Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[sushil yadav]

what Sushil is saying is completely absurd.

It aslo dosen't change the fact that you are being extremely hypocritical, as you have a computer on your 'table' right now and I'm sure you have many other technological things that you do not need. in fact the only way your not being hypocritical is if you build your own house out of mud and sticks and carve spears to hunt your food with. And that is a fact.

I find it ironic that you have no concern/ compassion for Environment despite the fact that you owe your very existence to nature/ environment.

Why do you breathe the Air?
Why do you drink the Water?
Why do you eat the Food that comes from Soil? - Why don't you have Computers for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Take all your technology to the Moon - and try producing a single grain of Food without using any natural ingredient from Earth.


In the absence of Nature your grandfather would'nt have lived.
In the absence of Nature your father would'nt have lived.
In the absence of Nature you would'nt have lived.

Show some respect to Nature.

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[Sharpe]

Omg, you don't get it!
First of all if you want people to do what you want, you dont tell the truth...
If you want to change the world you don't "just" do it.
People are programmed too much "in" the economy which is controlled by banks and the internal revenue service, they control the media and politics around the world.
Don't you think their grandparents busted their asses off to get control?
You have to give your life and be patient if you want the world.

[sushil yadav]

Omg, you don't get it!

But I'm definite you can't handle it, go die, hippie.

Here comes the wise one.

What great work have you done until now?
What are your results?
Have you managed to change the world?

Kill yourself first , before you ask others to die.

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[Sharpe]

You first.

[sushil yadav]

sushil yadav, you sound exactly like I did some 6 years ago, and I also heard the same things you're hearing now. It's not that I stopped believing, or even conformed, no, but I learned that the message goes to everyone or no one. No one is happy with the abuse of the resources and the contamination of the environment, but euphoric words won't change the course of things. The best you can do is become a living example for the others, and hopefully they will follow, but even if they don't, know in your mind that you're doing the best that you can, and that's the most you can wish for. You're really not alone in this.

AndrewTheSinger,

Thanks for your message. You are right - people don't care about Nature/ Environment.
 
When people fall sick, they rush to the Doctor.
When people fall sick, they rush to the Hospital.

When these same people are told - the Earth is sick - all Ecosystems are dying, they say - why bother - why change our lifestyle - it was meant to happen this way.


Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".



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[Sharpe]

You don't understand if we change the system now, everyone will be depressed and unhappy.
These things take time to change and I don't see why we would change.
And besides, some people want to learn the truth about our existence, if people like you take that away, you take away that whole purpose.
We need an industrial society to figure out the truth.
What gives you the right to take that away?

If you take away everything of this society, the idea of attraction male/female will shift also depending on make-up and clothes.
People will get more depressed if they can't get their sexual needs.
And besides the status-hiërarchy is build on having more consumer goods than other people.

Another thing is: Most people want to change the political system to shift the idea of the status-hiërarchy to make their own position the highest.

And your idea of "great" is just a simple reflection of your status in this society.
Nothing is better than the other, people will always be unhappy, and some people will stay happy.
If you fail in this society, you will fail in your society when people with more ambition get the higher status  and beat you at your own game.

Be aware of yourself first.

[sushil yadav]

For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

So when are we moving to a new home ?

Next year - or 5 years later ?


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[zareste]

The other day I had something strange happen. I was riding my bike late at night - nothing special - when something changed in my mind and I went into this state where I understood the planet was a living thing, and I got feelings from it. (this was completely unprovoked and I still don't know how it happened)

I found myself looking through the past, feeling the memories of what went on centuries ago when there were no cars or planes or factories anywhere. The ecosystem was very complex - the radiation from the sun over the meadows and the countless plants and the bugs here and there, the pollen and ions in the wind. Everything very alive and very active. It was like another planet - very different from the 'nature' you see when you drive out to the park or to the country in our current time, now that the systems have been broken down into a dry, lifeless stupor.

But during my few moments in this state, something else became clear: There were conflicts between animals, the bugs were fighting, the mammals ate each other, the plants had thorns, there were widespread fights between species. While it's all very fascinating from the perspective of an intelligent being, the creatures living in it were less than amused.

Our planet, while alive, was always a bit demented.

That's why the industrials don't think twice before knocking down a forest. You have to think: Was the world so much better before? There used to be bears and wolves where I live now. The natives were always dying of disease and starvation, and killed each other as well as the animals. There were always physical and psychic predators everywhere. The order may have been upset by the industrials, but it wasn't a very pleasant order.

There's a reason the environmentalists aren't stopping the destruction. If they wanted, they could drag the industrials into the streets tomorrow and paint the city with their blood, and we could go back to the old ways. But we don't want to go back to the old ways, do we?

What we want is something new. Something that's better than the old ways and better than the ancient ways.

[CFTraveler]

I had the impression industrialism is pretty much over.  It's heyday was when mechanization was seen as the answer to all our problems and political systems reorganized themselves to make this 'dream' happen.  Both communism and capitalism (as we have it now, with multinationals mechanizing all aspects of production, and humans almost exclusively dedicated to sell the products of this mechanization.) were designed for this- but now we have come to understand that the industrial revolution is over and nothing improved in general- we don't have more food, more time for art and other enrichment activities, more anything else.  So now we're moving away from it.
The question is, towards what?  I've heard it be said that this is the beginning of the 'communication' era- that information is treated as a commodity as much as manufactured goods used to be.  The  question is, is this true, and if it is, what does this mean for the world, and all those that live in it?

[zareste]

Hmm, communication sounds good to me. Toppling the hierarchy and all. My hope for the future is that people will drop centralized governments and capitalist/socialist/communist social systems (all of which function on the "you'll work because I tell you to" philosophy) and instead form cause-driven societies. That is, organizations of people working toward common agendas, cooperating with whoever they want to cooperate with - not whoever they're forced to cooperate with.

I think it could work because that's how the more intelligent humanoids tend to function. Some of their societies have no crime, few conflicts, and no need for currency because everything is provided. They aim for common causes, so they're concerned with each other's well-being and not simply burdened by each other like people in our society.

[no_leaf_clover]

You don't understand if we change the system now, everyone will be depressed and unhappy.

This is exactly what is going to happen in the next several years, to put it lightly.  The wheels of the system come to a screeching halt because no one has been taking care of it,  just as no one has been taking good care of the Earth itself.

[sushil yadav]

I had the impression industrialism is pretty much over.  It's heyday was when mechanization was seen as the answer to all our problems and political systems reorganized themselves to make this 'dream' happen.  Both communism and capitalism (as we have it now, with multinationals mechanizing all aspects of production, and humans almost exclusively dedicated to sell the products of this mechanization.) were designed for this.

This is exactly what is going to happen in the next several years, to put it lightly.  The wheels of the system come to a screeching halt because no one has been taking care of it,  just as no one has been taking good care of the Earth itself.

Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.


When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals.  What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel  - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.

If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.


We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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[CFTraveler]

Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.


When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals.  What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel  - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.

If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.


We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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Sushil, what's your point?  I see what looks like propaganda and sloganism, but no answer to any questions.

[sushil yadav]

Sushil, what's your point?  I see what looks like propaganda and sloganism, but no answer to any questions.

CFTraveler,

There are no answers - there are no solutions.

What is the fate of a vehicle running in a closed garage?


The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


sushil_yadav

[Stookie]

So this whole thread is just to tell us we're all doomed? Thanks for the message, Buzz Killington.