imperfection from the energy field, it leads to the regeneration in the physical body. An organ can regenerates and go back to normal functioning that it has previously lost. I heard of such healers removing tumors - I know somebody to whom it happened.