URGENT HELP NEEDED!! I AM IN BIG TROUBLE!!

[personalreality]

Magic??



Explain...

I'll refer loosely to Arthur C. Clarke, the sci-fi author. 

One of his three laws is something to the effect of, any sufficiently advanced technology appears as magic.

That in mind, magic is a scientific/technological understanding of reality and how to manipulate it.  We, as ones who chase the mystery, are indeed aspiring magicians.  we seek to understand reality and how our perception interacts with it.  that's all magic is.  nothing supernatural about it.  it's just a technological understanding that "modern science" is either unaware of, or unable to acknowledge.  we are still systematic in the way we approach this stuff.  and the techniques are repeatable by other people with similar results.  of course, because of the nature of the topic (subjective as it is), the results won't be identical, but results are rarely identical, even in the most well designed experiment.  bottom line, magic is nothing more than an ability to use our will and intention to direct our attention in a manner that shows results in our reality.  astral projection then is the pinnacle because it requires the utmost control of attention in order to completely disassociate from the body and explore the otherworlds.  with proper training, AP is the most effective manner in which to manipulate physical reality.  it is literally a "graphic user interface" for the mind.  go into your mind, move things around, change some, remove others and your physical reality changes, beliefs are altered and reality moves in kind.

[Rudolph]

astral projection then is the pinnacle because it requires the utmost control of attention in order to completely disassociate from the body and explore the otherworlds.  with proper training, AP is the most effective manner in which to manipulate physical reality.  it is literally a "graphic user interface" for the mind.

This would be a great opener for a new thread. PR, I don't know how this is viewed here but this discussion seems to have drifted far off course.  Perhaps you could paste this last post of yours into a new thread and we can pick it up from there...?....

[personalreality]

done.

it's in the magic section.

[Summerlander]

Someone said:

"AP is the most effective manner in which to manipulate physical reality"

REALLY??

I am currently typing away on my keyboard and manipulating physical reality. If I wanted to, I could cause havoc by smashing my neighbour's face in, kick the butcher in the gonads, knock fences down, chop trees down and make them fall on vehicles...

Tell me...could I do all of this to the physical realm during an OOBE?

[Xanth]

I'd have to assume that they mean manipulating that which isn't easily seen in our material, physical reality.

Manipulating the data behind our reality.  I'm sure the member in question will correct me if I'm wrong. 

[personalreality]

lol.

you knew EXACTLY what was meant summerlander.

you just need to start sh*t whenever you can.

but yea, in the sense of like blowing stuff up with your mind.  lol!

kidding.

but seriously, when talking about making changes in the mind, ap is the most effective method.

i guess i should be more clear, but i guess i assumed that in a forum discussing META-physical phenomena, people would get what was meant by "manipulating reality".

my fault.

but you're not wrong in a strictly physical sense.

[questerr]

Personally, I don't believe in black Magic or curses. To believe in a curse is really about allowing outside influences to weaken your personal power. To hold onto the belief that you have been cursed may very well be an excuse for you not to acknowledge your personal responsibility in creating unpleasant life situations.

So, what do you really want? What is it that helps you create change when you are struggling and resistant to help? The reality is “You can’t help someone who is not willing”.

Turn your thoughts and conversations around to be more positive and power packed with hope, love and action.Don’t be afraid to believe that you can have the peace and love you want and deserve.

“Your worst enemy cannot harm you as much as your own unguarded thoughts.”
Watch your Thoughts, they become words.
Watch yourWords, they become actions.
Watch yourActions, they become habits.
Watch yourHabits, they become character.
Watch yourCharacter, for it becomes your Destiny.

I hope this helps

[personalreality]

Personally, I don't believe in black Magic or curses. To believe in a curse is really about allowing outside influences to weaken your personal power. To hold onto the belief that you have been cursed may very well be an excuse for you not to acknowledge your personal responsibility in creating unpleasant life situations.

Firstly, if someone actually believes that then they have no idea what magic is or what they're talking about.

Secondly, word up.  I call it victim consciousness and it is the plague of humanity.  Everyone constantly wants to feel like a victim to outside circumstances (to circumstances, genetics, energy, whatever) without ever taking personal responsibility for their situation.  I don't care what your excuse may be, anything that ever happens to anyone is a result of their actions, beliefs, thoughts, etc.  Whether people buy this or not is irrelevant, we all act like giant magnets, attracting what our subconscious puts out there.  Granted, we are often conditioned before we have an opportunity to dispute it, but nevertheless, we are still responsible, we are the ones that attract our lives, no one else.

That might sound a bit harsh, but nevertheless, I agree with you 100% questerr.

[TravelingBull]

Well... from experience, I have had evil people astral project to me! into black magic and such! for the most part protecting yourself and your family is quite easy! Though many may disagree the first thing that needs to happen is WHO IS THE SPIRITUAL HEAD in his house? if its him... then he can take spiritual control of his house for his family! Black magic wont work against a protection prayer or affirmation. I know it works because my visitors at night cant come anymore, after I took control of the house, claimed I was the spiritual head and shut down all areas of attack... of course its his father attacking him so he needs to sever ties with his father spiritually. You see, if his father is indeed the spiritual head of that domain he can cause havoc to those that live there! No matter if they fear or not! Loving isnt enough if your under his spiritual control... i could type for hrs on this topic... but be assured... YOU NEED TO TAKE DOMINION OF THAT HOUSE! if you need help PM me... I help countless individuals who have had the same problem of Black magic torment...
Hate to put it this way... but its kinda like a cat... that urinates in every corner claiming its his and if you come in your a$$ is mine... in the spiritual! Often after setting a protection... all black magic sent will fall on the sender if it has no where else to go! Then He would be tormenting himself! HAHAHAHAHAHAAH
I need to modify for clarity... lets look at the plagues of Egypt back when Moses was here... they put blood on the doorways to keep the plagues out! same concept! Now... it does not matter your religion!!!!!!!!!!! use a protection prayer... but first take responsibility of the spiritual head first!!!! or your wasting your time!

[Lexy]

well, he's got a point 

[Shrikrishna]

Hello everyone am back after a long time , .,.,, and thanks everyone for those replies , am back with some positive energy , hope you all can feel it , .......................ha! so now i would like to share with you my current life situation , my life is atleast much better than it was when i had posted my problems here ..... thanks to a local deity , yes you all heard it right , a local deity , the story is like this :
 me and my mother were searching for a permanent solution to our problems as you all know what it is , i won't be going through it again , so one day me and my mum were at the place of a spiritual master seeking the answers to our solution(we had an appointment with him)  , there was this one lady sitting on the chairs outside the cabin of the master , so we just had a brief chat with her and then my mum shared our story with the lady , and it felt like she already knew the only solution to our problem , she then took us to the home of another "lady" which i will call lady2 , so this lady2 is a lady who used to go in Trance , she still does it , and when she did a local deity(goddess) used to possess her body and she gave accurate answers to everyone's problems , she was so powerful that i could feel her aura nearly 200 meters away!!!!! her home is in a village near to our city(in the same state) when we(me and my mum) first met her , i felt true love , i almost broke down in tears , and my strong will power was almost melted , she poured out everything my father had done to us .... but she didnt promised anything , but she helped us a lot , she brought down the strong will of my father , she also told us that my father has been keeping ghosts around him for his protection , and she also told that he had directed two ghosts towards us ,  this was very shocking i got instant goosebumps , now i mean how can a person maintain ghosts around him for his proctection? "and that too absolutely under his control? """ is this really possible ??  i want to know the truth ......  she then chanted some mantras and gave us some kind of orange powder and told us that it should be kept in our palm and should be blown away in his name (anyone knows what happens by doing this?) and we did this process almost 8 times not everyday but in between 7-8 months and then one day my mum heard my father saying to his lawyer that its getting tough for him , he said he feels like his energy is draining and all , and he cant take it anymore , during last year after this process we did , he was coming at 8am to open his shop , instead of coming at 6.00am his regular time , he was tired we could , suddenly in one year everything changed , this lady2 changed my whole life .... i got good people's company and now everything is on track , it hardly gets off the track sometimes , my life might have all happiness i need but it certainly does the mental peace which i was missing for quiet a long time , now that i have the positive mental attitude i feel i can do anything that i want , our father is still cursing and is hexing us but that doesnt seem to make much difference to us like it did years before ......... i really don't know how to thank this lady2 ....

[Shrikrishna]

""where there is a will, there is a way"" my father is still doing his black magic on us , but i dont give him a excrement , now my question to you all is this: what would have happened if i had astral projected to him when he had these ghosts near his body protecting him 24/7 ,,,,,i would have been dead!!!!!!( thank god i didnt do it) during this time he did visited temple , then how come these ghosts didnt get scared secondly his native place where he is residing for the past 8 years is very close to his temple , almost 20 meters away from the temple is his room then how come those ghosts stayed with him for so long?? these two questions are really needed to be think about ....... i want to tell you all that he is using the Islamic Black Magic very much to do these things , a month ago he had thrown some threads and a silver colored tube , they were like a pendant , and there were two of these wrapped in a 2x2 inch white color cloth ,were thrown near my window, my mum opened it and she was then ill for two days , she had fever and cold then she got ok , today he had thrown a white paper with my name written on it -inside our compound wall, i don't know what it was for but i didnt touch it , instead we burned it outside our compound , our fight still goes on for a better tomorrow, and Since we are on the path of truth , we are not giving up , hoping to live life fully one day ,

[Lionheart]

 Kharma will always catch up to you sooner or later. It seems it has caught up to him and now it's his turn to "pay the piper". The only thing is he gets it back 3 Fold. I hope you are not paying this Lady2, for I feel you are being taken for a ride. All you need is a white sphere of light around you, no magic can penetrate that if you believe. Light can always brighten a dark room, but dark can't influence the light at all unless there is no light to begin with.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels!  

[Shrikrishna]

i want to ask you all a very serious question , you people believe that you get back 3 fold everything bad that you do to others in black magic ,then after so many years of cursing , hexing , and killing others using black magic how he had still survived , he has not got any cancer , he is doing so many bad deeds to us and to anyone who is his enemy , he has been doing like this for years , sometimes i wonder when he is going to get back all these things , when the law of karma is going to apply to his life , and most important of all what would be his future?      am sure he is going to have a very dangerous death , probably his body is going to take up a disease that will be never curable and even heard of by anyone anywhere on this planet, many people say that he is going to die a very slow death(where he will beg that he wants to die),  i dont know whether its true or false , what you people think ? 

[Shrikrishna]

Kharma will always catch up to you sooner or later. It seems it has caught up to him and now it's his turn to "pay the piper". The only thing is he gets it back 3 Fold. I hope you are not paying this Lady2, for I feel you are being taken for a ride. All you need is a white sphere of light around you, no magic can penetrate that if you believe. Light can always brighten a dark room, but dark can't influence the light at all unless there is no light to begin with.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels!  

yes , we worked with her for free , we didnt pay her anything , and please dont say anything to her not because that she might harm you( i dont mean to offend you) but she is being worshipped by many in India , she has many temples in one state ,.,.,.,.... many people worship her , so definitely she cannot be fake , if she really wanted money she would have tricked us , as simple as that , but please answer my questions also that are in the previous post , thanks a lot for the reply .....