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« on: March 25, 2012, 10:13:13 »

Here's something I wrote which started as "War exists because law and war are synonyms" but then I saw the patterns between many things and ended up figuring out something very simple that all these ideas are converging toward. Its the last sentence below.

It was by committing radical acts of honesty repeatedly and digging deep into how many people and the world works even when they insulted me for it, that I got to this state of mind and the choices in how to proceed into possibilities most people can't yet imagine. You can't choose what you can't imagine or if half your mind doesn't believe the other half. Society is built on deep layers of deception and ways to separate people. Society will choose to be honest or I will choose to leave and find something more interesting, which I do not mean as an insult, just things which don't fit together.

I also wrote this at:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/war-exists-because-law-and-war-are-synonyms
http://spacecollective.org/BenRayfield/7421/War-exists-because-Law-and-War-are-synonyms

Lets test the theory that laws have a significant effect on the world. When was the last time you read a law, saw anyone reading a law, know the name of anyone who has read a law and just to make sure you're not being delusional here you have to say which law it was, or have seen any evidence of the existence of any specific word in any specific law? Can you even remember the text of 10 different laws? Do you know where you can go to look up laws? There are websites for many of them, but have you ever been there? Has any politician ever read the words of a law in a public broadcast which you watched? It takes a delusional mind to think x is how the world works while not seeing any evidence of x except that others agree x exists but even they can't answer when asked for details.

Laws don't have much effect on the world compared to game-theory, and governments know this, so instead of being satisfied with "drugs are illegal and we'll arrest you if you have drugs", they have the "war on drugs". Instead of enforcing intellectual property laws, they have the "war on piracy". They have replaced "constitutional amendment" and "law" with "war". To make a law against x, they broadcast "war on x" until its burned into most peoples' minds.

There is a very simple reason we can't have world peace: Law and War mean the same thing therefore to end War is to act against the Law. That's not just insane. Its profoundly insane, to think Law and War are synonyms.

Anarchists have no Laws therefore anarchists have no Wars. Law and War are synonyms. War On Drugs. War On Piracy.

We can't have world peace by creating or obeying Laws because Laws are Wars. They're the same word. We can only have world peace by strategicly changing words. Here's how we can do it:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_integral_philosophy/a_trivial_change_in_language_that_would_certainly_cause_world_peace-t36727.0.html

War should be illegal. Actually, since words have more power than anything else, maybe if enough of us say it... Lets have a War On War, which means to have less wars like the War On Drugs means to have less drugs.

Many religions associate God with the highest Authority. Most people associate Government with Authority. Government makes Law against X by declaring War On X.

Therefore in those minds, Authority is anything which declares War/Law, therefore God declares War. Kill in the name of God. Makes perfect sense where their insanity comes from.

As an example of how language works, I'll translate the Ten Commandments to modern language (and my thoughts about them in parenthesis):

* War on having other Authority before me (What about equal to instead of greater than?)
* War on using your inflexible minds to try to imagine my form since you would get it wrong ( Metaphysics is hard to imagine but accuracy comes with practice, and this appears very similar to "Don't draw Mohammed" as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day )
* War on badmouthing Authority (Meme strategy)
* Sunday is for Authority (Is scheduling really this important? Just joking. It appears that what this is really about can be seen in the effects of global meditation events being more powerful when more people across the Earth do it at the same time, which the Global Consciousness Project demonstrated has a scientifically measurable effect on quantum random number generators. Or maybe it was just practical scheduling?)
* Honor your parents (Sounds like another Authority to me)
* War on War (Some things just don't translate to delusional minds which modern language formed around)
* War on sleeping around (Sex only when 2 Authorities are joined)
* War on stealing (you act as an Authority over the thing you take)
* War on lieing (I would have said it as Commit Radical Acts Of Honesty, but then people probably wouldn't have accepted it)
* War on desire (Sounds alot like Buddhism to me, and I'd merge this with War On War since war is "dont" and desire is "do", so Buddhism is the balance between them)

To whoever wrote those, here is my response (also whats in parenthesis above): No thanks, I don't think War improves the world so I'm not going to do that, except for War On War which means to have less war, and as I tend to think like Zen Buddhism I would also do War On Desire if I had enough desire toward that (or War On War) which I don't.

I therefore ask all people who believe in "thou shalt not kill" to use the translation to modern language which is "War On War" which means to have less war, including all things governments declare war on like War On Drugs and War On Piracy.

"Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler." --Einstein

Ok, I'll give it a try. All governments, money, and commandments would be obsoleted if enough people chose to first do between their own thoughts then between people, Commit Radical Acts Of Honesty.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 11:14:54 »

War is simply the battle between the two sides of a duality.

It is inevitable and timeless beyond story itself.

Dualities construct rigid uniformity through language.

A language must adopt these rigid constraints to become complex and give data meaning.

These necessary complexities can be looked at as laws.

These necessary complexities turn simple form like structures into function structures, for example, squiggles become letters.

Form and Function.

On the other side of the duality, it reverses to attain the next level of complexity. To continue the example, letters, through sequencing, become words.

In essence, these dualities exist 'to fight' and by doing so, perpetuate an entity/technology/belief structure forward. This example was of cultures waring against each other.

War isn't bad.
As long as the aim is progress
Not victory.

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 11:37:09 »

Memes are the most powerful thing. Learn meme strategies or continue being a slave to a master you're too confused to imagine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

"Rape" used to mean forcing sex on someone. Now it also includes sex with people under some age limit like 16 even if everyone involved chooses sex. The word "choose" was a problem because a 16 year old person can choose, so they called it "consent" instead, which now has a very specific legal definition. Only older people can consent to sex, but anyone can choose sex. Statutory Rape is sex without consent, and people go to jail for sex between people who wanted it.

That general pattern has been repeated in more ways than most people can imagine in the subtle ways the world has globally adapted to various forces we put on it by the ways we think and what we allow governments and other organizations to do.

Similarly, the definition of "war" governments are using as a replacement for "law" and "constitutional amendment", has nothing to do with violence.

War On X is the same as Thou Shalt Not Do X. People only have enough room in their active minds for a few rules, and the libraries of legal words are mostly ignored by politicians, police, and everyone else. The only purpose of continuing to create laws faster than they can be read is to spread the meme that government has authority to make laws and summarize them to us which means they can command us to do anything they want with no justification and we can't verify its a valid command or not since the mountains of legal words are so disorganized and contradictory that we are de-facto forced to use only a few small statements as the law. That's why the Ten Commandments worked. They're small and easy to understand.

There is a mental association between "war" and "violence", and that is very useful to those who make laws in the form of War On X, but in that context war has nothing to do with violence.

If violence happens, its a side-effect of government doing whatever they want since laws don't exist anymore except a few in the form of War On X and various technical statements in how government departments and licensing operates.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 21:27:45 »

Continuing the first post and that thread linked from it, the following is a work in progress, part of my Theory Of Everything. Is it too hard to understand? I know most of the math parts are. The total of everything is such a hard subject. "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." --Einstein. I'm trying...


War on X means to have less X, like War On Piracy means to have less piracy and War On Drugs means to have less drugs.

Love On X means to have more X and to flow more as 1 system and resonate and be in sync with X.

In a real democracy you could vote both ways, Love on piracy and War on drugs. Democracy today only lets you choose which parts of whats already there to Love with your vote. War on the status quo is illegal, but War isn't always violence. War means to have less of something.

War on War leads to War, the opposite of what its trying to do.

War on Love leads to War, exactly what its trying to do.

Love on War leads to War, exactly what its trying to do.

Love on Love leads to War because Love is "to flow more as 1 system" and War was excluded.

Simultaneously Love on both Love and War, leads to Love which can be used to repeat the process. This is the only stable solution but can only be done if already balanced.

Love on Love more than Love on War, is only a little unstable and solves the kind of problems we have here on Earth which are already unbalanced.

My native language is math, so you may not understand this deepest manifold-truth (manifold is a math word) of the universe from which all other things are defined independent of space, time, consciousness, or other patterns of reality:
* Nonexistence is isomorphic to the set of all self-consistent possibilities. This is all you need to understand everything. Whats written below is derived from it.
* This modifies set-theory so the complement of a set is that same set.
* True (existence) and false (nonexistence) are 2 sides of the same klein bottle (mobius multiplied by circle), but a klein bottle has only 1 side.
* Mobius and Klein Bottle are only 2 examples of closed nonorientable manifolds.
* Universe is simultaneously everything and nothing, infinitely balanced, totals zero, and each part individually exists (consciousness, War, separation, reality) while together they cancel-out to nonexistence (zen, Love, timeless unity, having no mind to think).
* Since the universe overall does not exist, it takes no force to change it,
but changing any individual part exists so its difficult. Use unity with low power machines.
* It is infinitely more probable to exist than to be unity for the same reason randomly moving particles in a box tend to spread out evenly instead of all move into the same corner at the same time (physics people call this "statistical mechanics"), but all permutations of unity are still unity, just viewed in a confusing way. Empirical research alone will never find this needle in a haystack of infinite size. Add logical philosophy and no blind faith, to make use of this in machines.
* There is no location adjacent to a black hole. If you were near a black hole you would be in the future due to gravitational time dilation, but since you are not in the future, that location does not exist. Black holes are at the end of time (that's why they call it the Event Horizon), but we feel their effects in the present as gravity waves, therefore gravity moves backWard in time. All particles can be modeled as superpositioned black holes, which is already known to science but not used yet. Particles and black holes (which are different sizes and superpositions of the same thing) overlap in many patterns including infinite dimensional fractals.
* Wavefunction collapse equals gravity equals negative entropy (order, patterns falling together) equals negative time. Superposition equals time equals entropy (chaos, patterns moving apart) equals negative gravity. Gravity is antitime. Mind over matter involves recursive oscillations between these things, as in this video "psi wheel in a clear closed box 2" I recorded in 2003: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJGb4RNRB4 Research Warp drive or more advanced a fixed location multiverse engine in the style of Global Consciousness Project's quantum random number generators but organized through intelligent statistical softWare and timeless game-theory to push and pull oscillations into unimaginable but statistically influencable patterns. At low torque (force on unity like gear ratios) its a Warp drive. At high torque its a communication device. Start the experiments with open source (later version of, you build the rest) Audivolv as user interface to statistically induce global telepathy network between users of the statistical softWare whose minds are connected by feedback loops of the psychology of mouse movements and realtime generated audio adapting to flow statistics of our thoughts (but not understanding them) through the Internet, then the global telepathy network stays up on its own without the music game which bootstrapped it.
* These statements about practical physics only make sense if String-theory/M-Theory generalizes to infinite dimensions and the set of all self-consistent patterns.
* Starting from no statement at all, existence and nonexistence are both nonsequiter.
* The word "exist" is a contradiction and I answer no questions containing it.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2012, 21:22:10 »

Here's something I wrote which started as "War exists because law and war are synonyms"

They are NOT synonyms. Not even close.

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Laws don't have much effect on the world compared to game-theory,

Yes they do. That is like saying a ladder does not have much effect on making it easier to climb up something. Laws are built upon agreements and cooperation. When done honestly and kept to a minimum they can be a terrific way to improve society.

 
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There is a very simple reason we can't have world peace: Law and War mean the same thing therefore to end War is to act against the Law. That's not just insane. Its profoundly insane, to think Law and War are synonyms.

Yes it is insane. Law and War are not even close to the same thing. In fact, they are almost opposites.

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Anarchists have no Laws therefore anarchists have no Wars. Law and War are synonyms. War On Drugs. War On Piracy.

There are no real Anarchist societies that survive long enough to realistically make such a claim. In the short term, when Anarchy does temporarily arise... violent crime is common.

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We can't have world peace by creating or obeying Laws because Laws are Wars. They're the same word. We can only have world peace by strategicly changing words.


 cheesy "Strategically changing words" is just another way of saying we can only have world peace by LYING.

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Many religions associate God with the highest Authority. Most people associate Government with Authority.

True.

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Government makes Law against X by declaring War On X.

False.

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As an example of how language works, I'll translate the Ten Commandments to modern language (and my thoughts about them in parenthesis):

Translation? I don't think so - that was Complete nonsense .

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I would also do War On Desire

Typical. The act of a petty tyrant.

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I therefore ask all people who believe in "thou shalt not kill" to use the translation to modern language...

Typical dishonest semantic tricks. The actual accurate translation is "Thou shalt not Murder"
There is a big difference.
The lawful execution of a Serial Killer is "Lawful killing" and it is NOT murder. Only those with deception in their hearts can not or will not see the obvious difference.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 03:09:30 »

I was explaining how lots of things fit together. Some of them had to bend to fit the puzzle together. If all mysteries in the world do not fit together perfectly, the amount they don't fit together could be called insanity in those who think it actually does fit together before assembling the pieces. The definition of "war" and many other words has changed. Translations are more accurate than the original even if they're not perfect. For example, "adultery" when those were written also included between people who weren't married. I'm not telling anyone to obey any of that. I said "no thanks" to it myself, but we should try to understand things.

I'm talking about memes, ideas that flow through society.

When I say "war", I mean it in the way government means "war on piracy". They're not using violence against music downloaders. They're broadcasting to everyone that they are serious about enforcing intellectual property laws, reducing piracy.

I'm not an anarchist. The kind of democracy I think would work best is most similar to how Wikipedia converges toward the median of our ideas and using cryptocurrency to count votes and money and other kinds of secure math, with no need for a corruptable central authority. Decentralized is not the same as anarchy. Anarchists want there to be no order in the world, for individuals to do whatever they want regardless of how it affects others.

When I talk about strategicly changing the definitions of words, its about changing the world using memes instead of money.

I see the world moving quickly toward Viral Government, which is similar to a "viral youtube video" or "viral license" and is not related to bio or computer viruses.

Viral Government: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/viral_government_what_richard_stallman_did_for_open_source_we_can_do_for_gov-t36805.0.html

"war on desire" is another way to explain part of buddhism, which says desire is the cause of suffering and you will stop suffering when you stop desiring. I'm a "petty tyrant" for being a buddhist? When you get more into buddhism, you can solve the paradox of desiring not to desire.

"Thou shalt not kill" is most accurately translated to modern language as "war on war" because "war on" means to have less of something, and the target of "war" is the more general form which includes murder. Many people have been murdered in the War On Drugs, Permanent War Economy, and War On Iraq, for example. Its not necessary for anyone to die for something to be a "war", but it tends to cause murders. I am not taking it out of context to say that whoever wrote "thou shalt not kill" meant for there to be less murder. "Thou" means everyone, not just the reader. It means governments shalt not murder too. "War On War" says all of that in modern language, but its confusing how "war" in modern language has a few different definitions. The definition of "Murder" and "kill" have also changed. Back then, there were no complex global organizations which result in many deaths as the result of nobody knowing how the world works and just letting it proceed toward its own destruction. Paying an assassin is close enough to yourself doing the killing. Similarly, if you vote for someone who says he is going to kill people for whatever reason ("war on drugs" for example) you are violating "thou shalt not kill" in a context that didn't exist when it was written. I stand by my translation of "thou shalt not kill" to "war on war" in modern language, similar to "war on piracy" and "war on drugs". Even though I don't take those things as authority, still lets have less war.

I replaced the word "God" with "Authority" in some of those translated commandments. Here's why: If you must have no gods before god, that means there are other gods. If Christianity is not polytheistic, that means the other gods must mean something else, taking commands from somewhere else with a higher priority than from God. If Christianity is polytheistic, as is implied by we are "in God's image" and by the 3 gods (or views of god) called father, son, and holy ghost, then we are all potential gods (as in gnostic Christianity which says ignorance is the problem, not who you are preventing you from becoming more, at least that's what I've heard about it) and can still satisfy the constraint of "no gods before me" by being equal to god after we get past this bull we keep doing on this planet and keeping eachother down. In a peer to peer network, no computer has Authority over others. No country has Authority over other countries. No sovereign person has Authority over another. No god has Authority over another. But we're all Authorities.

Accept my translations and explanations of how the many pieces of the puzzle, pieces spread across history, in science, in logical philosophy, and the universe overal... Accept what I've said or not. You're all just as much Authority as I am.

But don't accuse me of lieing. I meant what I said, however close to the truth it actually is we'll see over time.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 04:11:57 »

I'm a "petty tyrant" for being a buddhist? When you get more into buddhism, you can solve the paradox of desiring not to desire.

No. No one is a petty tyrant for being a Buddhist. I did not say that. Why did you so dishonestly twist my words that way? How dishonest can you get? I was replying to the the petty tyrant who would broadcast a desire to make war on another's free will to explore "Desire".


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I stand by my translation of "thou shalt not kill" to "war on war" in modern language, similar to "war on piracy" and "war on drugs". Even though I don't take those things as authority, still lets have less war.

Then you stand by baloney.

If you want less war try lying less.

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 04:52:48 »

If friends are talking about where to eat and one proposes Mcdonalds which most others think is too greasy, in my style of writing, they would respond "War on Mcdonalds, that's way too greasy" or "Love on Mcdonalds, lets do it". Love and War are like Yes and No or More and Less or Positive and Negative.

We have the right to democracy, but most of the power in government is in broadcasting "war on drugs", "war on piracy", and other distortions of how language used to be but now I call "modern language" since people accepted it into how their minds are stuctured. If you don't want there to be a War On Iraq, you would say to many people Love On Iraq. If you want to end intellectual property laws, you would say Love On Piracy. If you want to go get drunk, you would say Love on that bar down the street, then wait if your friends say Love on that, which means they agree with you. One of your friends may say War on that, but would probably change his mind after everyone starts Love on that bar down the street.

The world is a tangled mess. I just untangled it and explained how to use the result which was already there but hidden in how the patterns of our thoughts fit together.

Love on democracy. Just a little war on "the petty tyrant who would broadcast a desire to make war on another's free will to explore "Desire"". I don't desire much to avoid desiring. Zen Buddhism is about a centered state of mind which allows you to flow your thoughts with metaphysics because of the more divergent chaos-theory of brainwave patterns a balanced mind has. Love on a balanced state of mind. War on a balanced state of mind. Just a little war on your confusion. Love on your trying to understand what I was saying.

If people start talking this way, instead of just taking these kind of statements from authority who talks this way (without the love, just the war), we will balance the excess of war. We'll have 2 ways to go on everything, war and love, which is simply a dimension of communication and not any kind of ethical statement.

Love and War are like operators in a math language. You could build a fractal with combinations of them, like any other equation. But it has applications in physics too, if you read the "my native language is math" paragraph above.
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 08:02:02 »

There is no spoon. Love on all possible spoons. War on all possible spoons. I found the solution to most of our current problems. There's nothing more I need to do on Earth except teach people how to use 2 words, a math system built on top of "nonexistence is isomorphic to the set of all self-consistent possibilities". "War" you already know how to use, a little. "Love" is a word most people fear to use, but it should be used equally often as "war" like a wave, vibrations, string-theory, warp drive, multiverse travel, and things we can't imagine yet. I understand this solution but it is only to such a small problem, the unbalanced way we tend toward wars but not love, that I am almost identically ignorant as everyone else on the planet. A "technology singularity", as many people are expecting, is an unbalance between Humans and Machines and global politics. How primitive. You can each do much better than that if you learn to speak these 2 words and communicate from there...
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/war_on_words_love_on_ideas-t36807.0.html
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2012, 14:57:53 »

Human intention and emotional response are far more complex than a simple positive or negative reaction- reducing all positive and negative expressions to two words  (love;war) is not going to solve humanity's problems. Language is powerful and complex, because it needs to be to express the complexities of human thought and interaction; to suggest that we should ignore all those complexties and think of everything as basic and binary is to totally ignore the human side of things entirely.

What if a fundamentalist sort, and a scientific-reductionist sort were to have a discussion, and agree that they would wage a war on falsehood? Would they truly be in agreement, for instance?

You have spoken about Kurzweil's predictions of a machine/ai war; to reduce language to binary functions is quite machine-like, actually.
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2012, 16:25:27 »

I'm not an anarchist. The kind of democracy I think would work best is most similar to how Wikipedia converges

Democracy is a known failed political system. The USA is NOT a Democracy as the Leftist Liberal Liars keep repeating in order to indoctrinate the masses. The USA is a Republic.

Democracy devolves into tyranny of the masses which is why the Founding Fathers rejected it.

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"Thou shalt not kill" is most accurately translated to modern language as "war on war" because "war on" means to have less of something, and the target of "war" is the more general form which includes murder.

False. The commandment is correctly translated as Thou Shalt Not MURDER.

The Jewish sages note that the word “ratsakh” applies only to illegal killing (e.g., premeditated murder or manslaughter) — and is never used in the administration of justice or for killing in war. Hence the KJV translation as “thou shalt not kill” is too broad.

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I replaced the word "God" with "Authority" in some of those translated commandments. Here's why: If you must have If Christianity is polytheistic, as is implied by we are "in God's image" and by the 3 gods (or views of god) called father, son, and holy ghost, then we are all potential gods ...

This is total nonsense that proceeds from hopelessly broken logic.

I am a man, a father and an engineer. That doesn't make me three people. Those are three aspects of one person.

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No country has Authority over other countries. No sovereign person has Authority over another. No god has Authority over another. But we're all Authorities.

Maybe. But some are definitely subordinate to others.
All societies have their "top dog" or "alpha male" types. It is part of the natural order. A "pecking order" of sorts. Deep Denial does not change that simple reality.

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But don't accuse me of lieing. I meant what I said, however close to the truth it actually is we'll see over time.

If you insist on playing dishonest word games despite new information clarifying word definitions, your statements and claims remain tantamount to a Lie.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2012, 20:48:58 »

i think you can reduce every idea or feeling down to a simple positive or negative
i think the universe is binary

lightwaves soundwaves emotions sex consciousness are all waveforms with positive and negative peeks and dips

if you cant even see its binary aspect how do you hope to understand what you call more complex?

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 21:10:15 »

I have not seen it proven though that all known phenomena are binary, this is only an inductive leap from a few observations; consciousness especially does not seem to easily be reducable to binaries- much of what we do is neither good nor bad, it simply is. Position and distance in space are not known to be binary either, they very much appears to be anologue at this time.

Even if it were possible to convert every phenomenon or measurement to binary terms, only using the binary expressions would tend to ignore "emergent" behaviors. It is true that we can deduce the behavior of an ocean from the physics of water molecules and gravity, electromagnetism, etc, but emergent behavior gets harder and harder to predict the more complex the systems become, and when you are talking about systems as complex as social structures built out of individual human interactions, you are so far from the basic levels that using binary language will offer nearly no insight into predicting behavior at that level to anything but a vastly powerful supercomputer.
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