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« on: January 22, 2006, 12:44:26 »

Hello!

When I've got in, I've realize this can be my most appropriate forum in this web.

I will introduce myself:
I'm 25, I've been having astral experiences all my life. I've read a lot of books about the subject. I have every night good sensations to abandon my body.
There's only one trouble: FEAR!
Every projective technique is unnecessary, fear always appears.

I'm trying to transcend my fear.
I've taken some attitudes like: look for fear's causes and stare at them while I study myself. But it doesn't work by now.

I've surfed in this web, and I see fear is the greatest problem for everybody, but I haven't seen other solution than look it to the eyes and achieve experience.
What about if fear doesn't let you get experiences?

I know there are no easy solutions, but maybe we could work together on this matter and help each other, and maybe, to develop some good technique to destroy fear. Does anybody know about some technique?

This is my everyday case:
I'm in bed, filling surrounded whistles, my astral fingers bending up, my energy body swelling.
I see this, I feel fear and I see myself feeling fear.
I know there is no danger, etc., but fear is not rational.

I'm trying now, not thinking in the future.
It seems it's getting better!
It's not easy, it's not difficult, I think it's possible.
I just say myself that future is unpredictable.
Do you know another way?
To realize I'm thinking about future is the most easy subject. To solve that is more difficult.

I'm not looking for easy solutions, I'm looking for co-workers!

Un abrazo.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2006, 13:59:59 »

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I know there is no danger, etc., but fear is not rational.

Fear is not rational? You don't just get scared for no reason. It's probably just fear of the unknown - try to read as many accounts of OBEs as possible. Try to understand a bit better what happens when you're out.

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I've taken some attitudes like: look for fear's causes and stare at them while I study myself. But it doesn't work by now.

I'm sorry but that just sounds silly to me. It's not going to get rid of your fear as much as staring at the headlights of a car stops it coming. Figure out precisely what it is you're fearing and just read about it on the Internet.

Good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2006, 16:45:38 »

One method to get rid of fear is to face it smiley
But that requires guts, and might be unpleasant, and not always effects will be positive :confused:
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2006, 18:34:38 »

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You don't just get scared for no reason. It's probably just fear of the unknown

You're right.

 
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try to read as many accounts of OBEs as possible. Try to understand a bit better what happens when you're out.


Thank you.
I'll go on doing that. I've read a lot of them.
Don't you think there must be an attitude, a mental work, to face the unknown, whatever this is, unfeared and without knowing other experiences?
I think so, and I'd like to reach it.

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One method to get rid of fear is to face it  


I think that's right, and maybe the solution, but how can you face the unknown? Maybe we'll have to face ourselves first?




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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2006, 19:06:13 »

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I think that's right, and maybe the solution, but how can you face the unknown? Maybe we'll have to face ourselves first?

When you're facing your fear you are facing yourself. Your fear is part of you, it's your creation, it's your reaction to something.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 14:53:02 »

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When you're facing your fear you are facing yourself. Your fear is part of you, it's your creation, it's your reaction to something.


its not only in this direction. fear is an emotion. which means you experience it. you are not your emotions. you simply have them which also implies that they don't nessecerally have to be yours. because they aren't you.
right know there's alot of fear in the collective consciousness of our species.
and you can easily imaging that the majority of people would be scared to death if they got to experience to much of the unknown. which alot of them don't even consider to be possible.
i think we've come at a time where alot of these emotions and thoughts we pick up are meant to be noticed and transformed for the benefit of all.

and in that context i wish you all the best to overcome this fear and help to make it easier for the rest to finally get rid of this needless emotion trapped in our collective minds for who knows how many hundreds or thousands of years now.

it's like finally freeing ourself from the karma we kept holding in stance carnation after carnation.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2006, 09:42:47 »

Hello!

Kinay, I think what you're saying is not contrary to Jacob's. He is right, fear is an integral part of ourselves, of every individual feared person.
I think you are not your emotions, your emotions are a part of you.
Accepting this can be a way to the solution.


I understand from your words that fear can be aroused by external circumstances, and it is contagious.
I'm agree with you. It can be induced by others, but I think it affects you only if you have some previous inclination to it.

I keep experimenting.

Thanks.
Saludos.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2006, 10:02:41 »

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I think you are not your emotions, your emotions are a part of you.

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2006, 12:13:47 »

hey thanks cardio

i didn't mean to say the contrary. i just tried to reach out another aspect of it.
ofcourse it can and often will come from inside.
but that makes it sound like everyone is alone in this.
and maybe i wanted to point out that that is not the case.

cheers
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2006, 10:20:29 »

Hello!

I'm working on an hypothesis to be criticized:

(Forgetting causes)
Fear is a reaction done by ourselves, maybe unconsciously.
If we understood that reaction we could neutralize it.
The key to achieve this could be the comprehension of the energetic actions involve in it. If we know what we do energetically we could stop it. Through energy knowledge we could handle our unconscious actions.

Do you think this could be possible?

I keep up.
See you!.
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2006, 10:51:25 »

CONTROLLING THE EMOTIONS.
The undesirable emotions, such as Fear, Worry, Anxiety, Hate, Anger, jealousy,
Envy, Melancholy, Excitement, Grief, etc., are amenable to the control of the
Will, and the Will is enabled to operate more easily in such cases if rhythmic
breathing is practiced while the student is "willing."

The following exercise has been found most effective by the Yogi students,
although the advanced Yogi has but little need of it, as he has long since gotten
rid of these undesirable mental qualities by growing spiritually beyond them.
The Yogi student, however, finds the exercise a great help to him while he is
growing.
Breathe rhythmically, concentrating the attention upon the Solar Plexus, and
sending to it the mental command "Get Out." Send the mental command firmly,
just as you begin to exhale, and form the mental picture of the undesirable
emotions being carried away with the exhaled breath. Repeat seven times, and
finish with the Cleansing Breath, and then see how good you feel. The mental
command must be given "in earnest," as trifling will not do the work.

THE HINDU-YOGI
SCIENCE OF BREATH
Page:  58
By YOGI RAMACHARAKA

See this book, or some other, to learn what is rhythmic breathing. It's not recommended to experiment by yourself with breathing.
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2006, 11:06:54 »

Fear is essential in the wakeful life, it is not essential in the silent land of inner mind experience so try turning the emotion off until awakening.
How?
Well, internal dialogue/imagination is a powerful tool.I used to struggle and pull out of the powerful energy that intensified before entering lucid dreams.I got around this fear by thinking of all the horrid situations so many people have and are facing,and the other major thought was if i let go will i come back? and on assessing the prospect of not i thought i would rather this than lead a life always wondering and wanting to know what and where that tunneling energy would take me.
So many people say they want to know more, but when it presents itself to them in a dream nearly all of us pull out.
The more people who are enCOURAGEd to get in touch with the sleep state the 6Th sense will come out to play.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2006, 08:32:32 »

Hi,
thanks ubiquitous. Here is another quote of same author:

Cultivate the feeling of immortality and reality, and you will gradually
begin to realize that you really exist and will always exist, and Fear will
drop from you like a discarded cloak, for Fear is really the thought
weakening the ill-guarded Instinctive Mind - once get rid of Fear, and the rest is easy.
The affirmation or mantram which has
proven of more benefit than any other in these cases is the positive
assertion of "I AM," which expresses a truth and tends to a mental
attitude which is taken up by the Instinctive Mind and renders it more
positive to others, and less liable to be affected by suggestions, etc. The
mental attitude expressed by "I AM" will surround you with a thought
aura, which will act as a shield and a protection, until such time as you
have fully acquired the higher consciousness, which carries with it a
sense of self confidence and assurance of strength.
From this point you will gradually develop into that consciousness which
assures you that when you say "I," you do not speak only of the
individual entity, with all its strength and power, but know that the "I"
has behind it the power and strength of the Spirit, and is connected
with an inexhaustible supply of force, which may be drawn upon when
needed. Such a one can never experience Fear - for he has risen far
above it. Fear is the manifestation of weakness, and so long as we hug it
to us and make a bosom friend of it, we will be open to the influences of
others. But by casting aside Fear we take several steps upward in the scale, and place ourselves in touch with the
strong, helpful, fearless, courageous thought of the world, and leave behind
us all the old weaknesses and troubles of the old life.
When man learns that nothing can really harm him, Fear seems a folly. And
when man awakens to a realization of his real nature and destiny, he knows
that nothing can harm him, and consequently Fear is discarded.
It has been well said, "There is nothing to fear, but Fear," and in this
epigram is concealed a truth which all advanced occultists will recognize.
The abolishing of Fear places in the hands of Man a weapon of defense and
power which renders him almost invincible.Why do you not take this gift
which is so freely offered you? Let your watchwords be: "I AM." "I AM
FEARLESS AND FREE."
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2006, 14:56:40 »

Fear is definitely a negative thing. Once you realize that all this "we are one" propaganda is a lie, you will be relieved from fear.

Mystics, "gurus" etc. who present enslaving false theories (like "we are one" or "we are only drops in the ocean" etc.) to their followers only add fear in people's minds. In my opinion this kind of brainwashing is almost criminal.

Only scientific research and lucid OBEs will bring real knowledge, and when faith is replaced by knowledge, fear will vanish. When I realized without a doubt, that we are immortal and that we are all individuals (not just parts of some greater whole), it had very positive effect on my life. I'm more calm, creative and friendly towards other people than before. Once more and more people realize our true nature, useless conflicts will surely diminish.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2006, 20:05:27 »

"how does this theory cause fear?"

It can cause fear to people, who don't know how things really are. Just like christians, who believe in hell fear that they have to go there after they die, people who believe that they will merge into "light" or "god" or whatever fear that they must merge and die.

"Not only mystics have this theory, scientists also have it."

No they don't. Most scientists don't believe in spiritual reality. If you refer to quantum physics etc, that's a different thing. I don't know jack about quantum sciences, but I know that even though all living things are made of atoms we are still not the same. I'm me, not Bill Gates, Mike Tyson or cow or fly. I'll admit that in spiritual level all things could be made of consciousness, light, spirit etc, but we are still not the same.

When people will act like individuals and not like clones, great things will happen. Just look what happened to Soviet Union. They tried to make people to live like parts of a greater whole, but they didn't succeed, because humans are individuals. In the end individualism will always win.
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2006, 06:40:00 »

I think the biggest problem of the humanity is laziness. Without laziness there is no limitations...
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2006, 08:05:47 »

Hello !

Darkmor, I'll explain my point:

"Fear generates undesirable thoughts and makes impossible to control and command ourselves.
Fear is the true cause of war and world strifes, it throws man against man.
Fear is our greatest  enemy, to a level that if humanity could destroy fear we would have nothing to fear of."

Hi SS_Patrick, I can't understand why is negative that stuff about "we all are one". I feel like you could be right, but I can't say why. Maybe because that words of we are one, could drive to the destruction of our own ego and this would make sheeps of us?
Anyway, maybe you can have a strong ego, and you can feel like a part of whole universe. We are influencing and being influenced every time.

Thanks every body.
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2006, 17:58:06 »

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Hello !

Darkmor, I'll explain my point:



Dakmor please.

And about the subject. I understand your point.
But think about a world without fear. Can you imagine how lazy would the humanity will be without their fears. The fear of future makes the people work in their jobs and make the thinks they don't want to do. If they stop to fear then they would stop doing these things and start to do whatever they want to do. No one would obey the rules. Can you imagine the chaos. No I think fear puts the limits to the humankind. And surely there have to be limitations for the humankind.

Lol this remainded me the lyrics of a song of Megadeth;
Human kind has got to know his limitations
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2006, 21:20:53 »

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Fear is definitely a negative thing. Once you realize that all this "we are one" propaganda is a lie, you will be relieved from fear.

Mystics, "gurus" etc. who present enslaving false theories (like "we are one" or "we are only drops in the ocean" etc.) to their followers only add fear in people's minds. In my opinion this kind of brainwashing is almost criminal.

Only scientific research and lucid OBEs will bring real knowledge, and when faith is replaced by knowledge, fear will vanish. When I realized without a doubt, that we are immortal and that we are all individuals (not just parts of some greater whole), it had very positive effect on my life. I'm more calm, creative and friendly towards other people than before. Once more and more people realize our true nature, useless conflicts will surely diminish.


"We are one" doesn't mean we are the same.  It means we are part of the same thing: Not only do we exist, we are existence.  We don't have to be the same to be part of it all.  This is not fear inducing, except when you think the only real part of you is the part that is different than others.  But if you break up you body into cells, and those into molecules, and those into atoms, and those into quantum particles, which are really interference wave patterns, then you will realize that everything is made out of energy- the same energy that makes the sun also makes you.  So we are all part of the same oneness.  This is physics, pure and simple.

The reason for conflict is that we cling to what makes us different and we label it 'better'.  If something is better than something else, then someone will want more of that and then fighting will start.  And with conflict there is always a loss of some sort, or fear of loss.  And this is what fear is: Fear of loss.  Of losing what we want, what we have, of life.  Show me one fear that is not based on the appearance of discontinuity of something.

The reason that communism was such a disaster is that it was a totalitarian regime- it propagandized an idea but it practiced another.  Since no one had individual rights, only "what is good for the collective" became 'what I say is good for the collective. '  It only pretended to give equal rights to everyone, but it actually gave total rights to whoever was in charge of the collective.  Propaganda and rethoric aside, it was no different than any feudal system.
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2006, 06:23:35 »

Hello.

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The fear of future makes the people work in their jobs and make the thinks they don't want to do. If they stop to fear then they would stop doing these things and start to do whatever they want to do.


Beautiful world, so utopian that is very difficult to imagine. Maybe it would be better to think about oneself.

Can't you imagine your life without fear? Try it.
Can't you plan your future without fear?
Do you think you would be suicidal or stupid if you were free of fear?

I think fear is not the planning of the future, I think fear is an instant physical reaction.



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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2006, 12:20:50 »

Yea I can imagine my life without fear. Many people would suffer because of that. Don't tell me that you would live peacefully with people because it won't happen. Fear controls us and it is best thing to take the control yourself not destroy it..
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2006, 17:19:29 »

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No I think fear puts the limits to the humankind. And surely there have to be limitations for the humankind.


...as many dictators have said in the past.

Why would you want to limit yourself?
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2006, 22:23:33 »

""We are one" doesn't mean we are the same.  It means we are part of the same thing: Not only do we exist, we are existence.  We don't have to be the same to be part of it all.  This is not fear inducing, except when you think the only real part of you is the part that is different than others."

It is fear inducing, if one believes, as I wrote earlier, that one has to "merge" with "god" or whatever and die. To lose one's individuality is to die. There are some mystics and gurus who claim that we are all the same and there are also many other "enlightened" people, who promote false theories and in reality they are only interested in their followers money. Your definition of "we are one" is different than those concepts that I mentioned as false theories. Therefore there is no need to argue about that.

I want also clarify, that if a healthy grown up man or woman is stupid enough to believe in some cheater's BS theories, it's his/her fault. But there are many christian, satanist, new age and UFO(and many more) cults, where they indoctrinate little children with their ideas. And that is what I meant by criminal.  

"But if you break up you body into cells, and those into molecules, and those into atoms, and those into quantum particles, which are really interference wave patterns, then you will realize that everything is made out of energy- the same energy that makes the sun also makes you.  So we are all part of the same oneness.  This is physics, pure and simple."

Yes, and we are still separate people with separate souls even though we are connected to everything.

"The reason that communism was such a disaster is that it was a totalitarian regime- it propagandized an idea but it practiced another.  Since no one had individual rights, only "what is good for the collective" became 'what I say is good for the collective. '  It only pretended to give equal rights to everyone, but it actually gave total rights to whoever was in charge of the collective.  Propaganda and rethoric aside, it was no different than any feudal system."

Communism was a stillborn idea, and the fall of Soviet Union had it's economic reasons too, but that's not relevant to this topic.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2006, 23:11:16 »

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Hi SS_Patrick, I can't understand why is negative that stuff about "we all are one". I feel like you could be right, but I can't say why. Maybe because that words of we are one, could drive to the destruction of our own ego and this would make sheeps of us?
Anyway, maybe you can have a strong ego, and you can feel like a part of whole universe. We are influencing and being influenced every time.


Exactly. I am sure that strong ego is needed for spiritual development. I don't mean that selfishness and "me me me" - attitude is desirable. One can have strong ego and still be helpful and friendly towards other humans. By "we are all one" I meant theories which propose that we are not individuals but merely parts of "god" etc. and our meaning of life is to merge back to the god (or light etc.) and die.

Your last two sentences describe quite well what I'm trying to say.
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2006, 17:20:26 »

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By "we are all one" I meant theories which propose that we are not individuals but merely parts of "god" etc. and our meaning of life is to merge back to the god (or light etc.) and die.


Some people believe that the ego doesn't really exist. It's an illusion created by our perception and makes us feel like an individual and separated from the world around us. The extinction of the ego wouldn't be death, but liberation. So in this case, the biggest fear of all would be the ego's fear of its own extinction.
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