How to create a thought-form entity.

[Nagual]

A "stupid" question: is it worth the energy spent...?

Another one: if you create by example a sword to chop a few negs... is it considered a thought-form?  If so, will there be a problem if you keep using it from times to times for a long time?

[oman34mi]

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf
The technique requires about 5 or 6 people.

Is it required that you create a thought form in a group?  Can you create a thought form on your own.  Obviously it may take longer, but is it possible.  It should be because everything you think about manifests in the astral, so it should bee possible that if you think about it enough it could develop the power to manifest in the physical, right?

Thanks,

oman34mi

[Gandalf]

Yes Nagual, it is worth the energy spent if you are using it to bring material wealth to yourself, which is one of the prime motives for creating powerful sentient thought forms.

They can bring you real material wealth, materialised in the form of cash or valuables. They can also show you where such things can be found. Added to that they can be used to control the minds of others. Every been frustrated at a job interview by the stubborness of the interviewer? Not any longer.

The mind control can be subtle, so the peoson doesnt even realise, or it can also be instructed to take overt control, ie a direct psychic attack, which will scare the sh*t out of the victim, even driving them to suicide if that is what is desired. This mode of attack is used against the magician's enemies.

As I said before, the above actions are considerd by many to be 'black magick' and I wouldnt personally advocate this, but it's fair to point out the potential uses of thought forms.

As for thought form objects, these are different. What we are talking about above is the creation of sentient thought forms entities, which is a whole other ball game.

oman34m
I think that to make a thought form entity of any real power, you need to get other people on board. Not that is impossible to do it your self, but it would take SO much more work and time, added to this, the power and abilities of the entity would only be a fraction of the being I describe, and its ability to manifest anything would be severly limited, a waste of time in my opinion.

As an added point, I know that some people will criticise the use of magickal practices for gaining material wealth, but many occultists regard it one of the most fundamental occult laws (at least regarding the western world), that in order to make progress in the spiritual world, it is first nececery to master the physical world.

There is a lot of truth in this. You dont have time or energy to explore the spiritual realms when you are slaving away for 12 hours a day or more in a sweat-shop, in addition to the feeling of depression it gives you. I know this as i have done it! People who deny this do so because they are in fact financially sound, although often they don't actually realise it.

Douglas

[Ekron]

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf

As an added point, I know that some people will criticise the use of magickal practices for gaining material wealth, but many occultists regard it one of the most fundamental occult laws (at least regarding the western world), that in order to make progress in the spiritual world, it is first nececery to master the physical world.

There is a lot of truth in this. You dont have time or energy to explore the spiritual realms when you are slaving away for 12 hours a day or more in a sweat-shop, in addition to the feeling of depression it gives you. I know this as i have done it! People who deny this do so because they are in fact financially sound, although often they don't actually realise it.

Douglas

Yes indeed......as I said in another post before we can really help others we must help ourselves. For if we are in a position of both spiritual and material strength we can give help on both planes. Eventually of course we will have no further need for any material gain this is then hopefully past onto our loved ones to help ease their burden on the physical plane likewise giving them a foundation on which to grow spiritually. Please note this is only one way, the easy way, some of us can grow spiritually without any material gain whatsoever.

[SoulDragon]

Man I would love a familiar but nobody would come help me because I'm well... me...[]
Anyway, a few questions: If anyone has done this themselves, then tell me, just so I know it's possible. Should I go on and finish my practice to be competent at telekinetic self-defense first? Just in case? Does this group have to be able to do other magic? And could this bieng be sentient enough to be say, a friend?[]

My life= Simple Plan's "I'm Just a Kid"[](The song)

[SoulDragon]

Sorry guys I was too bored to read it all. I'd like to change the question of is it possible with one person to if you can come up with a miraculous way to make them just as powerful tell me.

[TriCelticFive]

That is like on Buffy The Vampire Slayer.  Gyles did that is college or something like that and the entity was like a demon[}:)] possesing and killing people.

[Blackstream]

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Another one: if you create by example a sword to chop a few negs... is it considered a thought-form?  If so, will there be a problem if you keep using it from times to times for a long time?

A thought form yes, but with the programming to be non-sentient pretty much, but be a powerful fireball basically.  I don't know if non-sentient thought forms have a chance of breaking their programming or not, as I'm not too well-versed on the subject.  My guess would be no tho.

[Mystic Cloud]

Of course you can create by yourself your own thought-form
without other people.

The only thing is that it will take 'longer' because
you need to put the same amount of 'energy' to it.

Anyway there are LOTS of things you can do with
your own being. Sort of like a familiar helper that
is with you. Remember to treat it like you treat another
living being...

As Gandalf said, this is no TOY. If you think of it as a game,
then I might suggest that you leave the whole issue. Careful
planning is also half of the work here. Remember to plan
the attributes of it also.

[SoulDragon]

I'll have no problem traeting it (him in my case) like a human being. I used to say sorry to the other seat of the car because I chose a different one literally lol. Just out of curiosity, how long would it take by myself approximately and my other question still stands: should I brush up on my psionic skills before I create it?

[SoulDragon]

Oh yeah another idea if you wanted a sword  then why not make a thought-form and ask him to bring you one? That way you would have a sword and a companion[]. Just a thought.

[SoulDragon]

Unstable means very very angry right? Also, I wanted to know if this being is solid and can be posessed like a normal being. I hate coming up with extra questions right after I post... Sorry guys!

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by SoulDragon

Unstable means very very angry right? Also, I wanted to know if this being is solid and can be posessed like a normal being. I hate coming up with extra questions right after I post... Sorry guys!

Here you can edit the posts after you have posted, so
you may edit and add the other questions later []

Check at the buttons on top of the message.

[Tenken]

Uhh... I hope you realize all you're doing is calling a spirit (Or a "Neg", as the lingo seems to be) and telling it what form to take.

[Veccolo]

Not really. As I understood it, servitors are created by the magic(k)an/s and are programmed to do a certain task. They lose (or better: use) energy like every other being, this is why they are often programmed to get their energy from other things, like other people for example, so they don't "die" too soon. Plus it doesn't drain the magic(k)an this way.

The more energy it gets, the stronger and more independent it becomes, until they get to the stage of a god form.

On the other hand, you can summon every being you like (even cartoon and movie characters), as long as they exist as a thought form somewhere.

At least that's how I understood it.