Monetary system and Spirituality

[jilola]

Hah, we're the gathering of the sad flameless ones []

Money isn't really the issue, is it? It's how you, as an individual, relate to it. So it's all about YOU and not anything around you, or anything you have or don't have.
Now how do most people get so distracted and lost as to think it matter how much of something you have instead of caring about how you have what you have or what you make of what you have or can give to others?

2cents & L&L
jouni

PS: Give me money.

[Osiris]

Greetings,


Monetary system and Spirituality. Good it`s `and` not `versus`:) So there is a possibility for a bridge. Personally I think that to be involved in the money making can either diminish your spirituality or greatly enchance it. It`s a test that not everyone would choose. In a way we are all progressing trought challenges. Some would see they challenge as to help others in the role of healers, spiritual advisers,etc.
Some would prefer to meet challenges of bussiness world so they can test how strong they morals are.

I think that our era demands for integration. Integration is possible only when people on the both ends accept certain spiritual values as the best solution to provide for they needs.

I do believe that there is a group of people who are afraid to let go. They are so used to the old ways. You can meet them everywhere.
In a shop,church, new age movement, bank, goverment office, etc...
And they are in turn influencing people around.

It`s very challeging for someone to embrace spiritual values, becouse then thay can`t do the things they did before to earn money. Or at least they have to change they ways substancially.
Like some investment bankers:)))

There is a need for this people to see a suitable solution. Maybe it was they life plan to become an enlighted businessman:)) And becouse New Age in the minds of many seems to be conception that exclude business, they can`t benefit fully from the teachings. Or they fall a victim of the some Self-Grow books likes `How become Millionaire in 10 days` where author claiming that by simply virtue of the daily affirmation one can become extra rich.
Naturally there is plenty good books too.
   
There is a definition of a New Age in the Oxford dictionary :
adj.connected with a way of life that rejects moder Western values and is based spiritual ideas and beliefs. New Age travellers (= people in Britain who reject the values of modern society and travel from place to place, living in their vehicles)  ))

I did notice if people don`t change voluntarily they will have to change under difficult circumstances. Look at Enron, etc
related cases. It`s seem that karma manifests itself almost instantly now.


At the end I would like to share the following observation.
The reason why peole strive to surround themself with an exessive luxury, lies in they unconsious wish to cover a lack of a true spiritual harmony, wich is the firm knowlege of innerself and one relationship with GOD.

Sincerely yours,

Osiris.

[cainam_nazier]

Personally I want to be obscenly rich.  I strive to be so.  I do this knowing that through my travels I will be tested.  I do this knowing that I will be given the opportunity to become a better person.  I do this also knowing that in the end I will have less worries.  The fewer things I need to worry about, like food, housing, bills, ect., the more energy and time can be put towards my spiritual needs.

[bomohwkl]

cainam_nazier, Have you ever come into your mind how can you be rich financially without taking advantage of others. Don't you need to compete with others? How do you feel when the issue of money restrict your freedom of choice again and again? Where is the feeling of love in that situation? In this world, it is just hard to maintain the feeling of bliss and love throughout our conscious awakening.
Pursuiting money has robbed away majority of our time to study ourselves. What I mean, the world is better place without money.

[bomohwkl]

Osiris
Monetary system AND Spirituality.After studying my myself,I think I know why I use AND rather than vs.
I think monetary system causes widespred suffering. It seem that for majority of people we will not learn until we suffer. Spirituality is the road to overcome such suffering. Only when we LEARN that there is a bridge. Life is just a lesson to test our understanding.

[bomohwkl]

jilola,
Mother Teresa cared the poorest of the poor was indeed inspiring. She provided essential necessities for them.Street beggars came in and then returned to the street again. Unfortunately her approach has caused dependency of her help. The best solution seems to teach them to think themselves to see the other alternatives and helped them to achieve it.
Jesus once said, " ......If you give money to charity, you will harm our spirit"
Sorry, jilola I wouldnt give you money.[]

[Nick]

As James said above, a balance exists that we should strive for. Also, as Dave indicated there is nothing wrong with it, so long as there is balance.

Spirituality can and should influence our daily affairs, including our use of money. If, as has been said, we balance our earnings with spirituality, then we can see to it that good work is done.

There is nothing wrong with earning a decent wage. No, it does not mean that by doing so you step on people. That happens, but as individuals we decide whether or not we're going to do so. Point is, you can earn and still be a good person.

[beavis]

jilola "Hah, we're the gathering of the sad flameless ones"

People who flame are worthless scumbags. They all deserve to die in a crocodile and scorpion pit! I'll kill them all. Flaming is bad. I'd never do that.

[Tayesin]

 Hi Again.

We are taught that money is evil. I wonder how an object can be evil?
Perhaps nothing is inherently evil of it's own.

From reading the posts here, it seems that a persons intent and aspirations have a lot to do with whether they see it as good or bad.
And I agree that a balance is required, as it is in all things. I also agree that it is not good practice to allow others too learn that someone else will help them...as per the post by Jilola. And that is true. That way also leads to further disempowerment.

For me, money seems to be in short supply most of the time and that can cause some problems when it comes to not being able to do some things in the world. But that is obviously a learning for me. And I would always choose to help others find their way without charging for it.  So the best way would seem to lie somewhere in the middle, again. With the way I view it, it would be better for me to find a way to be payed more, for using skills in a workplace, than to charge high fees to people who come asking my help.  But, that's just my choice.

Love always.

[bomohwkl]

So many can easily think that money is short. It is not easy for them to conclude that that the goal of life is making more and more money so that you never short of money. Most teengers and kids even get an impression that the goal of life is money, money and money.The danger lies here.
So little people would think that there is more life than just concentrating in earning more and more money.

[jilola]

Bomohwlk: You contradict yourself with regard to my post.
The thing about money and thelack of it is that it is only a tool. If you have it you can choose to use it either for the better or the worse. If you don't the lack of it has no bearing on who and what you are.
If money becomes a value unto itself one is way off the right path. It has value only as a means to reach a goal and the goal is what ultimately defines the value of the money spent or gathered.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[bomohwkl]

How often, when u examine yourself,you are trying to take advantage of people, in order to save or earn more money? How often, hatred, irration and anger have been provoked just becuase of time-money issue?

It is true that money can be used to do good things. People think that it is tool.For every tool, whether it is misused or not depends entirely on the person himself. I can say it is the most misused tool ever created by mankind.

How many people could imagine a world without money? Aren't we the puppet of the materialistic society? Allowing us to be exploited and controlled by the rich one in order to maximize profit? Aren't we allowing our enviroment to be damaged by them? But they are the person who create jobs for us so that we could pay the bills, mortages and etc. We couldn't go against them even they are killing the environment. If a law is passed to ban the use of petrol/diesel, surely a lots of people will lose the jobs. No politicians are dare to do that, as their money come from large co-operations. We all the puppet of money. What happen if you are so depending on certain tool? What happen if u so dependent on calculator? We couldn't think otherwise.

The whole society is based on money to measure personal/national progress. Can a nation capable to think otherwise?

At present, the whole 'system' is self-destructive. Are you able to see it? Probably, human needs to extensive suffering become he comes to realize that.

No matter how we relate the money,something is certain. In order to live in modern society we NEED money and we all DEPEND on it.

Our extreme dependency on money in every life has caused so much suffering in the world. That's the danger. Giving money to the unfortunate one doesn't help to reduce human dependency on money.
So few people realize it and therefore the misery of the world continues.

Our dependency of money is really a big issue!

[beavis]

To me, OBE, telekinesis, telepathy, etc are more important than money, but I need money so I'll have food and an apartment to do those things in. Since I cant do those things without money, money becomes more important.

[bomohwkl]

Any comment welcome.