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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2012, 13:38:27 »

Define 'world peace'. A place where everyone is loving and caring for one another all the time? How can that happen in a reality where the needs of our bodies are our main concern? A beast will kill to serve its needs, and so will a lawless or impious man. One of the things that distinguishes men from beasts is our responsibility to be ethical, due to the understanding that there may be a greater purpose to our earthly existence, that maybe we're being observed, and our actions now will determine our destiny in this life and in the next one.

So, to answer your question, no, you can remove everything from the mortal world and you won't get peace, because this is a deficient type of existence, where senseless people struggle in vain against death by destroying one another.
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2012, 14:58:40 »

I don't usually say this often, but Zareste is correct.

There will never be world peace as long as religion exists.  There will never be world peace as long as people are "different" in some way.

It's not about bringing the world together.  It's about bringing yourself together.  You only have the power to change yourself... but through that, is the way to change the world.
If the entire world practiced positive Law of Attraction I think we could eventually have world peace
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2012, 15:32:52 »

It's not a 100% human error. Observe history. If you really believe in a metaphysical reality. Then you will realize some of it is human nature, and some of it isn't. "Deitys" or the entitys we perceive them to be put strange thoughts into peoples heads to begin with.
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2012, 16:33:44 »

If the entire world practiced positive Law of Attraction I think we could eventually have world peace

That would only work if everyone had the same intentions, but everyone would be trying to attract different things and where one person comes out on top, another falls. This world is about balance, not everyone having what they want. You have the bad so you can have the good. You have to take both in life. If everything in your life was perfect, you would create problems that didn't exist (like many people do).

Things just aren't so cut and dry. Perhaps everything is happening exactly the way it was supposed to and we're just complaining because it doesn't fit our ideal world. It would be nice to have a bigger picture to look at.
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2012, 16:55:54 »

The problem most worthy of being solved is that people wish for problem-free lives.

As for the rest, remember that how someone treats you is their karma; how you respond is your karma. A semblance of harmony on Earth might be attained if more people simply gave a moment's thought to the greater good before acting or reacting.
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2012, 19:19:01 »

Look at the pope and how he demonise spirituilty

I look at the Pope and I do not see him demonizing spirituality. Please back that bigotry and hate-speech up with something real. (But you won't... because it is not true)

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religious groups and the non-religious groups. Now have you not relized that the pope and others go to the goverment meetings to sort out things within the churches?

This is pure drivel (and bigotry). The government has a job to do and the Pope has a job to do and sometimes their jobs require cooperation. Groups working together is a natural inclination among humans since ancient times. Sometimes things work out well and sometimes not so well.

Big fish eat the little fish. The entire scheme of life on planet Earth is built on conflict and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.

Individuals who sit around pointing the finger of blame at outside organizations as the source of the world's problems are delusional. This is the first step in the Co-dependent blame game that enables and empowers these outside groups. This sort of 'victim mentality' is self destructive and those who wallow in this victim consciousness have ceded their responsibility to The World and walk away from their birthright to a Higher State of Consciousness.

The truly enlightened accept personal responsibility for their own lives and circumstances and get busy doing the HARD WORK of learning and growing in Consciousness and Awareness.

The stagnant and lazy sit around obsessing over Evil Corporations, Government, bad parents, old boyfriends, artificial sweeteners... on and on...
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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2012, 20:36:35 »

I look at the Pope and I do not see him demonizing spirituality. Please back that bigotry and hate-speech up with something real. (But you won't... because it is not true)

This is pure drivel (and bigotry). The government has a job to do and the Pope has a job to do and sometimes their jobs require cooperation. Groups working together is a natural inclination among humans since ancient times. Sometimes things work out well and sometimes not so well.

Big fish eat the little fish. The entire scheme of life on planet Earth is built on conflict and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.

Individuals who sit around pointing the finger of blame at outside organizations as the source of the world's problems are delusional. This is the first step in the Co-dependent blame game that enables and empowers these outside groups. This sort of 'victim mentality' is self destructive and those who wallow in this victim consciousness have ceded their responsibility to The World and walk away from their birthright to a Higher State of Consciousness.

The truly enlightened accept personal responsibility for their own lives and circumstances and get busy doing the HARD WORK of learning and growing in Consciousness and Awareness.

The stagnant and lazy sit around obsessing over Evil Corporations, Government, bad parents, old boyfriends, artificial sweeteners... on and on...


http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/film/story/2010/01/12/avatar-vatican.html

What really annoys me is the fact this old fart thinks he has the right to tell anyone anything... Don't get personal... He's is only human who thinks he has divine powers to tell people how to live and what to demonise

 8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.

9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.

11The greatest among you will be your servant. 

12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2012, 20:58:33 »

That would only work if everyone had the same intentions, but everyone would be trying to attract different things and where one person comes out on top, another falls. This world is about balance, not everyone having what they want. You have the bad so you can have the good. You have to take both in life. If everything in your life was perfect, you would create problems that didn't exist (like many people do)
Sorry, but I completely disagree with all this
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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2012, 21:55:39 »


http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/film/story/2010/01/12/avatar-vatican.html

What really annoys me is the fact this old fart thinks he has the right to tell anyone anything... Don't get personal... He's is only human who thinks he has divine powers to tell people how to live and what to demonise


None of the quotes you gave support your earlier claim about "the Pope ... demonizing spirituality". It is not getting personal to ask someone to back up their false claims. It is not personal to identify a bigoted statement as being a bigoted statement.
Your bogus claim now stands as proof of your dishonest position on this.
Note also that your insulting and disrespectful words say more about you than the man you try to denigrate.

It is not that the Pope "thinks he has the right to tell anyone anything" -- as leader of a very large and very ancient religious Tradition it is his responsibility to inform the faithful on those Traditions to the best of his ability. Someone has to do it. Otherwise it would cease to be an Ancient Tradition. I think he knows he is only human... probably more so than the arrogant deceivers who go around spreading Lies and bigoted hate-speech about that ancient Faith. (If these things were said about ANY other world religion there would be an uproar of indignation here. This is really unbelievable).

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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2012, 02:52:08 »

I think that link Karas posted makes her point perfectly.

Rudy, I think you just love to complain...  Smiley
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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2012, 04:54:05 »

 Once again the topic of Religion causing disagreements. That is the simple reason I decide to stay clear of it.  smiley
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2012, 10:28:52 »

Agreed,
The stirring of a hornets nest is very unwise...
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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2012, 13:54:23 »

Once again the topic of Religion causing disagreements. That is the simple reason I decide to stay clear of it.  smiley

Religion and politics brings out the worst in people
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2012, 14:37:05 »

Until everyone has resolved their karma, which might never come to pass, the world will always have both silly people and greedy people in it to do silly and greedy things.

I accept that some might consider this to be a religious viewpoint.  cool
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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2012, 16:45:35 »

Sorry, but I completely disagree with all this

Cool, but what exactly about it do you not agree with? I'm not trying to antagonize or be negative, but no one can learn anything without ideas being expressed.
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