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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2008, 21:31:15 »

"Thinking deep is easy for me, yet thinking clearly is not. "
haha i totally get that.
erm yes, a spirited debate where both sides are emphasising their point, my favourite kind of discussion =).

"a different state of being entirely where thinking is not at all necessary (a state I've felt only for as long as I completely cleared my mind of all thoughtforms and accepted only the here and the now as reality)."
i know of this state, though i believed it was an incomplete state, only complete once enlightenment is attained. It's a special feeling, hopefully i can experience it totally one day =)
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« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2008, 02:40:23 »

Some would call this state enlightenment itself, although I think of all enlightenment as a process. I believe that this state is simply having self awareness, body awareness, and environment awareness all at once permenantly. So it's really about being here, now, the way I see it.
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« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2008, 16:49:31 »

there technially isnt good and evil but evil and netural.
there are people who do evil then be who do both.

but on another suject.
if the world was perfect it would be boring
and if it was evil we would destroy ourselves.
there is no perfect balance but both need to exist
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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2008, 20:30:29 »

little more good in the world wouldn't hurt...and it sure wouldn't bore me
a small example...knife crime in my area is the highest in the country or something close to that...and even though i'm not getting stabbed, if i'm ever about the town with my friends we face confrontation.

i would much rather go about the town with nothing going on rather then my life being threatened haha.
just because something is not bad does not mean it is boring, i rather enjoy peace, and i find fun without someone getting hurt much more satisfying.

it is true both are needed for us to exist...but this has nothing to do with if there was only evil we would destroy ourselves and if there was only good we would get bored...it is because if life was perfect it would be too easy, and we would not face the appropriate challenges we need to grow and learn about our selves. life would be great constantly, and we would not learn anything from it, life would be in a repetitive and motionless loop. And if it was all evil, we would not be able to grow from our experiences because we theres is so much bad going on it would be overwhelming and we would not be allowed to break free as there would be nothing to break free to.

these days evil and such seem to have the upperhand though...progress is difficult for me, and i take any good i can and indulge in it, bonding me to this material plane through desperation because that good is so rare to find i cling to it. not much of a balance goin on rele...sort tht out...
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« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2008, 03:47:34 »

If evil is necessary, then why do we struggle against it?
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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2008, 00:12:49 »

because it is necessary for us to do so.
and more importantly because we choose to! Choice is a huge factor

come on now ur losing your touch =P that was almost too easy XD.
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« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2008, 06:20:24 »

But why is evil necessary? What is the good that are we preserving from destruction by evil and for what purpose do we preserve it? Is it that innocence is the good, something that will be lost in time eventually, or is it that innocence reminds us of something else? What is the end that good aims towards? Is it perfection, or something else?

If good is something other than unconditional love, then why is it that good is vulnerable to evil? Is it because we have a choice to choose it or not, or because goodness itself is weak?
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The answer to all paradoxes shows this: "Reality contains logic therefore logic cannot contain reality."
The paradox here is "how can one know this is true?".

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« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2008, 22:27:30 »

evil is necessary because without it we wouldn't be able to grow stronger and progress would stop.

"What is the good that we are preserving from destruction by evil and for what purpose do we preserve it?"

There are many questions like these. The answers would bring you a lot closer to the truth. The good is the resulting force created from a certain purpose, choice and perception of the self. We preserve it because only this force can move us in the direction we have to go. If we gave into evil we would be trapped as we are and even break down into lower forms of being.
The end that good aims towards is unknown, but we know in ourselves that there is something to move towards...and until we get there, we won't know what to do next. Is there even an end we are moving towards, or just something that is constantly growing or is unreachable?

good is as vulnerable to evil as evil is vulnerable to good. on a physical level people can be influenced by either very easily due to the choices they make.
good is not weak!
putting it in terms of light and dark:
no matter how much darkness surrounds the soul as long as there is a spec of light then the darkness can not win. Light and dark are both very powerful forces but work in different ways. Light may seem weak when compared to darkness, but that is just because it's power works in a different way to darkness.

sorry to put it like that, some people get all roudy when i use good and evil as light and dark...but u get my point.


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« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2008, 01:58:38 »

Good answer. I consider good to be a new beginning, not an end in and of itself. If good is, as you say, "the resulting force created from a certain purpose, choice, and perception of the self" then what would be the  resulting force of a consciousness in a state of unconditional love? Unconditional love is not a thought, it is a lack of need for thoughts - something unimaginable, yet something possible for every human being to achieve. What you also say is very close to what I deduced, in that "good is as vulnerable to evil as evil is vulnerable to good" because of the fact that unconditional love can spread from consciousness to consciousness.

I think that we could grow much stronger and progress much farther actually if we had a base of unconditional love to build from (and towards greater expression of).
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The answer to all paradoxes shows this: "Reality contains logic therefore logic cannot contain reality."
The paradox here is "how can one know this is true?".

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« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2008, 19:53:43 »

unconditional love is a choice, a perception of self and can be used to define a purpose, the resulting force is one of purity, truth and the ability to make a lot of things possible =). A force to be reckoned with to be sure =).
Any kind of love is not a thought, it is an emotion. Love is the closest emotion you can physically feel to what you are calling unconditional love, a very good label for that particular state if i do say so myself.

Very well said for the most part, i couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2009, 19:37:26 »

Poor Bush.... always being compared to such evil.  That doesn't sound like practicing love.  In your opinion, Bush causes pain..so why bash and not love?

It's obvious to me you still have strong feelings for the former president. Smiley
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2009, 15:32:43 »

There is no "good".
There is no "evil".
There is only a whole.
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