dark magic

[Wizard of Light]

I agree that there is dark and light in everything, one cannot exist without the other.

Understand that EVERYTHING that one single person does, affects every other person in the universe.  We are energy, affecting the energy around us, which affects the energy around that which affects the energy around that, ect (you get the picture).  We do a lot without even realising the affect we are truly having.

So, we do need to understand magic as a whole, to have any concept of what we are sending out and what that in turn might do, and what that in turn might cause to happen to us on its return.  And believe me when I say it does return.  Energy is like a boomerang - it goes out there and does what it needs to and then returns with whatever that energy has attracted.  

As for "darker ritual" requiring more concentration, I ask you why?  Is it because when you stuff it up the effects are more noticeable because you have sent something malicious out there rather than something pleasant?  Both require equal concentration, we are just less likely to notice anything nasty happen to us if, for example, Sally gets our healing energy rather than Jessica!  

[monicat777]

Well you know you can send good out there and all is fine and well if you don't continue to stay focused.  You can just lose yourself in the realities of everyday life.

It's like having a good dog or a sinister monstrosity for a pet.  A good dog will lay down and behave and know when the day is done.

A sinister monstrosity will wait for you to fall into a deep sleep and then rip your face off.  You have to watch it and be mindful of it constantly, and be self-assured in who is boss.  Until you remove it from your presence.

[Wizard of Light]

I'm sorry but you can mess things around just by not staying focused for ANY kind of magic.  It is just that you can mess things around MORE when it comes to the "darker ritual".

You might think that it doesn't hurt for the lighter-type of magic to go off on the wrong direction because of a lack of concentration, but lets take my previous example, where Sally gets the healing rather than Jessica.  Sally might not be ready to face the issues that she has in her life.  Having these issues thrown in her face from the magic we have done, may cause her headaches, nightmares, depression, and if her stuff being thrust in front of her face is too bad for her to cope with, she may even get to a point where she commits suicide.  What kind of energy does that bring back to us??  

[monicat777]

I really don't follow....

Wisdom and experience is what matters.  
If you can't send someone positive, healing energy....without it coming back to bite you in the ass then IMO, don't quit your dayjob! LOL

[Wizard of Light]

Of course you can send someone positive magic, my point is that it still takes just as much concentration as any other type of magic.  We shouldn't just take an "it doesn't matter" type of attitude just because you class it as "white magic".  There is consequence to everything.

My example was, of course, an extreme one, but this is the type of responsibility we take on when we do any kind of energy work.

[Sophi]

3 days ago i was training with energy when suddenly i couldn't do anything i felt a deep darkness inside me and i have realized that its a black magic i found the sowers : it was a little boy that i don't know....  the feeling was very scary  all my energy has gone..... i don't know what that boy wanted from me but it was really hard to get rid of him maybe it's because a year ago i was training in black magic and a few month's ago i had a little deal with a demon (the deal is off now)
what I'm trying to say is................   don't mess with dark magic!!!

Nah, I think YOU shouldn't mess with dark magic. (:

[electronic pulse]

OMG I just can't believe that 20 people actually answered me thank you lol

[bloodsong]

Actually it seems that four people answered you, two of those got into a personal shouting match and blurred the topic instead of taking it into IM.

J.M.O.

Just My Opinion

Bloodsong

[Tara Star]

I agree completely. Sloppy magick of any kind is a bad idea.  It always takes concentration and knowing what you are doing to be effective, just like anything else in life, right?

I am afraid I don't buy the "there is no dark magick, it's like sharks" idea at all.

There is totally black and dark magick and it is all about using our free will to choose. A shark can't choose. It just is.  But we humans can and do. And for some reason people choose to align themselves with evil.

Black/Dark magick is a choice to stand up with the bad guys. You are consciously choosing evil, the dark side.  Dark magicians do this for their own gain, to get what they want, often at the cost to someone else without care of the effects. And that is well.... evil!

Not at all like a shark who is just at the top of the food chain.

As E. Pulse has observed the outcome always sucks. The thing about dark spirits is they always LIE.  (He is called the prince of lies after all) and due to the threefold rule (the energy that you send out comes back to three times. Cause and effect really.) you always, always get whacked. Really hard. With a big stick.

Meddling in magick when you don't know what you are doing, or don't really believe in it is a bad idea. Magick is powerful (On either side) and it's easy to get burned. I have seen, known and helped people recover from some really crazy things.  Like those who think conjuring demons would be "fun" cuz they don't really believe anything will happen and don't seem to get that demons are truly evil beings whose mission is to destroy humanity.

E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light. If you have written a contract you need to get it back and burn it. If you received the dark baptism and signed a contract, you are pretty much hosed unless you do.

Going really far in the other direction is the best idea. Become a born again something. get rebapstised into the light.  You need to practically join a monastery to recover from truly joining a black magic group. (It depends on how deep you got into it..)

And by all means give up all magick and occult activities until you have sorted yourself out.

Many of the charismatic christian groups do something called "deliverance ministry" to help with hard core demon removal and breaking contracts. Try the Pentecostals.  The only deal is you have to convert.  

The worst thing about this stuff is it has long lasting karmic implications and mess you up not only in this lifetime, but in all  your next ones too.

Please make sure that demon is really gone. Often they lurk in the back ground or go dormant only to pop up again if you continue your occult activities.

If you want to know more about demons, read Ed Warren's book, "The Demonologist"  (but watch out it, it's SCARY!) or Mcnutt's book "Deliverance from Evil Spirits."

Good luck and stay in the light!  It's nicer over here....

[electronic pulse]

E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light. If you have written a contract you need to get it back and burn it. If you received the dark baptism and signed a contract, you are pretty much hosed unless you do.

Going really far in the other direction is the best idea. Become a born again something. get rhapsodized into the light.  You need to practically join a monastery to recover from truly joining a black magic group. (It depends on how deep you got into it..)Please make sure that demon is really gone. Often they lurk in the back ground or go dormant only to pop up again if you continue your occult activities.Good luck and stay in the light!  It's nicer over here

don't worry i didn't get really far away with the black magic and the demon is 100% gone and I'm already in the lite side
but anyway thank you

[CaCoDeMoN]

and don't seem to get that demons are truly evil beings whose mission is to destroy humanity.

So why nearly all the demons I've summoned were nice and helpful? I guess that most problems with summonings are caused by people who are trying to abuse summoned spirits by commanding them and use abusive summoning methods.

E. Pulse, if you have really given it up, you should dedicate yourself to the light.

I think that dedication to the light is as bad as dedication to the darkness(as you call it). Can't the people just be dedicated to finding their own true joy, to finding true harmony and balance through spiriual evolution?
By dedicating yourself to whatever side you are joining a war, and every war has many causualties.

[Tara Star]

Seems to me like that is gray magic, everyone out for themselves. A. Crowley was a the founder of that school and he came to a very sticky end did Uncle Al.  "do what thou wilt...." was his motto.

Personally, I think "playing" with demons is is a lot like playing with a loaded gun.  I know that lesser demons are around in plenty and are easy to command, I just think that will come around to bite you some day. I have been around in the magickal worlds going on 20 years now and that is what I have seen over and over again.

Since this is a forum, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and experience and you will of course go on with life and magick in your own way....

But do yourself a favor and read Ed Warren's book "the demonologist" I would love to hear your opinion after you have....

[CaCoDeMoN]

But do yourself a favor and read Ed Warren's book "the demonologist" I would love to hear your opinion after you have....

I'd rather stay ignorant on the subject.

[electronic pulse]

I think that dedication to the light is as bad as dedication to the darkness(as you call it). Can't the people just be dedicated to finding their own true joy, to finding true harmony and balance through spiriual evolution?
By dedicating yourself to whatever side you are joining a war, and every war has many causualties.

 i think that what you said was relay true and right every person need to do what he feels that is true for himself

[Ridion]

By dedicating yourself to whatever side you are joining a war, and every war has many causualties.

Personally I believe that everyone is already in a war. The sides however, are not based on what type of energy or magick you use. I personally only feel comfortable using light energy and am solely interested in making sure I do what's best for people. I have made allegiances with darker people who are interested in the same thing.

You can be dark and do good, you can be light and do evil. The choice as to which you do is what's gona bite you in the bum, as it were. It's a good idea to know what dark magick can do, it's a good idea to know what light magick can do. But if you want to gain any power and follow through with what you see as being right... I suggest you do choose a path and stick to it, rather than dabble in this gray area.