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« on: March 21, 2012, 23:58:03 »

Do some research starting at places like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GiveWell and calculate and prove to scientific peer reviewed standards, how much does it cost to save the cheapest Human life? That number of dollars we should call HUMANLIVES. It fluctuates like a stock price. It increases when more is given to efficient charities, since the cheapest Human lives to save are saved and the next cheapest Humans don't have such extreme problems. It decreases other times.

Translate all prices and payments and other money amounts into the unit of HUMANLIVES. Example: A commercial selling cars for only 3.2 HUMANLIVES, no HUMANLIVES down, subject to approved credit. Example: Double cheeseburger, .0003 HUMANLIVES. Would you like fries with that?

Maybe USA's Truth In Advertising Department would be the best legal path toward forcing businesses to use those words instead of Dollar, Euro, etc. Its more honest. Honesty is truth. Truth In Advertising. All prices should be in units of HUMANLIVES.


But things appear to be more valuable when they cost more, so I expect this will be ignored. World peace almost for free, just change a few words. Anyone interested?


Also, it would drive corporations to give trillions of dollars to charity since it would increase the number of Dollars that each unit of HUMANLIVES is worth, like a stock price. All prices are in units of HUMANLIVES, and people remember prices, so people will think things are cheaper than they really are when more lives are saved.
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 08:06:03 »

Hi Beavis,
Nice compassionate thoughts. If you can now work out how to eradicate greed then you will become the new messiah.
Ill vote for you, lol.
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 08:06:03 »

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2012, 11:39:36 »

I'm wondering how to corner the market in HUMANLIVES. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 10:45:22 »

Ident, to corner the market in HUMANLIVES, first round up all your slaves, convince them they're free except they're born into Slavery to (I mean under the authority of an unchangeable government which ignores our votes and commands us to pay) National Debt which is interest on Dollars created out of nothing, offer to trade them some of those Dollars (which were created out of nothing) for the things slaves normally do but in much more flexible business terms, create a credit rating system to judge how well they're obeying their master National Debt and punish them when they disobey, then wait for the free people to do your work and thank you for the privilege.

Szaxx, to all problems in how the world works I offer this solution:
"All governments, money, and commandments would be obsoleted if enough people chose to first do between their own thoughts then between people, Commit Radical Acts Of Honesty."

...which I explain here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_integral_philosophy/commit_radical_acts_of_honesty-t36775.0.html

Greed? If you Commit Radical Acts Of Honesty between the various parts of your mind which disagree with eachother until your mind becomes a unified continuous flow between all ideas (as my mind is) I expect you wouldn't be greedy except toward improving the universe overall.

More relevant to details of how the world works, I suggest using meme strategies to upgrade many Internet forums (like this one) to countries except they have no land.

How can this task which appears nearly impossible be accomplished? Wikipedia is already a representative democracy. They have elections for which few users have certain power and responsibility over others, while mostly its anonymous style editing of shared pages. Most authority appears to come from land, but until ideas have more power than land, we're all niggers. Use peer to peer (no central authority) open source cryptocurrencies (like Bitcoin), or variations of it in new simpler software (especially the idea of "proof of work" as described in Bitcoin's design doc), to count all votes and money/cryptocurrency amounts and to do math in general. This simple and very general idea results in many Internet forums, whose ideas and members often overlap, with the ability to organize people, have democracy in how the forum is run and how to change the nature of the forum, and allocate resources with cryptocurrency the same way the central bank cartel allocates Dollars to take our resources which is completely legal because (at least in USA) money is categorized as a type of free speech which makes perfect sense to me since its a number and math is my native language.

Gradually as people start using forums plus electronic democracy plus cryptocurrency as if they were countries, meme strategies are that people will act like all Internet forums have the authority of being their own country even without the land.

Voting isn't a big deal, its done all the time for who has the hottest breasts or to vote up or down on responses to forum posts, but whats missing is the trust of many people and that can only be earned by peer to peer open source secure software as how its built.

That's how we can gradually create voluntary global democracy and obsolete how the world works today. Its not forcing anyone since democracy is choices and they could choose to keep things the way they are if a majority of people agreed on that, or we could vote to fine-tune the balance between global and local choices.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 23:48:03 »

Hi,
For this to stand a chance of working all the third world countries need bringing up to date .and online. Then oil barons and multinational companies need stringent observation and monitoring as they will do their best to form a fifth coloumn in this system to corrupt or destroy its operation.
Its no easy task at this point in time. We'd all end up living in a death culture if they had totalitarianism. They are doing a good job at this now.
Here's to the future...
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 00:07:48 »

I am the first to point out that Money is used as a tool of oppression and exploitation, but I think world peace is outrageously more complicated than throwing money at charities; it has been demonsrtated time and again that charities in Africa have actually been used to establish dependable sources of food in certain locations, which are viewed as a resource with ownership rights extended over them as well. People are starving, so give them food, right?

Well, you also have to look into the reasons they are starving- it is not because there is not enough food for them in their country, it is because people have leveraged the tools of wealth around them to take their fair share away from them. The same people who put them into that situation to begin with will view the new source of food as something else to exploit- they will control who has access to it, and they will use it to feed armies to commit genocides.

Our problems as a species go far deeper than moving some cash from this side to that side. Human nature itself is naturally competitive for evolutionary reasons; this natural quality itself must be overcome. Ideally, a sort of collectivist economy is needed; it is anyone's guess how to do that though- large parts of the world were destroyed for a century by someone's best attempt at that, communism.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 00:30:39 »

 Unfortunately a lot of that money from the charities never quite gets to where it is needed most. It's a harsh reality!
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 01:47:30 »

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Gradually as people start using forums plus electronic democracy plus cryptocurrency as if they were countries, meme strategies are that people will act like all Internet forums have the authority of being their own country even without the land.

The problem with that is that the overwhelming amount of servers and internet resources are located in the US., and thus the US. government is able to exercise a sovereign control over the internet that no one else can approach; anyone doing anything the US. government finds to be distasteful can be shut down pretty quickly- in this way the authority of ideas is still quite attached to the authority over land.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 02:28:24 »

Hi,
For this to stand a chance of working all the third world countries need bringing up to date .and online. Then oil barons and multinational companies need stringent observation and monitoring as they will do their best to form a fifth coloumn in this system to corrupt or destroy its operation.
Its no easy task at this point in time. We'd all end up living in a death culture if they had totalitarianism. They are doing a good job at this now.
Here's to the future...

We need to get something started. If HUMANLIVES can be proven to peer reviewed scientific standards and kept up to date continuously, in 1 of the rich countries, then it would grow from there like a stock market and the value donators find there would drive them to expand into that work you said needs to be done before expansion.

I am the first to point out that Money is used as a tool of oppression and exploitation, but I think world peace is outrageously more complicated than throwing money at charities; it has been demonsrtated time and again that charities in Africa have actually been used to establish dependable sources of food in certain locations, which are viewed as a resource with ownership rights extended over them as well. People are starving, so give them food, right?

Well, you also have to look into the reasons they are starving- it is not because there is not enough food for them in their country, it is because people have leveraged the tools of wealth around them to take their fair share away from them. The same people who put them into that situation to begin with will view the new source of food as something else to exploit- they will control who has access to it, and they will use it to feed armies to commit genocides.

Our problems as a species go far deeper than moving some cash from this side to that side. Human nature itself is naturally competitive for evolutionary reasons; this natural quality itself must be overcome. Ideally, a sort of collectivist economy is needed; it is anyone's guess how to do that though- large parts of the world were destroyed for a century by someone's best attempt at that, communism.

Its not about the money.

Its about getting people to consciously think about their actions, at the time they're spending the money, are allowing people to die. After you've just ordered a double cheeseburger for .0003 HUMANLIVES and they ask "do you want fries with that?" you may start thinking about how big a piece of Human skin .0003 fraction of a Human is. Thats about 1/3000 of a Human body. Want to go for the fries at the cost of the next small piece of their body that dies or falls off or however you visualize it? How do those fries taste knowing they're connected to the draining of life  of another person? A little bloody? I hope you can tell the difference between blood and ketchup because brains imagine strange things when they're trying to not think about something they know is true. Maybe you'll have nightmares about those small parts of the person crawling on the ground after you like worms. Maybe they'll lose a tooth because you ordered something extra. That's just for a meal. What will the psychology of buying a car for 3.2 HUMANLIVES do to you as you're driving that car?

Lets make this very simple. Lets pretend for a moment the whole world already advertises all prices in units of HUMANLIVES. What is the chance you think world peace would come soon after that? I think its certain, unless we go extinct or something else not related. Lets say you only think its a 50% chance of world peace soon after that. If you could convince many others its a 50% chance, they would continue spreading the word and we would do it. Is world peace high enough on your priorities to spend a few minutes per day spreading the word and giving them a link to the debate here? How much is world peace worth to you?

The problem with that is that the overwhelming amount of servers and internet resources are located in the US., and thus the US. government is able to exercise a sovereign control over the internet that no one else can approach; anyone doing anything the US. government finds to be distasteful can be shut down pretty quickly- in this way the authority of ideas is still quite attached to the authority over land.

They can't ban what they can't imagine. Its a very subtle change, not the kind of thing governments care about. They keep using their money and for reasons they don't understand, despite us trying to explain it to the whole world, our communications and democracy and whatever math calculations we do to organize all this as global patterns between many forums, become more efficient ways to organize people and resources than how governments and businesses do things so their money gets devalued to zero by the free market or a regulated market which is even weaker. If they regulate or try to shut down something, the collective will adapt by redesigning existing processes to not use that component or not use it as much or use it different ways. That's the normal way businesses get out of paying tax. Its a proven method and completely legal. But hopefully they'll leave the forum-democracy-economies alone. It does increase global productivity and intelligence and has many other good effects on the world. We may even be able to get them classified as charities.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 02:52:55 »

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Its not about the money.

Its about getting people to consciously think about their actions, at the time they're spending the money, are allowing people to die. After you've just ordered a double cheeseburger for .0003 HUMANLIVES and they ask "do you want fries with that?"


If they are allowing people to die as a result of what they do with their money, it follows that it must at least partially be about the money. The argument I am making is that defining currency in lives at least strongly suggests they translate into on another and corelate. This is somewhat true, but not entirely, and in a way that is quite central to the issue.

To say that my money is defined in lives is like saying my money is defined by a gold standard- if my money is defined by gold, I can exchange it for gold. If my money is defined in lives, then I should be able to exchange it for the equivalent amount of lives. The fact that this is not completely true is illustative of the fact that the sufferings of the world are multi-faceted and cannot be addressed in so simple a fashion. The price of helping human beings is not any sum of money, it is rather fundamental choices, like whether to continue to allow powerful groups to exploit others, and how we structure our governments to secure protection for basic human rights.
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 03:41:59 »

Unfortunately a lot of that money from the charities never quite gets to where it is needed most. It's a harsh reality!

Why do you think that is?

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