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« on: February 04, 2010, 12:49:18 »

Hello peeps.
First of all about me. My name is David, i'm 29 years old and live in England. I have recently gone back to university to study biology after giving up my job of 8 years. I have had 3 experiences throughout my life that I believe are linked to OBE's and have ultimately led me here. My intent is to ascertain the validity and the truth of some of the (lets face it) rather fantastical claims made by verious people on various sites. Let me begin by stating that I am COMPLETELY open minded to ANY possibility. I feel I should also state that it is not my intention to have anyone prove the truth of astral travel to the world at large (although that would be my goal and aim should someone ADEQUATELY prove it to me)

I am not asking anyone to submit themselves to medical science or get strapped to a table in the lab or anything so tasteless and vulgar. What I propose is quite simple (if we take the claims of many on these sites to be true) and i fail to see why it has not already been done.

My challenge then. If you are reading this and can astral travel at will then PM me. I will give you my home address (slightly risky you may think but on the physical plane at least I am more than capable of looking after myself wink) We will arrange a date and a time. On said date and time you will project into my bedroom and tell me something specific (to be decided, it could be as simple as what posters do I have on my wall) You will then PM me again and tell me the information we have agreed on. If you can do this then that is all the proof I require. You will have my eternal friendship and gratitude. (although anybody who has taken the time out of their busy life to read this post has that too)

If you cannot AT at will then please do not just skip this post by. Pass it on to someone who can, or tell a friend about it and ask them to pass the message on. Please, please, please!! the more people that read this post the more likely I am to find a kindly soul willing to work with me on this endeavour. If you do one kind thing today then help me to circulate this thread or direct me to where I might I might recieve more help.

I must be honest and say that I am not expecting much of a response to this post and certainly not expecting anyone to take up my challenge, however I am prepared for you to pleasantly surprise me.

Just for those of you who think that I have no faith in this let me re-state. I personally have experienced 3 events in my life that as of yet escape a logical explanation. It very much felt like i was 'out of my body'. I would be more then happy to discuss these events in more detail with anyone intrested. However I cannot consciously and deliberately re-create the experience, though I continue to try.

So for me the jury is still out. My own experience may well have been a result of synapses mis-firing in my brain. Or a result of the gas the dentist gave me when I was 9 years old. The only first hand evidence that I have to support astral travel is this; When I was 21 i was trying to induce an OBE and entered what I think was the vibrational state that is so often talked about. It scared me out of my wits and I haven't tried again since until very recently.

Thankyou ever so much for taking the time to read this post. Whether astral travel and OBE's are true or not, whether you decide to help me or not I love you all dearly. If there is anything I can do to help anyone with their own enquiries just give me a shout. Keep smiling and have a fantastic day.

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 14:27:46 »

So, you're looking for "absolute proof" of OBE's... you're going to be looking for a very long time.
The only proof you need is the proof you can provide on your own, to yourself.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 14:53:59 »

Why is this so? If you told me you could lift 1000 lbs with your little finger would you reasonably expect me to believe you without a demonstration? I wouldn't think so. People are claiming they can seperate from their bodies fly around their neighbourhoods (or the world, or even the moon in some cases). People are claiming they can stick their etheric heads through walls and see what their neighbours are doing etc. So show me. Come and stick your head through my bedroom wall. Tell me what colour wall paper I have. It certainly isn't unreasonable to ask for a demonstration.

Let's try another approach then. Tell me why this can not be done. Lets start there.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 15:10:35 »

I can give you a link to a past experiment that was similar to what you are proposing.
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=57803

The thing that you have to realize (which is why it's better for you to learn to do it and experience it for yourself) is that projection is not 'push a button and you're out', and then go somewhere and see something.
There are many variables in projection- the ability to do it when you want to- I don't know any projector that can do this.  Most of us who are experienced can do it a certain percentage of the time, and you can end up going to a 'real' physical location, but you can also end up in an astral plane that is entirely conceptual, or any other dream scenario.
Then there is the matter of 'going where you're supposed to'.  It took me weeks to go see my grandmother when she was sick, and many tries where I would get lost in transit (mainly because I had to cross the ocean).  The only reason that I know I went to see her actually was because of what my family members told me after the fact, validating that it wasn't just a 'fancy' dream born out of wish-fulfillment.

The best thing to do when wishing to know what the 'objective' reality of a subject such as AP, is to study it intensely, learn what people report about it, and what difficulties they have with it, and learn to do it for yourself.  You may discover things that you hadn't read anywhere, but you also will know what can be expected of the experience.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 15:16:35 »

Instead of proving that people can separate from their bodies and fly around the universe, perhaps you should start with a smaller goal, such as feeling energy for yourself. When you begin to feel and sense energy you begin to realize that you are energy and the possibility of random synapses mis-firing in your brain becomes less likely.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2010, 17:03:36 »

Welcome to the Astral Pulse David!

All I have to add is, that no matter what someone else does or tells you, even if this experiment works, it's still only going to be a faith-based belief until you prove it for yourself.

My personal goal is to get as many people to prove it to themselves without having to believe what others say. Even if it's not "real", the experience of it is and it's pretty darn amazing.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 18:21:24 »

Why is this so? If you told me you could lift 1000 lbs with your little finger would you reasonably expect me to believe you without a demonstration? I wouldn't think so. People are claiming they can seperate from their bodies fly around their neighbourhoods (or the world, or even the moon in some cases). People are claiming they can stick their etheric heads through walls and see what their neighbours are doing etc. So show me. Come and stick your head through my bedroom wall. Tell me what colour wall paper I have. It certainly isn't unreasonable to ask for a demonstration.

Let's try another approach then. Tell me why this can not be done. Lets start there.
Because nobody who can AP (and there aren't many who can do it "at will", like you want) is ever going to provide enough proof to "convince" a skeptic.
As they've said, you really need to experience it yourself to believe it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 18:27:56 »

Thanks for all your comments guys.
@ Stookie. Thanks for the kind welcome buddy. But don't you see? If someone from across the other side of the world could tell me what colour wall paper I have on my bed-room wall then it wouldn't be faith based at all. That is pretty empirical. Each of us are entitled to our own beliefs/opinions. I respect that MASSIVELY. My opinion is that blind faith is dangerous and leads to ignorance. Without going into a history lecture i can think of dozens of examples. Following in the footsteps of the great T Huxley i'm agnostic and demand empirical evidence before I accept anything as fact.

If this evidence has to come from my own personal experience then so be it. I am completely serious about my investigations into this phenomena and will continue every day with my studies and practices. However there is no telling how long it is going to take me (if at all) to experience this as a direct result of my efforts.

The methods I outlined in my original post would (had someone accepted and succeeded at the challenge) would have been more than acceptable to me as proof. It would also have been much quicker then waiting for my own experience and would have served to greatly inspire me and propel me forward in my studies.

As it happens it would seem I am left to prove this or not to myself

@Kurt. Care to tell me what I can do to feel this energy? As I said before I am completely open and will honestly and enthusiastically try any methods/techniques suggested and report my experiences here.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 18:35:23 »

@Xanth. You are simply wrong. I have told you what would qualify for me as proof. And given some of the claims I have read it doesn't seem at all complicated. Just tell me what colour wall paper I have. Just because i am scientifically minded does not mean I have a closed mind. I am open to any and all evidence. The important thing here is that anecdote and evidence are not the same thing.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 18:51:01 »

@Xanth. You are simply wrong. I have told you what would qualify for me as proof. And given some of the claims I have read it doesn't seem at all complicated. Just tell me what colour wall paper I have. Just because i am scientifically minded does not mean I have a closed mind. I am open to any and all evidence. The important thing here is that anecdote and evidence are not the same thing.
I'll accept that I may be wrong in that assumption... but I've seen it time and time again, and what ends up happening is that the skeptic keeps changing what he'll accept as "Proof".

So meh...

As we've said, it's really something you have to prove to yourself, not the other way around.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 19:03:36 »

@Kurt. Care to tell me what I can do to feel this energy? As I said before I am completely open and will honestly and enthusiastically try any methods/techniques suggested and report my experiences here.

I enjoy showing people that we are more than just our physical bodies. I have been helping people to 'feel' this energy that connects us all together. Sometimes I can over do it though...

It helps when someone can show you to feel the energy, then you know that it's there. If you would like me to give you a demonstration all I would need is what city / town you live in (and your name). Then I astral project to your location and raise my energy level near you. You'll feel a heavy tingling feeling on whichever primary energy center / body part I target.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2010, 19:18:59 »

@Xanth. I don't change the goalposts and i'm not even a skeptic. I believe that there is something to all this. I'm just trying to work out the specifics. I have after all have had SOME personal experience as I have said.

@Kurt. This is more like it thankyou very much indeed for such a kind offer. Go for it . I live in Kingston Upon Hull. England. UK (just called hull by the people who live here) its on the north east coast. When can I expect this to happen?
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2010, 19:26:51 »

@Kurt. This is more like it thankyou very much indeed for such a kind offer. Go for it . I live in Kingston Upon Hull. England. UK (just called hull by the people who live here) its on the north east coast. When can I expect this to happen?

Whenever you want, I can travel at the speed of thought!  grin

Do you live near Queen's Garden or the Hull College? Any monuments or famous spots would help me out.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2010, 20:28:09 »

Just tell me what colour wall paper I have.

I wish I was more advanced in my projecting abilities, because I like this challenge. But I will keep it in mind.
And welcome to the forum, nice to meet you.
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2010, 21:08:57 »

@Timandra. Thankyou for the warm welcome. Nice to meet you too.

@Kurt. I live just a 5 minute walk from pearson park. Quite a large park, can't eally miss it. I'm intrested tho, having never met me and not knowing what I look like or anything how will you know it is me? If time is not an issue for you then i suggest 10 o clock this evening. However i'm aware you have a life to live so if this is not a good time for you then just let me know when is convienient. Well excited.  grin
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2010, 21:17:14 »

@Kurt. I live just a 5 minute walk from pearson park. Quite a large park, can't eally miss it. I'm intrested tho, having never met me and not knowing what I look like or anything how will you know it is me? If time is not an issue for you then i suggest 10 o clock this evening. However i'm aware you have a life to live so if this is not a good time for you then just let me know when is convienient. Well excited.  grin

On the 4th and 5th density levels (where you higher self resides) I am able to communicate with him / you. While out of body, I will go near pearson park in Kingston Upon Hull, England, UK and then call out your name several times. When he responds I will move in on your location and then begin to raise my energy, which in turn will raise your energy.

What time is it where you are right now?
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2010, 21:37:23 »

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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2010, 21:58:36 »

Get ready, I'll be over in 15 minutes.

Never been to the UK before!  grin
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2010, 23:25:45 »

Ok. first of all no specific tingling feeling. However did start to feel very very warm. Was kinda hoping for some kind of unignorable tingling sensation. My head, neck and belly did feel very very warm (and I was in quite a cold room) However what made me grin from ear to ear was the fact that my right arm went completely numb below the elbow. I mean completely numb. Like someone was sat on it. Very cool and very interesting. Thankyou so much kurt.

(just edited, had a little bit of a problem with my left and right haha. It was my right arm not my left. sorry)
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2010, 23:38:03 »

This astral projection stuff is pretty easy!  cheesy

I guess the next step is to learn how to levitate and move objects with my mind!  grin
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 00:08:29 »

Would you be intrested in doing this again with me kurt? I have a feeling you're gonna be hearing quite a lot from me haha. Although i'm not trying to deny for a second what I felt this does to my mind warrant further investigation. For example  it would have been more impressive had you not told me what to expect before hand. Telling me what I was going to feel before it happened may have influenced me(I can't rule out the possibility that my brain gave me the sensations, knowing what to expect). Do you understand what I mean? i'm sorry if i'm coming across as negative (i'm really not) I just hope you understand the importance of being thorough.

Also i'd be intrested to hear anything at all that you may have learned about me. Anything at all. An impression a feeling, a thought. I'd just like as detailed as possible an explanation of what the experience was like for you. If it's not too much trouble? grin

On a plus note I am REALLY enthused by this and hope to be be able to meet you out on the astral one day to say thankyou in person (or spirit, or whatever haha). Now that would be cool.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 00:18:48 »

I didn't really meditate long enough to get an 'impression' or feeling from you. It takes me about 15 minutes to project to a target but quite a bit longer (60 - 90 mins) to begin to 'feel' and 'see' everything that's around me when I arrive at the target.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, do you think there might be something to all this astral projection stuff after all?  grin
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 00:44:51 »

I'm pretty certain there is as a matter of fact. Let me tell you about my experiences to date.

1. 9 years old. Went to the dentist for a tooth pulling. Was anaesthetised with gas (think it was n2o but not certain) and I swear I floated right up to the ceiling til my nose was touching it then calmly floated back down to my body.

2. 20 years old. Working as a football coach in primary schools in Guyana South America. Took a holiday for a couple of weeks. Trekked through the jungle for 5 days to get to the top of Kaiteur Falls (google it. It is AWESOME) Drank too much rum fell over and banged my head hard on a wooden floor. Everything went black. I thought i'd killed myself, I remember thinking oh no i'm dead, oh no i'm dead. Then realised I still had my internal monologue. Started thinking well if this is dying it aint so bad. Got excited and started swooshing around where-ever I wanted. Left, right up down it was brilliant. Still had my sense of humour, my goals dreams and fears. Was still me. Just couldn't see a bloody thing. It was pitch black. Eventually woke back up in my body, had the best nights sleep i've ever had and felt like i'd been born again the next morning. This experience leads me neatly to number 3.

3. 21 years old. After what happened to me in South America started really looking into this with gusto. Was determined to do this deliberately and consciously. Laid on my back on my bed one day trying to AP. All of a sudden I couldn't move a muscle and every single cell in my body felt like it was vibrating violently. Also had a lound buzzing noise in my ears. I mean really, really intense. Scared me out of my mind and i stopped it.

The last 8 years i've been busy working and got caught  up with the daily grind. Always kept thinking back to those 3 events tho and here I am now. Determined to beat my fears of the unknown and really go for this. Any help any of you can give me along the way would be MASSIVELY appreciated.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2010, 00:51:30 »

If any of you have googled Kaiteur falls and are wondering where the wooden floor was, I assure you there is a wooden guest house up there  grin

Also here are the problems i'm having at the moment with trying to AP.

1. Every time I get comfortable I get an intense itch somewhere completey random that I just can't ignore.

2. On the rare occasions that i don't get itchy, i relax deeply but my eye-lids start to flutter un-controllably. So frustrating I could scream

Could stay up all night chatting about this but gonna hit the sack now and see waht the night brings. wink Night all. I'll be straight back on in the morning.
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2010, 11:57:47 »

Get ready, I'll be over in 15 minutes.

Never been to the UK before!  grin

 cheesy cheesy I want to be able to do that!

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Also i'd be intrested to hear anything at all that you may have learned about me. Anything at all. An impression a feeling, a thought.

the colour of the wallpaper....  grin
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