I can't help but think of the Tonal/Nagual when i read this [
From the second we are born we begin to create ideas of the world we have just entered. These ideas are heavily influenced by our surroundings, the people around us, the environments that surround us etc. So, you might say that a lot of what we think and feel has been influenced by society and very little of what we think and feel, if any, has remained untouched. I do think there is a part of us that can break through that social perception, though, and realise what our world truly is. Through our spirit we can break through any boundaries that society has put on us. You say it's when we travel the astral planes, you might say it's when we awaken the kundalini, reach gnosis.
The social part of it all, all our thoughts/beliefs, all our feelings is our tonal. The gnosis is the Nagual.
So really this debate can be summed up by saying that the Nagual is really just a part of the Tonal, but anybody who has experienced gnosis will tell you that gnosis is very different and, in fact, seperate from anything.
Sure we have used social techniqes to reach gnosis, but once we are there, there everything we have learned and known doesn't exist.
What i'm saying is that society (Tonal) can be a great tool to aid us in breaking through the mould and reaching the unknown (Nagual), but once we are there society is useless. In fact, once we are there society doesn't even exist.
I hope people understood that. I didn't really clearly explain what the Tonal and the Nagual are for those who don't know, but i'm sure you can find out. If not, i'd be glad to tell you what i think they are, although i don't really know what the Nagual is [
You might also like to note that this is all very new to me (spiritualness), so a lot of what i say may be incorrect.