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« on: January 16, 2014, 03:06:28 »

I took a philosophical approach to understanding reality and the astral, but it seems as if there is more to it then simply being an observer to reality and having an intent. Ive been reading on the beliefs of ancient Egyptians and found that they believed that even the spiritual side of us needed food, hence the offerings they made to their dead. I've heard mention of how astral travelers recharge themselves at pyramids. How does our need for energy even in the astral, work out in the grand scheme of things? Why cant beings just consume energy from the fabric of reality itself? Perhaps the astral is simply another level of physical reality?

And if we are just pure consciousness then what is stopping us from astral projecting and channeling an IMMENSE amount of energy to change the entire nature of this physical realm to our individual liking? Let me go into the astral and channel enough energy to create another star for example?
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 13:02:12 »

You need entropy in life systems or chaos would reign. Life would become one galactic sized cancer if left unchecked.
The energy we carry into the experiences is better stored like a battery holds electricity, rather than searching for some recharge point.
In life this is apparent too. We can't exist eating soil but with some work and care we can eat what comes from the soil. The more you put in, the more you reap.
Channelling massive amounts of energy isn't required. Think about the physical as a sort of boarding school. Youre here for the term and when this time expires you are returning to a place where you have the energy channeled already.
It's up to you to make the difference to your stay here as best you can. At times taking a gamblers route pays off. Most times you suffer. Working hard for something is slower but earned and it only fails when you do.
The astral is similar in it's ways. You start out in the RTZ or similar and progress from there. By learning how to control things you get proficient at entering and leaving any scene or location. At some point things change and your travels take on a lot wider range of experiences. You have to learn again as these experiences are far outside of normality based on your experiences upto that time. The astral has opened its doors and you are now in the wider reality. The difference is similar to being a child in a nursery with all its limitations to leaving school with qualifications ect and attempting to find a way to fit in with all the buisness vultures our there.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 14:59:36 »

You need entropy in life systems or chaos would reign. Life would become one galactic sized cancer if left unchecked.
The energy we carry into the experiences is better stored like a battery holds electricity, rather than searching for some recharge point.
In life this is apparent too. We can't exist eating soil but with some work and care we can eat what comes from the soil. The more you put in, the more you reap.
Channelling massive amounts of energy isn't required. Think about the physical as a sort of boarding school. You're here for the term and when this time expires you are returning to a place where you have the energy channeled already.
It's up to you to make the difference to your stay here as best you can. At times taking a gamblers route pays off. Most times you suffer. Working hard for something is slower but earned and it only fails when you do.
The astral is similar in it's ways. You start out in the RTZ or similar and progress from there. By learning how to control things you get proficient at entering and leaving any scene or location. At some point things change and your travels take on a lot wider range of experiences. You have to learn again as these experiences are far outside of normality based on your experiences upto that time. The astral has opened its doors and you are now in the wider reality. The difference is similar to being a child in a nursery with all its limitations to leaving school with qualifications ect and attempting to find a way to fit in with all the buisness vultures our there.
How does our awareness count as a "life system"?  And a "galactic sized cancer" of life? You mean biological life or consciousness? The idea of our consciousness having to go to a "boarding school" and returning after to a place where we have the energy "channeled already" sounds too arbitrary for my tastes. I would assume that we all start out as one with all knowledge and in oneness with the universe for that matter. And consequently the INITIAL experience must be to forget all knowledge and leave the harmony.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2014, 17:05:49 »

There will be a certain amount of personal opinion in these answers, because of the nature of the question, I think.  So I'll share mine.
I took a philosophical approach to understanding reality and the astral, but it seems as if there is more to it then simply being an observer to reality and having an intent. Ive been reading on the beliefs of ancient Egyptians and found that they believed that even the spiritual side of us needed food, hence the offerings they made to their dead. I've heard mention of how astral travelers recharge themselves at pyramids. How does our need for energy even in the astral, work out in the grand scheme of things? Why cant beings just consume energy from the fabric of reality itself? Perhaps the astral is simply another level of physical reality?
I think the need for energy is physical, and the beliefs in the need for food translate into 'acquiring energy in the astral'.  For example, we bring a lot of what we understand to be reality to projection, such as sexual urges and sensations, the sense of taste, etc.  Whether this means that these things 'exist' in the astral is one thing, but it seems to me that we're processing these experiences with our bodies, and this is where the need for energy comes from.  However, I do not believe that the astral is separate from the physical, as I've said in other places before.  I know this flies in the face of many spiritual teachings and paradigms, but that's not my concern.

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And if we are just pure consciousness then what is stopping us from astral projecting and channeling an IMMENSE amount of energy to change the entire nature of this physical realm to our individual liking? Let me go into the astral and channel enough energy to create another star for example?
I think this is the latest adopted paradigm that has been adopted by many people here, and I find it to be one of those 'this is what reality is, type of sweeping statements that I don't entirely agree with.
I don't know if we're 'pure consciousness', whatever that is, to me this is just a catchall word to disguise the original concept of 'spirit'.  Because the word 'spirit' has been coopted by religion to mean whatever the particular religious tradition means, modern mystics (and yes, I said the 'm' word) are using the word consciousness to mean something equally vague.
As far as I know, everything in the universe is made by energy and information.  Information gives energy its expression- pure energy is not 'anything' but potential, and information is what makes it 'be' something, be it matter or light.
So what is in the astral?  I don't know- maybe a graduation of more information and less energy, until we get to the 'mental' 'planes', which would be 'all' information and 'no' energy.
But this is speculation on my part.
And yes, I know this is going to make me hugely unpopular, but whatcha gonna do.

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2014, 17:56:01 »

Ya, I tend to like the idea that the astral is just another physical. Instead of jumping from physical world to spiritual. It seems that its more of like a ladder that you climb up into a higher plane where the reality bends more to your will but is still essentially following the same laws.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2014, 22:13:38 »

Without actually typing awareness or conciousness some confusion has arisen. I was taking your philosophical approach as an arbitrary comment, not a unilateralised census. Lol.
By comparing the differences between the NP that's experienced and physical lifes experiences some differences exist. The boundaries coexist in aspects but not enough is known of these interactions. The functions of the brain regarding memory is just one example of the duality.

Biological life systems are being referred to, as in physical life systems. I thought that was obvious.

Conciousness itself, is separate from physical life as it appears to exist outside of any bio-system.
Awareness moreso, these I was going to address in a later post should they become an active part of your interesting topic.

You may be onto something with the memory blanked out initially when coming to the physical. When some retrievals start this happens often, it applies moreso where a large group need 'attention'. Your memories return in stages throughout the experience. Not much is known as to why this occurs. On the one to one retrievals your memory isnt affected.

If this disconnection and memory wipe exists we have a conundrum, what started the individual to want to become?
A chicken and egg enigma.
From my many experiences with the universal oneness, the ambience is enough for you to never want to return to the physical. Why become an individual unless you have always been an individual and this ' frequency, location or label it accordingly' place is where full connection exist with the source. Full data communication for all present would appear as the source if you tapped into it briefly from outside its 'boundary' (labels accepted). You may download info to the concious you and run a program where you enter the subroutine or world of choice for a finite time.
This is one of many possibilities but rings true if you encounter other NP worlds where the indigenous are rigidly fixed as we are in this physical. We can affect more in the NP than in our primary physical state. Dragging people through walls is a perfect example. It can't be done in the physical without advanced electronics knowhow.
Interesting topic.


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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2014, 00:04:08 »

Without actually typing awareness or conciousness some confusion has arisen. I was taking your philosophical approach as an arbitrary comment, not a unilateralised census. Lol.
By comparing the differences between the NP that's experienced and physical lifes experiences some differences exist. The boundaries coexist in aspects but not enough is known of these interactions. The functions of the brain regarding memory is just one example of the duality.

Biological life systems are being referred to, as in physical life systems. I thought that was obvious.

Conciousness itself, is separate from physical life as it appears to exist outside of any bio-system.
Awareness moreso, these I was going to address in a later post should they become an active part of your interesting topic.

You may be onto something with the memory blanked out initially when coming to the physical. When some retrievals start this happens often, it applies moreso where a large group need 'attention'. Your memories return in stages throughout the experience. Not much is known as to why this occurs. On the one to one retrievals your memory isnt affected.

If this disconnection and memory wipe exists we have a conundrum, what started the individual to want to become?
A chicken and egg enigma.
From my many experiences with the universal oneness, the ambience is enough for you to never want to return to the physical. Why become an individual unless you have always been an individual and this ' frequency, location or label it accordingly' place is where full connection exist with the source. Full data communication for all present would appear as the source if you tapped into it briefly from outside its 'boundary' (labels accepted). You may download info to the concious you and run a program where you enter the subroutine or world of choice for a finite time.
This is one of many possibilities but rings true if you encounter other NP worlds where the indigenous are rigidly fixed as we are in this physical. We can affect more in the NP than in our primary physical state. Dragging people through walls is a perfect example. It can't be done in the physical without advanced electronics knowhow.
Interesting topic.



  I called it arbitrary because it seems like a big wall was just put on our freewill that we don't have any chance of escaping. Its like one of those star trek episodes where a guy is trapped in between parallel realities for all eternity. I believe we have the ability to maneuver around/eliminate any obstacle no matter how much time it takes. Leaving this reality by our own will remains a possibility and where there is possibility there is choice.
   You referred to da need for entropy so that chaos wouldn't reign. And I was writing about how the "need for food" also occurs in the astral. hmm, so that could mean that an even more fundamental part of us iz liable to entropy. Or it could just be subconscious, an effect of our physical environment on our thoughts made manifest in the astral. But that raizes another topic of concern. If the effect iz just subconscious then  this physical realm iz acting to mislead us into believing that we need food in this greater astral reality. If the physical iz a school, then its not doing a very good job.
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 If the physical iz a school, then its not doing a very good job.
I believe this physical school is doing exactly what it wanted to achieve and that is it has given us a means to where we can experience reality in a completely different form, through the use of our physical senses and appendages.  
 
 Just remember, we are a very "minute" part of the populace that are achieving or even wanting to achieve AP consciously aware.

 To most, the physical is all they know.  wink

 The bigger question should be why are WE (those on this Forum and other AP related sites) being shown the NP from a conscious viewpoint? I hear that everyone can do it. I don't buy that anymore, because I have been shown time and time again, especially on this Forum that you can teach all you wish, but if what you are teaching or helping others with is not being applied, then it's not going to work. The member's basic conclusion would be then that this is all a "farce".

 Those with the staying power, the ones that practice, the ones that frequent this site often and read the books, watch the videos, basically incorporate this into themselves period, are the ones that succeed. This isn't something you do, it's something you become!

 I know people get sick of seeing this statement over and over again, but it is true, "Change your mindset, you change your Reality"

 
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2014, 03:22:03 »

I believe this physical school is doing exactly what it wanted to achieve and that is it has given us a means to where we can experience reality in a completely different form, through the use of our physical senses and appendages.  
 
 Just remember, we are a very "minute" part of the populace that are achieving or even wanting to achieve AP consciously aware.

 To most, the physical is all they know.  wink

 The bigger question should be why are WE (those on this Forum and other AP related sites) being shown the NP from a conscious viewpoint? I hear that everyone can do it. I don't buy that anymore, because I have been shown time and time again, especially on this Forum that you can teach all you wish, but if what you are teaching or helping others with is not being applied, then it's not going to work. The member's basic conclusion would be then that this is all a "farce".

 Those with the staying power, the ones that practice, the ones that frequent this site often and read the books, watch the videos, basically incorporate this into themselves period, are the ones that succeed. This isn't something you do, it's something you become!

 I know people get sick of seeing this statement over and over again, but it is true, "Change your mindset, you change your Reality"

 

That "purpose of physical universe" iz liable to personal perspective regardless of the intent of the "builders" of this reality. Or even if this physical Universe is part of an inherent structure of the Universe, the idea of it serving as a school is too abstract (akin to saying that the physical universe iz an "unlearning center"), because again how reality manifests to YOU is determined by your perspective/intent/.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2014, 13:06:41 »

Look at the most basic learning required to survive. Eating, we have to eat or we perish. This is given when young but this nurturing dissipates and youre on your own. Google is great for finding if a fungus is eatable or deadly but who found out originally? Someone must have learned...
This is the basic learning that has to occur to survive here.
In the NP this may not apply consistently. In the experiences where you are formless and the environment is light, your human mind is almost overloaded as trying to understand what's going on is so far outside of physical world learnings, it doesn't compute.
It shows that what you learn applies to each environment with some natural overlapping.

A conundrum appears as the more you learn the less you know.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2014, 20:41:03 »

This physical reality is doing great as a school environment.  There is a catch though, you have to choose to participate to grow.  Participation means interacting with other consciousness and learning to become more Loving, more caring.

It's entirely up to you how much or little you grow in this system.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 02:49:13 »

Look at the most basic learning required to survive. Eating, we have to eat or we perish. This is given when young but this nurturing dissipates and youre on your own. Google is great for finding if a fungus is eatable or deadly but who found out originally? Someone must have learned...
This is the basic learning that has to occur to survive here.
In the NP this may not apply consistently. In the experiences where you are formless and the environment is light, your human mind is almost overloaded as trying to understand what's going on is so far outside of physical world learnings, it doesn't compute.
It shows that what you learn applies to each environment with some natural overlapping.

A conundrum appears as the more you learn the less you know.
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Building up on da previous statements: "Conciousness itself, is separate from physical life as it appears to exist outside of any bio-system.". The physical reality thus looses it's relevance to any integral function of our existence in da universe. Thus.. The physical reality is not a "monolithic exception to individual human perspective", To those who view dis reality as a prison, u r correct, and so too are those who view dis reality as a school. It must be kept in mind da universally active force of 'duality'. If a fundamental universal school exists, then so too exists da exact opposite, Quite a horrifying prospect... Independent of that thought, People may not only choose to learn, but also un-learn. Heck, our reality iz all but wrapped around da "un-learning" of our true Godlike nature.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2014, 03:55:28 »

DarkHorizon,

Please tell me you are texting on a cellphone and that is the reason why you are butchering your words so badly. I am no SS-obersturmbannführer when it comes to grammar but you are making some really interesting comments but it is hard for me to get past the silly da, iz, dis, u r, and so on.

It's excusable if you are using a cell to text but then again, you are spelling some much bigger words with no problem. You come across as an intelligent individual so there really is no reason for you to be writing in such poor form.

Not to mention, I now look like an butt for mentioning it but it really is in poor taste. And please, by all means, continue to spell as you wish but I just had to get that off my chest.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2014, 04:28:09 »

This physical reality is doing great as a school environment.  There is a catch though, you have to choose to participate to grow.  Participation means interacting with other consciousness and learning to become more Loving, more caring.

It's entirely up to you how much or little you grow in this system.
"This physical reality is doing great as a school environment.", How great? Perhaps it could do better? Maybe someone believes it's doing a bad job? Out of these individual views, spring unique manifestations of reality to each person, so that the person who believes that the physical reality is doing a great job at schooling will observe people who are learning how to love, care etc. (positive things associated with your view of learning) But those who believe its doing a bad job will observe how people revert to hate, etc. (negative things associated with the other side of the coin.).

The environment is simply an environment, It can't be biased in itself in any respect because it will ultimately be relative to the observer. It serves no purpose other then what the observer gives it.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2014, 06:29:29 »

"This physical reality is doing great as a school environment.", How great? Perhaps it could do better? Maybe someone believes it's doing a bad job? Out of these individual views, spring unique manifestations of reality to each person, so that the person who believes that the physical reality is doing a great job at schooling will observe people who are learning how to love, care etc. (positive things associated with your view of learning) But those who believe its doing a bad job will observe how people revert to hate, etc. (negative things associated with the other side of the coin.).

The environment is simply an environment, It can't be biased in itself in any respect because it will ultimately be relative to the observer. It serves no purpose other then what the observer gives it.
That's pretty much what I said.  Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2014, 20:06:06 »

I understand the dilemma. It's all about perception. This is one massively underestimated concept, we only see as we do within our limits. What we see is a tiny part of the whole and this tiny part is biased by influences that we've met with during our short time within.
The physical is a chaotic, almost disorganized conglomeration of individual concious attitudes wherein some order has to enable it's constituent lifeforms to progress as if they were one.
Any major failiure would terminate the existance. War being one example we know of.
We may end our journey into a oneness with everything, I'm unsure of starting from this percieved singularity. If Darwin had any truth in his postulate, it may apply to this end. That opens another question of where our roots began. The physical existance could be a part of this entropic reductionism to oneness, however if we assume this as real, what was our state of existance before our present one or ones if reincarnation is a piece of the puzzle?
We may arrive here with our memory blanked out or there's always the possibility that the memory we have been given whilst physical is incapable of operating from a multiversal stance. This so limits our perception and to back this up we'd remember so little if anything from our previous existance. Also dream recall would be terrible as standard.
Does this begin to tie a few pieces together?
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