Goodbye, all

[Rudolph]

rudolph might have been stating facts or whatever, and CFT might get defensive sometimes, but to be honest rudolph has started plenty of crap around here and CFT usually just tries to help.  but whatever.  i have no idea what this about and i don't really care.  rudy, i'm not attacking, just stating some facts i've observed over the time i've known you on the pulse, so don't take offense please

Hi Personalreality and welcome back.
Just for the record, I generally do not start the "crap". It appears that way to those who are used to just letting destructive and false political rhetoric or blatant anti-Catholic lies, bigotry and hate-speech go unchallenged.
It was quite a shock for those so used to seeing such negative dialogue go unchallenged for so long to suddenly see someone actually have the guts to stand up and say, "wait a minute... that's not true". Even worse, having the the temerity to present facts to back it up! as well! - what an ingrate!

So now,someone stands up and falsely points the accusing finger at me in a very loud and personal way and makes a dark, insulting false accusation against me over an imagined misinterpretation of something I never came close to saying (which it appears most admit, so far) sprinkled liberally with more misinformation and disinformation...
and now *I* am the bad guy for standing up and defending myself against a bald faced lie?!

what the frik is going on here?!

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[personalreality]

are you serious?

this is a place for people to share opinions and beliefs.  there are no such things as wrong opinions or wrong beliefs.  look at my screen name, PERSONAL REALITY.  that's the only truth there is, your one personal subjective reality.  you come here and believe you are teaching these people, these people who are just seeking their own truth, what the truth really is.  i don't argue with your truth because it is your truth.  but you have no compassion.  you are a brute.  your tactics are no better than a fascist, telling others that they are miserable creatures.  you are free to share your beliefs, but you lack respect and honor for the freedom others have to their beliefs.  who cares if they don't know the statistics.  statistics aren't facts, they are relationships.  but you neglect that key word, relationship.  we are all humans trying to answer the call in the back of our minds screaming that there is something more to this reality than the numbers.  you ignore that in the pursuit of your personal power, which is the easiest trap to succumb to on this journey.

how dare you speak of what's right and wrong.  who the f are you do make such declarations?  you're just as blind as the people you want to save.  only their blindness is something they are striving to overcome, to see the truth of their own life.  you are the worst kind of sheep.  you have learned your beliefs and are unwilling to look inside and consider what else is there.  the universe is not only bigger than you imagine, it's bigger than you can imagine.  take a look in the mirror and realize that you want to know yourself as much as we do, otherwise you wouldn't be here.  unless of course you're just a disinformation troll, maybe cia sent here to stop the impending spiritual awakening of good people.  there is only one truth that i've come to learn to be real and that truth is life.  your life is your's and your's alone.  no one can rule you.  i've been gone for a year and when i come back what do i find?  that rudolph is still involved in all the trouble.  i won't say you start things, yet somehow you're always involved.  to be honest, i don't know why moderation has let you stay here this long. 

take your self-righteousness, your facts, your tyranny and really look at who you are.  you're a beautifully passionate person and i respect that, but you don't respect anyone or anything but your learned beliefs.  just don't be a jerk about it.  that's all there is too it.  show some fricken empathy sometimes.

[Ident]

What the futz is an imagined misinterpretation?

Please let it drop, Rudolph. You've made your points and I, for one, would struggle to find myself caring less whether they are true. Most of us are here to lament the loss of CTF, not run a post-mortem on her comments or final disagreement.

[Rudolph]

are you serious?
this is a place for people to share opinions and beliefs.   i've been gone for a year and when i come back what do i find?  that rudolph is still involved in all the trouble.  i won't say you start things, yet somehow you're always involved.  to be honest, i don't know why moderation has let you stay here this long. 

take your self-righteousness, your facts, your tyranny and really look at who you are.  you're a beautifully passionate person and i respect that, but you don't respect anyone or anything but your learned beliefs.  just don't be a jerk about it.  that's all there is too it.  show some fricken empathy sometimes.

PR, I have never given anyone grief over an opinion or a belief.

I do correct destructive lies, bigotry and hate-speech (how many times do I have to say it?)
I do often correct just plain flat out wrong claims on the order of 2+2=5 {that really is wrong - not everything is a matter of opinion} especially when the claim is made to justify stealing from me.

I respect all here way more than you and many others here respect me and my right to my differing opinion as well as my right to correct the lies of bigotry and hate speech toward my family religion, with facts. (Yes, there really is such a thing as facts -- this bogus idea about "my truth may not be your truth" was made up by people who don't like it when their deceptions and deep denial fantasies are revealed, imho

What sort of "fricken empathy" am I supposed to show someone who quits a Forum in a huff over an imagined insult that never happened?... and made a lying insult toward me on the way out the door?

I realize that person may have been here much longer than I have but, does that diminish her requirement to follow Forum Rules while establishing new and even more restricting ones for me? (double secret probation?).

I do understand that my modus operandi is particularly nauseating to the more naturally deceptive sorts of extreme Leftists and anti-Catholic bigots... I can live with that. But apparently many among those ranks can't live with a traditional Conservative around. They can't stand being in the same room with one. The discomfort at knowing that their regular habit of spouting certain types of disinformation might be challenged and disrupted is just too upsetting for them.

There is a big lesson for extreme Leftists and anti-Catholic bigots here. Can they learn how to be tolerant toward someone who disagrees with them politically and corrects errors of FACT now and then? Is it okay for someone to disagree and supply facts on why they disagree? Or are you the type who must blow a gasket and complain to the moderators because someone had the audacity to disagree with you?

Can you learn how to handle disagreement in mature fashion and coolly confront compelling justification for a different conclusion?

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[NoY]

I blame Hitler

[Rudolph]

What the futz is an imagined misinterpretation?

Please let it drop, Rudolph. You've made your points and I, for one, would struggle to find myself caring less whether they are true. Most of us are here to lament the loss of CTF, not run a post-mortem on her comments or final disagreement.

Hi Ident, the "imagined misinterpretation" would be the exact quote I provided indicating the insulting insinuation about, "he has even stated that people he doesn't agree with (i.e. whoever he has labeled Democrat or 'Left') 'are to be destroyed'.". (I was speaking about the Democrat Party - along with the Libertarian Party vs Republican Party two party system that would remain)... and also her misunderstanding about, "Rudolph spoke to me like a child, scolded me and then proceeded to  give figures that are not factual to where I live". [NOTHING like that happened... not even close].

I would be happy to let this drop if folks would stop bringing up points that I am inclined to reply to.

I can understand you not caring less. And I have not suggested you should care one way or the other. But you were not the one she openly attacked and insulted on the way out the door so that is understandable.
And I am replying here because you directly put a question to me.

You know... she could have have quietly exited with PM's to her friends and all could grieve similarly in PMs... but no... She was the one who made a big melodramatic show out of it.

[Stillwater]

Rudolph, the issue here is no longer left/right, politics in general, or what is tolerated in which societies. I have been trying to get through the concept that this has escalated into a situation that is more about respecting other's as people. The discussion we were having was appropriate in the countdown thread (yes, I know that one is now closed). It is not appropriate here- the topic was CFT's resignation. It is not decorous to maintain the same direction of thoughts after CFT bowed out of the arguement and said she was too upset to continue.

Was she wrong, was she right? That is beside the point right now. You have to know when it is time to stop. I am mostly ok with your arguments, but there is a time for everything.

This is not about me defending a leftist or a bigot, or someone who disrespected you. This is me asking you to stop when it is sensible to do so.

[Rudolph]

It is not decorous to maintain the same direction of thoughts after CFT bowed out of the arguement and said she was too upset to continue.

Was she wrong, was she right? That is beside the point right now. You have to know when it is time to stop. I am mostly ok with your arguments, but there is a time for everything.

This is not about me defending a leftist or a bigot, or someone who disrespected you. This is me asking you to stop when it is sensible to do so.

Then, as moderator, perhaps you could acknowledge my valid observations about her choices about the manner in which she exited.
It is NOT REASONABLE to expect me to just take that stream of falsehoods from her to and about me on the way out the door. Ohhhh, the poor thing.... "she was too upset to continue" after she rolled a few grenades into a public room and then bolted for the exits. That is so lame. I already explained this. She could have kept it private but she made it very public and very MELODRAMATIC.

Also, please keep this in perspective, I have not been replying to CFT points but to PR, Ident, Supermanny...
Just as a matter of courtesy.

Just stop hitting me with questions about the matter or making one-sided observations about the whole thing and I will stop replying. It is that simple.

[zareste]

So she was disposable?

[Xanth]

This is over... in more ways than one.

Sorry Stillwater, but I have to post this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI
Because it kind of fits the situation nicely and I think we need a little levity here. 

[personalreality]

who gives a crap about your family religion or political views?

this crap is the reason that our world is the piece of crap it is.  because people like you know you're right and the other guy is wrong. 

mods, do what you have to do, but i have to say it.

Edit: While a lot of us here probably share those sentiments, I can't really allow them to be posted.  Sorry.  I think everyone can kinda guess the content anyway.    ~Xanth

[Xanth]

Rudy has been dealt with. 
The polite way to put it is that he's been asked to leave.
Let's move on from this and continue to share our experiences in a more positive environment.

Now, how about we all share our Love for CFTraveler!  Perhaps we can lure her back here if she feels it!! 

C'mon everyone!!

CFT!!!  Please come back... it won't be the same here without you. 

Oh and PR, grats on your 3k posts... four posts ago.  ^_^

[personalreality]

you suck ryan.  

i don't remember what i wrote now, i wanted to at least pm him.

hitler.  

oh, and thanks.  3000 is a lot.

CFT, come back if you want.  Don't if you don't.  It's up to you.  Do what you do.

[personalreality]

also, i wish we still had the thumbs up/down thing (i don't remember what we called it), because if we did, NoY, you'd get a thumb up from me.   

[zareste]

hope you're not talking about Xanth's beloved karma system