Humanity sucks

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey

So here's the big question? What on Earth is the cure?

There is only one cure - 99% of the human race needs to be wiped out, from the aftermath the remaining few will be the ones who must create a new society, a new beginning in order to pave the way to a  more enlightened future generation.
Society has reached a point of no return - the only cure is a fresh start for humanity.

The truth can be hard to handle but I see this as the only viable option to turn the world from a pig sty to a greater civilisation.
So unless some giant meteor is gunna hit the earth and wipe out 99% of its population we're doomed.

There is another option, build a time machine, go back in time and alter past major events and somehow create a more enlightened civilisation.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey

So here's the big question? What on Earth is the cure?

There is only one cure - 99% of the human race needs to be wiped out, from the aftermath the remaining few will be the ones who must create a new society, a new beginning in order to pave the way to a  more enlightened future generation.
Society has reached a point of no return - the only cure is a fresh start for humanity.

The truth can be hard to handle but I see this as the only viable option to turn the world from a pig sty to a greater civilisation.
So unless some giant meteor is gunna hit the earth and wipe out 99% of its population we're doomed.

There is another option, build a time machine, go back in time and alter past major events and somehow create a more enlightened civilisation.

This was my first thought as well. Then I thought about. What are we actually saying here? Kill everyone that does not agree with your ideas. This is already being tried throughout the world, has been since the dawn of man, and it has gotten us no where. Granted less humans means less different ideas which equals a greater chance for peace, but I am not so sure that is the cure. What happens when the Earth becomes more populated again? What happens when others have different ideas? Who is to say that it will not return to exactly the way it is now, or worse?

Maybe the world is just as it should be for now and that there is no fast cure. Maybe we all need to learn from what is here now and change ourselves and let each person learn their own lessons and change however they wish to be.

Who are you to say that your ideas are right and everyone else should follow them?

[beavis]

What more do you expect from a monkey's evolutionary brother?

[RJA]

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey

Nobody cares about anything anymore... People are getting away with being total dipsh**s...nobody seems to give a damn about spirituality anymore...I go to a school which the majority of dumbf***s that go there are from the other 2/3 of the population - idiots, sheep, morons, materialists...conceited bastards...people don't think for themselves anymore...Humanity = sheep...Humanity = idiots...People are stupid...unwise greedy morons run the systems...Shallow idiots running around...lately I've had bitter-sweet dreams of humankind being almost extinct...No more dipsh**s...No more sheep...no more idiots...

Your utter contempt and loathing for the human race is coming across loud and clear.  If it weren't for your repeated assurances that you are spiritual, I might mistake your rantings as those of someone who takes guns to school and mows down his classmates. But since you let it be known in no uncertain terms that you are a spiritual giant and a deep thinker I can simply regard the incongruency in your statements to be a humorous and ironic juxtaposition.

But seriously, - you're 14 years old and you've figured out that world is a jumbled amalgamation of hypocrisy, conflicting motives, greed, corruption, suffering, lies and victimization.  Congratulations, you have taken the first step on a life-long journey toward spirituality.  Now your task is to learn to regard the whole mess through the lens of love - Note that the great spiritual leaders throughout time (Jesus, Ghandi, etc. ...) all truly loved even the lowliest of people. No one can tell anyone else how to do this, but I believe if you choose a spiritual tradition (Christianity, Buddhism, ...) and genuinely seek God though it you will be transformed in your thinking over the course of your physical lifetime here.  

At 40 years old I am making my way along this path, and yes it is lonely in some regards, because to truly seek spirituality is to swim against the tide of modern culture.  But I've learned not to focus on others' faults or the circumstances around me, but rather to trust in God that he (I hate using that pronoun) has a plan that is bigger than me and that I'm not aware of.  I've also had to accept that there's very little I do know, and a whole lot I don't know.  And I've had to accept that I am no more important in the cosmic scheme of things than the next person.

In short, it's difficult to assess one's level of spirituality but generally it shows in the way we think about and act toward all of creation.  (The Bible lists the "fruits of the Spirit", i.e. the signs of a spiritual life, as Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control.  Not that we should just "do" these things, but that if we are truly living a spiritual life, these qualities will be a natural outgrowth of that.

Peace to you.  []

[DjM]

Oh, ya Big Fat Turkey- it does not!  (just joking [)])  

Humanity is NECESSARY.

Most of what you pointed at within your post represents the human Ego, which is now on its own.  I certainly don't discard the examples themselves, however, I do choose to look at the positive side of this phase of our evolution.  FYI: negative thoughts can cause health problems.

I AM certain that you'll figure this "ego thing" in a more positive way as you develop. I AM! []

[Fat_Turkey]

Thank you for your feedback. And by the way, at the time I wrote that post I was in a really pessimistic mood...but since then (albeit a day []) I have learnt a few lessons. RJA put in a very good point.

I guess the only thing I'm frustrated with is that I'll never be as big a leader as Buddha, Jesus, or Ghandi. People and their egos will strut around until we're all dead for all I can see. I just haven't really developed a love of all people because as far as I'm concerned right now, more than half the people around me are total pricks, have never done anything kind for others and are only friends with other people for their own personal gains in popularity or otherwise - but then again, that's High School for ya.

Thanks again, especially RJA, for opening my immature eyes to the big picture. I'll still despair the fact that humanity seems to be heading towards a mass suicide of itself, but I should look apon things more lovingly and follow those "fruits" RJA spoke of.

Thanks
~FT

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey

I guess the only thing I'm frustrated with is that I'll never be as big a leader as Buddha, Jesus, or Ghandi. People and their egos will strut around until we're all dead for all I can see. I just haven't really developed a love of all people

Actually, you can!  However, it might not come to fruition in this lifetime.  FYI: everything is by degrees.  Nature (evolution) tells us this is so.

After the ego is developed, we'll work on something else.  There is ALWAYS something to work on in a world of constant change.  We don't develop, until we're dead. We constantly develop (i.e. before/after death).

One might say that you haven't developed a love of all people, YET.

[RJA]

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey

I guess the only thing I'm frustrated with is that I'll never be as big a leader as Buddha, Jesus, or Ghandi.

Ghandi never intended to be a big, spiritual leader.  He worked as a lawyer (barrister) in London and championed the rights of the poor, but very gradually transformed into the spiritual leader that he eventually became.  It's interesting to note that he wasn't the type of leader that just sat around on a mat talking about spirituality.  He actually walked from town to town in India teaching the poor how about hygiene, growing their own food, etc.  He was very concerned with empowering people to be self-sustaining so that others would not have power over them.

You may end up a world-renowned spiritual leader, but you don't need to strive to be a great leader like them.  I believe that our lives have purposes and for some of us our purpose may be to toil in obscurity, performing valuable work but getting no recognition.  It is our egos that crave stature and recognition.  At 40 years old, despite thinking on this for decades, I still crave recognition.  On one level I desperately desire to let go of my ego, and yet in so many ways I still want to be thought important, to be envied, to be well-regarded by the "world". Ego, ego, ego - banishing it may be easier for some, I don't know, but for me it's a lifelong battle.

And high school is the toughest time of life in that regard probably because your entire life is ahead of you and it holds so much possibility.  Additionally, at that age we are awash in hormones and developing emotions and swimming in an atmosphere where the pressure to conform and be accepted is greater than anywhere else in life.  And yet, it is good because it's a very valuable learning environment.  Remember that whether you succeed or fail in any particular endeaver, - take a spiritual lesson away from it.  The world is our cosmic classroom and spiritual lessons can be drawn everyday from everything around us.

quote:People and their egos will strut around until we're all dead for all I can see.

Yes.  Every soul that exists is being slowly refined.  I believe the physical human race was specifically designed as a vessel in which our souls could be placed for the express purpose of spiritual growth.  Egos strutting around, to me, is evidence that this process is occurring as it's supposed to.  And although it's aggravating watching others' egos, I recognize that all of the flaws that I see in others exist in me to some degree and that I'm probably blind to many of my own faults.  So I try to stay focused on smoothing out my own rough edges and I try to cut others a lot of slack, figuring that they also are going through this same process.

quote:I just haven't really developed a love of all people because as far as I'm concerned right now, more than half the people around me are total pricks, have never done anything kind for others and are only friends with other people for their own personal gains in popularity or otherwise - but then again, that's High School for ya.

Again, this goes back to your perspective on why we're all here.  They're a work in progress and in our own way we're all egotistic pricks to one degree or another.  I continually remind myself that others are works in progress and I also employ various tricks when I'm tempted to think poorly of someone.  If the person in front of me is driving too slow, I pretend it's my mom who also drives slow, etc.

Another thing I like to do when someone does something that I don't like, is to contemplate *why* they acted that way.  What forces have shaped them?  What are their motives?  What is really behind their actions?  Often I believe that insecurity, ignorance, and the need for acceptance are behind many unkind actions and if you trace motives back far enough it is usually FEAR that is behind those other causes.  Fear of not being liked or accepted.  Fear of failing a class or being dumped or being laughed at or not being invited to a party or losing one's job or being sick, etc.  Fear manifests itself in a thousand different ways and the ego responds to fear by invoking a defense mechanism: make fun of someone else so that I won't be made fun of, act tough so that I won't be thought of as weak, act confident so that my insecurity won't be visible, dump her before she can dump me, don't risk emotional closeness with another so that I can't get hurt, etc.  

I find that even understanding my own motives is a slow process of applying these same questions to my own actions.  Why am I negative toward that particular person at work?  Because I secretly resent that she has a higher job than me. Why? Because she's younger and I don't think she deserves that job. Why does that affect me? Because I feel jipped and a little disappointed that I haven't been promoted.  Why do I want to be promoted?  Money, recognition.  Why are these things important to me? etc.  Ultimately it comes down to my ego being insecure and afraid.  But little by little I'm learning to see life from the perspective of an observer, striving to see it from God's perspective and trying to focus on the raging ego inside of me rather than others' faults (Carl Jung would say that those qualities in others that particular annoy me are the qualities in myself that I have pushed into my subconscious and am now projecting onto others).

Life is a process and pain, anger, jealousy, resentment, loathing, lonliness, etc. are just as valuable a part of the human experience as are the more positive emotions.  They are red flags thrown up by our spirits to tell us to take note and learn from what we are feeling.  Spiritual growth is about coming to know ourselves and allowing ourselves to be inwardly transformed. Too much focusing on others is a way of avoiding that process.

Anyway, that's my rant for today. []

[wantsumrice]

just embrace it all! humanity is what you make it...whining and pining wont help [] But it does relieve some pent up anger doesnt it?

Humanity is on a path that is should be on...dont think differently, everything will be clear in the end.

Love be with all,
~ivan

[Fat_Turkey]

Thanks yet again RJA, you're insight is a great help.

In the end my original whining was oriented around my deep hating towards my high school, why people can't just leave me alone, why I'm always isolated, why I'm never accepted. They're always watching me, everything I say is recorded in their heads and then it spreads like wildfire through the school. The next day I would've forgotten what I said/did and they're consistently reminding me of it through insults and mockeries. And the worst thing is their subtleness in doing so. Only I understand what they're saying to me, half the time my friends tell me I'm overreacting because they don't understand. And a teacher just plainly doesn't understand. I've even tried explaining:

"Last year I got into something and now I believe that all life has energies running through it and within it blah blah blah, my original findings were of little immature people who called it Ki blah blah blah and based most of their ideas on a TV show called DragonBall Z blah blah blah."

The teacher clearly didn't know what DBZ was, hell I don't even watch the show and I know the basics behind what "story" the show even has. On top of that he didn't understand how the other guys did things to me and how it offended me so deeply.

Sorry for raging about humankind as it is. I just get so ticked off with my retarded high school for not realising that 1)I made a stupid mistake to tell people what I (temporarily) believed last year, 2) that people change, and 3) that they should get the hell over it.

Now I've lost my train of thought and I don't even know what the original purpose of my reply was for O_e

Later
~FT

[cainam_nazier]

FT,

You will never be able to change the world unless you can change your own view of it.  If you only see what the world is and not what it could be, then sadly, it will never change.  Change comes from throughts and ideas, from with in.  If you can not see the potential of something then you will never find it.

I will agree that no one can change the world.  But people have the ability to change and grow.  If you can help  one person change in even the smallest bit, well then in my book you have done your part for the greater good.

[The AlphaOmega]

For the most part I agree humanity sucks.  That's why my faith lies in a higher power.

[Adkha]

Humanity does not suck....if we would...it means we have no higher purpose in life, so it would be unuseful to seek for it. So the majority of humanity are no idiots and no morrons....so they do not suck.

 I think we have a greater purpose to look for and like you say find out more about spirituality. BUT it is the control system that sucks...that manipulate us, that manipulate themselves. In true nature your mind is in a 100 % state of peace, but the problems u create makes your mind more negative.

It's the system (society) that manipulate our Ego, and it is our Ego that makes us feel bad....and gives us false emotions like hate, fear, anger etc)

That's how it could be....argue me now

[Logic]

Your not going to become the next buhdda or jesus if you keep slandering your followers. You attract more bee's with honey..

[cmtsailor]

There have been a lot of great posts on this forum, especially by RJA.  I have taken a couple of years to volunteer as a missionary in the Philippines.  I grew up in the United States, I wasn't rich but never really had to worry about having food to eat or clothes to wear.  I was used to our culture and way of doing things which I viewed as being superior.  I won't go into all the details to spare you the reading.  I learned a lot by doing, and sometimes there are other ways equally as good to do things.  I could have read a book about it and intellectually understood, but it isn't the same.  Love.  Look at everything, accept it good and bad.  Be a part of the solution to the worlds' problems and mankinds weaknesses.