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« on: July 21, 2015, 03:03:48 »

Hello!

I'm so glad I found this site! Smiley I've been trying to achieve an out of body experience for quite a long time now but it didn't happen yet. I've got six books about OOBE at home, two of them from Wiliam Buhlman, one of Robert Peterson, another one of Thomas Karlsson and finally two of Robert A. Monroe (I'm currently reading "Journeys Out of The Body" and I haven't read the other book of Monroe so far, but I'm totally into Monroes way of talking about these experiences).

Right now I'm listening to the video of Tom Campbell which was linked in the information thread for new members, but I just started it and I hope that the following part of my introduction doesn't seem too silly after having watched the entire video of Tom Campbell Cheesy

So as to describe my current progress in OOBE I'll explain you a little bit about what I'm doing and where I failed so far:
Latley I've been trying to induce an OOBE almost every night. I relax and I can also feel these kind of waves going trough my body but I'm not sure whether these waves have something to do with an OOBE or not because I can also "call" them while I'm awake and feel them just as intense. They normally last only a short period, going from my head down to my feet and then I have to "call" them again. I'm afraid this is not how these waves should act like.

I know it would be better to try inducing an OOBE after some sleep (preferably after waking up in a REM-phase, no?) and I also did this several times but maybe I just have to practice more using an alarm clock to wake me up during the night.

So and finally I just noticed that I haven't said anything else about me so far Cheesy I'm 20 years old and I'm from Switzerland. I'm a certified hypnotherapist and in less than two months I will start my studies in computer science at a local university. I'm very pleased to be here Smiley And sorry if I made some mistakes in this post but I think I have to refresh my english vocabulary and grammar rules Tongue

Thank you for reading!

P.S.: I'm also into lucid dreamings but had just three lucid dreams so far. I'm sure there will be more but at the moment I'm just too interested in OOBEs to concentrate on both things Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 08:36:59 »

Welcome to the Pulse!

I can't speak to the Karlsson book, but the others you should find enjoyable and valuable. Regarding the Monroe books, they are rewarding reads but short on techniques because Monroe was such an amazing and natural talent that he was never really forced to try variations to what worked for him, very simply and automatically. The vast majority of the rest of us have to do some experimenting with various techniques to find what works for each of us. Interestingly, in the later sections of Monroe's first book you will find a description that resembles your description of "calling" the waves and having them move from head to foot and back again. This may be a precursor to or actually be what some of us experience as the Vibrations. Either way, I think this is a very good sign that you are making progress.

A word about progress; you may find your progress slower than you expected so don't get frustrated; there may be certain subconscious actions going on such as asking yourself permission to do this and granting yourself permission to do this. Also, there are subtle, Non-Physical senses that need to be developed in order to comprehend the sensations you are encountering. Your hypnotherapy training can benefit you greatly here; check out the process of Affirmations and how they can be put to use to communicate your desires for an OBE to your subconscious.

If you are already experiencing Lucid Dreams then understand that these are forms of OBEs. It may be your personal dream environment but this still qualifies, the key is the degree of consciousness that you learn to develop. Eventually you can decide to move outward from that personal dreamspace.

Hope that gives some ideas.

And your english is better than most here in the States! grin
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 08:36:59 »

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2015, 20:42:51 »

Thank you for welcoming me so kindly EscapeVelocity! Smiley

Karlssons book is also quite interesting, it includes some viewpoints I haven't seen in other books so far. I think I know what you talk about, I couldn't await the part where Monroe explains his technique, so I skipped some pages the other day and already read the part you mentioned Smiley

I will certainly include my knowledge about hypnotherapy when it comes to relax and suggest success on my further attempts Smiley

Would you recommend me focusing on lucid dreams in order to induce an OOBE when I get aware in the dream or should I just keep practising the Induction of OOBEs? Well, I could also do the two things at the same time, honestly I din't focus a lot on lucid dreams the last few days Cheesy

Have a great day (night? I don't know what time it is there Cheesy)!
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 07:55:22 »

There are a great many types of OBE you can experience so you need to aware of and on the lookout for the first several types because there is no telling where you may be more naturally inclined. I prefer to just categorize all these various experiences into a current catch-all term- the Non-Physical (NP). When the time comes to call it something else, then I will remain open to that.

It seems that most people come to the practice of OBE thinking that they are going to relax deeply and eventually "lift/walk/roll out of their physical body and float around like a ghost exploring the Physical world. Some actually get an experience similar to this expectation which many refer to as a Physical Plane or Etheric Plane or RTZ (Real-Time Zone) OBE. The debate as to the accuracy of any of these interpretations has been going on for many decades, if not hundreds of years or longer.

For those experiencing at this level, the scene is often within your house, backyard or local neighborhood and appears to be limited within these confines for most people. Early on there is often difficulty in gaining vision, learning to move around and simply remaining within the scene without waking. The colors of the scene are almost always monochromatic- various grays, grayish-blues, vague greens or sepia tones.

At some point, the experience changes, possibly because we accidentally discover one of several new ways of achieving an "exit". And actually we begin to re-define our definition of just what an "exit" is; we begin to realize that an OBE is more of a shifting of consciousness, a re-orientation of our conscious point of Focus from the Physical to somewhere else within the Non-Physical Reality. Our new OBEs take on a much higher and defined quality: Full technicolor and completely differing environments; a lightness of being far different from the RTZ experience. This is part of Phasing. And yes, our dreams fall into this new definition; the key with our dreams is realizing the various levels of lucidity available to us and that we can exercise and increase this ability and become more lucid/conscious within the dream and then go exploring from there. Now at first you may argue that "my dreams are fun and fine, but they're not real!" My answer to that is So What!? If an experience gives you the opportunity to learn something of value, if it teaches you something...then isn't that every bit as valid as a "real" experience? (Whatever "real" actually is...) At least from my own experience, I have found that my dreams became a training ground, likely having higher level elements introduced as my learning has evolved. I'm not 100% sure just where that balance currently is, how much is strictly my own versus how much is from outside myself? Be it from my Subconscious, my Higher Self or a Guide/Teacher...I can say this though...I definitely recognize elements that indicate some other presence is involved with my learning. You realize that challenges are being introduced for you to overcome and learn from.

This is where development in your lucid dreaming can take you...and you have already made the first few steps!

Affirmations: These are short, simple, positively-worded phrases that you can repeat several times during the day and before bedtime. Writing them down several times is even better.  Repeat one as you drift off to sleep. In your case, with the lucid dreaming, I would try something like this:

"Tonight I will dream and become lucid and know that I am dreaming."
"I will dream and remember to express my desire to ________."
"I will dream and ask my Higher Self (Guide) for a lesson (what is my higher purpose?)."

I think you may find quicker success with the lucid dreaming and this will begin helping you to become familiar with the NP Consciousness that you will develop which will in turn help you know what state of mind you are aiming for during your other Phasing exercises. Keep up with the other exercises as you see fit; it's all good like training different muscle groups.

Again, these are suggestions based on my own experience and research; your Reality may differ grin Take & use what resonates with you, read as much as you can and stay open to new ways of thinking. Have fun!
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 10:39:31 »

 First off, welcome Xenothym!

 EscapeVelocity, you should copy and paste your last post to a new thread that can be made into a "sticky".

 Your explanation there was "PURE GOLD"!
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 22:33:22 »

Wow, I'm astonished at the length of your reply! I really appreciate that you wrote that much in response Smiley

I like this term, NP Smiley I also think that dreams can teach you quite a lot of things, especially when you're aware that you're dreaming. I once listented to an interview of someone who talked about lucid dreaming and he then made a couple of experiments, asking his subconsciousness questions which got answered. Really interesting! And it's nice to know that you can also induce an OBE from within a dream Smiley I'm definitely going to train my awareness more now!

Thank you again for your highly inspiring words Smiley I can only agree with Lumanza, your explanation was indeed pure gold Cheesy

Thank you too Lumanza, for welcoming me Smiley

I will now focus more on lucid dreaming affirmations again (I had been doing OOBE affirmations)

Have a nice day/night! Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2015, 00:07:49 »

I will now focus more on lucid dreaming affirmations again (I had been doing OOBE affirmations
I believe that using "affirmations" is one the most important things you can do to promote success with this practice in general. They are constantly reaffirming to your "higher self/sub conscious" that you are ready to experience and "be" more!

 Another excellent way to become Lucid in your Dreams is to first start a Dream Journal. Log in anything you remember from your Dreams. Make a separate note of any Dream Triggers that you see. Those Dream Triggers will help you to see that you are indeed Dreaming. They can be simple little signs or really "in your face". But you will see they are always there.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2015, 08:45:30 »

Lumaza, thank you for the kind words.

Lumaza adds a couple really important followups to what I was advising.

1) The importance of a Dream Journal cannot be discounted; it provides a recorded history; over time it will show you patterns in your experiences that may not become apparent until a few years have passed; also, the recording of your experiences reinforces the memory, the process and the importance to your various levels of consciousness; in other words, it declares your seriousness...

2) Dream Triggers: As you review your dreams, you need to look for those signs, both small and large, mostly anomalous, illogical moments that are hinting or screaming for you to wake up within the dream and become lucid. Once you start recording your dreams and looking for triggers you will be amazed at how many there are...and how unaware we persist in being...LOL.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2015, 17:31:34 »

I actually have a Dream Journal Smiley It's a word document and it only contains a little more than 10 pages but it's a start and I've already seen three dream signs Cheesy Mine are doors, coins and flight. Now I have to investigate if they are still true or if they have changed Smiley

Did it take you a long time until you had your first OOBE? This questions goes out to both of you Smiley

Have a nice day!
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2015, 08:58:26 »

Was it a long time before my first OBE? Well, yes and no...

My OBEs began when I was about five but I had little understanding of what was happening other than the recognition that this was significantly different from a normal dream; by the time I was seven or eight, I could describe what was happening to my parents but they had no idea since it wasn't part of their worldview, so I pretty quickly gave up and tried to figure it out for myself. Most of what I was experiencing were flying dreams of several varieties; there was no technique involved, I would just find myself aware and "out".

When I was thirteen, I came across what was one of the first books I purchased which was Robert Monroe's Journeys Out Of The Body, around 1974. This book clued me in to what was going on and although I could induce the "vibrations", I couldn't manage to get to an exit. By the time I was twenty, I was apparently meeting some coworkers out of body on specific occasions but I never returned with a memory of the fact. I was in pretty serious depression at the time and that is the only reason I can come up with for the lack of memory.

Then, when I was twenty-three, one night I had a Wake Back To Bed moment where I came awake in the middle of the night, settled back down and when the vibrations hit, I was able to lift out and fly out my window whereupon I lost awareness. Nonetheless, it was a successful, conscious exit, my first.

It was hit and miss for the next twenty years until I came across the Pulse and the connect-the-dots puzzle of OBE became much more solvable, and my experiences multiplied almost geometrically within a few years; the vast wealth of individual knowledge and perspective from all over the Earth that the internet allows to connect and share and evolve through is staggering.

Everything that I have learned and studied over 50 years, at least from an informational perspective, is available here on the Pulse with maybe ten hours of study; it is simply incredible what this makes us, as self-aware beings, capable of.

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2015, 02:18:35 »

So you're a natural talent too then Wink I'm so glad I can just look up all this information instantaneously in the internet thanks to people like you, so thank you! Smiley

I began listening again to the hemi sync audio files I haven't been listening in a while. They're so relaxing! And since they kind of programm your subconsciousness, I would say they're actually hipnosis tracks Smiley

B2T: Altough nowadays it's way more easier to access this information about astral projection, the most important thing is not only to read about it but to experience it! So that's where I'm going right now Smiley

Have a nice day!
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2015, 02:12:32 »

Did it take you a long time until you had your first OOBE? This questions goes out to both of you Smiley
Like many others here I have been having "spontaneous" OBEs since my early childhood. I never told anyone about them. I thought everyone had them but that the subject was "taboo" for some reason. Hence why I never shared them with friends or Family.

 My first consciously aware initiated OBE came after watching a "candle burning" video on youtube, then applying what I saw. It was brief (as many first experiences are) and had a welcome to the wonderful world of Astral Projection "fear test" as well. But I couldn't wait to try it again. I was hooked immediately, lol.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2016, 02:07:16 »

Like many others here I have been having "spontaneous" OBEs since my early childhood. I never told anyone about them. I thought everyone had them but that the subject was "taboo" for some reason. Hence why I never shared them with friends or Family.

 My first consciously aware initiated OBE came after watching a "candle burning" video on youtube, then applying what I saw. It was brief (as many first experiences are) and had a welcome to the wonderful world of Astral Projection "fear test" as well. But I couldn't wait to try it again. I was hooked immediately, lol.

Oh that's nice! Smiley I'm sorry it took almost half a year to reply, but there was a time when I wanted to login to this forum and always got an error... And as I haven't had that much time either, I stopped trying after some days, but I'm happy to be back here, after various attempts to remember my password Cheesy

I still haven't had no OBE but a very short lucid dream. Next time I get conscious in my dream I'll try to induce an OBE! Smiley 
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2016, 09:56:25 »

Hello Xenothym and welcome to the forum, though I'm half a year late as well.  There is lots to read here.   grin
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2016, 01:24:12 »

Hi and welcome to the Pulse.
I'm glad you like the site, its full of information and questions are answered too as a bonus.
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2016, 02:38:34 »

Hello Xenothym and welcome to the forum, though I'm half a year late as well.  There is lots to read here.   grin

Thank you! Smiley Yes I've seen it Cheesy Fortunately I'm on vacation Smiley

Hi and welcome to the Pulse.
I'm glad you like the site, its full of information and questions are answered too as a bonus.

I'm just about to check more techniques Smiley I've started to watch a mini web series called Anamnesis, which is about lucid dreaming, that really gets me motivated Smiley
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