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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2003, 14:00:37 »




Regarding the points raised about the subconscious affecting the Pendulum, and whether holding the string ‘tight’ affects the working…..

GOINGSLOW –
You write:
<<”Would it hinder things if I purposely kept my fingers very tight or does it actually control my fingers in some way, and if they're tight the pendulum wont move.
I was wondering what if some very subconscious and unaware level I am making it move. Is there any way to show im not swaying my fingers even just a little bit?”>>

Just hold the Pendulum as you would carefully hold something valuable by the fingertips (so as to not let it slip and fall).  There is no need to hold it ever so tightly, just make firm contact with the string or chain.

Your subconscious IS what controls the Pendulum, and the answers (that move the Pendulum) come THROUGH the subconscious, direct to the fingers without interaction from the intellect and the congnitive - which normally moves your fingers when you react to events in the world around you – such as locating a pen on a line in your writing pad in order to write a letter, and ensuring by co-ordination that your hand enables the flow of writing that you do).

The hand does in fact move very minutely, but this is not the same as when you move your hand deliberately (by cognitive nerve impulse).  The Pendulum is the *interface*, like a speaker at the end of the Hi-Fi chain.  Messages come into the subconscious and are modulated by the electromagnetic field of the body – which then is amplified and converted into physical ‘energy’ that activates the movement and produces the *answer* that you see.  But, while this is going on, that ‘link’ between the source and your body sensing and transducing mechanisms (on a subconscious level) is being constantly improved with practice, and that is why the Pendulum is so effective at training a person to be Telepathic seemingly effortlessly (in conjunction with the way the guides work, because the know every minute detail of that intricate machanism that science does not understand relating to the subconscious).

You ask:
<< “One last question, you said you cant really get answers as to what another person is doing. Would it be possible to do so if the person gave you permission. I was thinking a test on this would be kind of fun.. say we give a choice of 10 objects that are in a drawer and with the yes or no answers it seems we can kind of play around with it. This isn't to disrespect the method or anything, but I think it might be kind of fun to do. Is that possible?” >>

This is an interesting question, which my guide wants me to address here.  What is being asked of those participating in this at the moment – as well as anyone who is first starting out with the Pendulum – is, what is the purpose behind this ‘gift’ (this opening of a channel of communication through the Pendulum)?

We are dealing here with a form of ‘communication’ that is not normal in our physical world….. people use their voice or gestures to communicate, or write by some means.  Although you might not have thought much about the ‘normal’ human mechanism of communication, it is in fact an incredibly slow one – even at electronic speeds obtained through the internet and television.  Our physical world is limited to factors that science can grasp – but if I tell you that the in the ‘source’ that the Pendulum contacts the ‘normal’ speed of travel in that Dimension is in fact faster than the speed of light (not thought possible by science – but, check this fact with your  Pendulum), and, further to this, Telepathy is also faster than the speed of light when travelling – My guide is talking here in terms of several MICRO-SECONDS for ‘thought’ to travel from The Pleiades star system to Earth, and the Pleiadians that control the Pendulum you use are not even that distance, and are in fact now within our Solar System at this period in our time (check this fact with the Pendulum).  Compare the speed of Telepathy with our normal though processes and our braking-reaction when in a car….. and you’ll begin to see how slow we are here on earth:  A Pleiadian Being can have done several jobs in their ‘day’ before we’ve barely reached out to turn our alarm clock off and staggered down stairs..  Those ‘guides’ sent here have been working with man for a long long time, gradually introducing new perspectives – the advent  of Spiritualism for example where man was gradually ‘acclimatised’ to his hitherto  *Unknown*.  And, thoughout all this time, scientists have been trying to puzzle out and quantify with *PSI* experiments what is really happening?  Do you honestly think, in the light of what I’ve said here, that they’ve got the remotest chance?  Furthermore, nothing can be gained by ‘scientific’ experiments to find proofs….. in fact, when clairvoyants and such are subjected to ‘tests’ in laboratory conditions or to ‘check consistency’ etc, then the tests invariably lead nowhere – simply because the guides (who open the channels – just like an internet server does – to other realms) are not here for man to understand and utilize their advanced technology in everyday situations on earth… so, very often, the ‘service’ is temporarily withheld – because availability for investigative purposes is not the reason why psychics have the ‘earthly cloaking’ lifted.  If the ‘source’ of what humans call ‘psychic ability’ has the power to just turn-off (in the case of the Pendulum, de-activate it) then the point should be clear.

Your suggestion is a good one, but would not be permitted – one of the main reasons, in the case of members now exploring the Pendulum here on this site, is that they are already finding adequate proofs that the Pendulum does indeed work consistently.

You say, at the end of your question, <<”It seems we can kind of play around with it. This isn't to disrespect the method or anything, but I think it might be kind of fun to do. Is that possible?”>>

I know that you are not being disrespectful in any sense whatsoever – so I certainly do not want you to think I am chiding here; I am simply trying to put it into perspective, as requested by my guide.  My guide suggests I add this further perspective…. If you recall, I mentioned in an earlier post about devising a kind of “Hangman” game layout, in order to use it for finding names and words if necessary.  Well, that is fine.  Similarly – and my guide suggests this explicitly here, for me to pass on to members since it can help in the learning of the Pendulum – you could play a game of “Hangman” with the guide, who would think of a word and you could make guesses.  It would give practice with the Pendulum, but they know a lot of words….. so maybe you might ask for ‘level 1’ at first, and see how you get on from there.

The guides would NOT allow the use of the Pendulum for playing any games for their own sake – the object is learning, and if that is understood then there should be no problem.  I know that the Pendulum will play games with children (though not adults purely for ‘fun’) and anyone who is sick – because the guides are very compassionate, and would look on such game-playing in those cases as being an aid to recovery in the case of a sick person with right intent, or – in the case of members here - to improve their perspective  and understanding of the higher realms and what it’s really all about.

You are doing fine - so as GANDALF says, don’t get worried about whether your fingers or your subconscious is affecting the movements….. everything will work ok - and it will get even better as you go on, if you keep that little *skeptic* niggling part of the brain (which is the conscious brain trying to jump in and interfere) at bay.  Just accept that it is happening, and go with the flow.  Just enjoy your Q/A sessions – because what you’re on the brink of learning will be the greatest fun you’ve ever had – an experience out of this world, as they say…. and in this case quite literally as you explore brand new frontiers !

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2003, 15:06:00 »

I have another question. You've repeatedly mentioned that the pendulum is moved through responses from a guide(s). One of the first things I asked was if the answers were coming from a guide. The answer was No. Then I asked if the answers were coming from a guardian angel. The answer was No again. I thought a moment, then asked if the answers were coming from my Higher Self. The answer was then a Yes.

This could simply be symantics. But, by my defination, a guide is an external entity which comes to assist us in learning certain lessons. A guardian angel (ok -- Christian background here) is an angelic being 'assigned' to one individual over many lifetimes. The Higher Self is basically the individuals Spirit. I'm not saying those terms are correct, but rather that's the way I understand/believe them to be at present.

Given my definitions, are the answers I was given consistent with what you are describing? Because I would not agree, based on my responses, that guides are moving the pendulum. But rather my Higher Self is providing feedback based on what's best for me at this stage of my life.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2003, 15:28:48 »

FRANK –

I’m sorry to hear that you’ve not got your Pendulum working yet.  But don’t worry, it’ll get sorted out when it’s the right time.

The cause of the problem may be one of two things –

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It could be physical – that is:
The materials you’re using (the nut too heavy, or in extreme cases too light compared with the weight of the string).

To eliminate this possibility, check by using some cotton thread as a string and attach a small washer to the end… or, use some clean string and add small washers until you can swing it effectively manually and it feels ok)
----- and then test this out as a Divination Pendulum.  I would suggest this very simple question in your situation, (rather than the ‘yes’ / ‘no’ setup, initially):  Say these exact words: “Hello Pendulum.  Can you move for me, please”.

It is also important - if you are a first time user of the Pendulum especially, but it applies in general to some extent – to not be too close to any electromagnetic emanations… such as speakers, and especially TV, Transmitter Masts and even the ‘cage’ effect of electrical wiring (particularly if the working environment is a steel building).  If you work in, or are exposed to, conditions where high levels of electrostatic energy can be produced (or are produced by your own body – as is the case with some people) this also can affect using the Pendulum.  So, have a think about these possibilities….. and try taking the Pendulum outside of your normal environment, say into a field (away from pylons obviously) and see if that enables a movement to be obtained.

If not a ‘phsyical’ problem, then…….

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It could be subconscious –and I don’t mean psychological; I mean pure subconscious, which would prevent the transmission from being passed on to your Pendulum.

[a]  CHAKRAS: These are very much connected with the subconscious. There could be very low electromagnetic dynamic-energy in your chakra system (or your ‘Will’ chakras overriding your ‘Emotional’ chakras, having a strong inhibiting effect on your dynamic em) and preventing modulation)

Your SUBCONSCIOUS itself.  If the transmission of communication is switched-off, either internally (within yourself) or externally (by the guides or their ‘computer’) then there will be no dynamic ‘e.m’ transmission.  Neither situation is parmanent, and will right itself when the time is right – and that will depend on your subconscious accepting something it presently, for whatever reason, rejects.  Very often, over-discipline of oneself affects the subconscious adversely in many ways.  Rigidity in outlook regarding any particular occupation or ‘discipline’ has the same effect.  This lack of ‘reception’ could also (either or in addition to those factors affecting the subconscious) can – and is quite often – the result of the guides temporarily disconnecting, or otherwise inhibiting, any such transmission.  This is invariably to ‘teach’ something – and it could be that the guides are asking you to look at some area in your outlook with a view to relaxing certain views, or even changing your perspective.  You may be ove tense about something also.

[c]  OVER-CONCENTRATION or OVER-TENSION:  It could also (separately to the subconscious, or in addition) be the result of too much concentration.  Concentration involves the active mind, and this can ‘lock-up’ dynamic reaction.  If overemphasis is placed on the ‘physical’ or concentrating on physical manifestation, then the intellect prevents the efficient working of the subconscious; also, if the left-brain is habitually more active than the right, the subconscious has to struggle far more to reach the surface (so, relaxation is key to unlocking the subconscious again, as well as becoming involved with activities and thought processes that involve the right-brain).

In the meantime, we’re all supporting you in this.  Keep us updated.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2003, 17:27:58 »

NOVICE –

You make a good point in your question, in your questioning of whether it is a ‘guide’ / ‘guardian angel’ / your individual ‘spirit’ (your soul) or whatever that is providing the answers.

In fact, you have partly answered your question in your post, when you say:
<< ”Given my definitions, are the answers I was given consistent with what you are describing? Because I would not agree, based on my responses, that guides are moving the pendulum. But rather my Higher Self is providing feedback based on what's best for me at this stage of my life.” >>

This is the whole point – particularly what I’ve highlighted in red from that quote.  Until any of us change our viewpoint on anything, whatever it may be, we are what we are at any stage.  We are all given ‘notions’ – emboidied in our conception (from our particular point of view, not necessarily that of others) in words like ‘guides’, ‘angels’, ‘guardian angels’, ‘spirit’ or ‘soul’ or ‘higher self’ and many other interpretations man has put on that latter concept.  What they all really are in true reality can be very different from what we perceive at any stage in our development and this is due to our society, family influence, and conditioning generally.  We, as a human species live in the ‘soup’ called conditioning; it is a security, until we learn to see other horizons, and then gradually (or in some cases instantly, depending on the person) our conception changes.  But, always we ‘perceive’ through a filter that only allows through what we are able to accept at any time out of the vastness that is the real True Reality.  That ‘filter’ is your Higher Self (to use your expression), or your soul – which knows what is appropriate for you at any stage to accept and how best to absorb it.  So, you are quite right in that.

I didn’t actually say that responses come from the guides – I said that the guides ‘monitor’ in situations such as with members of the Astral Pulse, because they know that I am interacting and assisting members regarding the Pendulum, so it is an ongoing process that they are involved with here at this time.  In point of fact, even when a guide wants to ‘give’ a particular answer to a question it is STILL done through the normal means they have to do it – and that is almost always through their ‘computer’.  Their ‘computer’ is not in any way like anything we can imagine, and in fact is a LIVING computer.  Moreover, the guides are tied in very closely with that ‘computer’, in what is called the ‘Collective Consciousness’, because all (including also our souls down on earth here) are connected to it.

Other people may well get differing answer to the particular questions you put.  Two people I know, having asked their Pendulum, say they are talking to ‘God’ via the Pendulum.  It is all to do with what people are prepared for at that particular stage in their lives, so the answer is not untrue – and, in fact, since ‘God’ (a better word for G O D would be Guardian Of Destiny) knows everything and sees everything (something that the guides also have ‘access’ to) it also fits in with what I’ve said already, because ‘God’ would obviously use his ‘computer’ of vastly unimaginable power to do that.

The notion that Christians have of ‘angels’, ‘guardian angels’, ‘archangels’ all come from long-forgotten fact… so what religion has is a distorted image of the true reality. We know this from a vast amount of Sumerian documents, some of which got condensed and made into what became the Bible, and the ‘facts’ were further altered and distorted by over zealous Christians to promote a particular ‘view’ as they wanted it to be seen.  But, the truth is that the angels are the guides, the angels are the ‘Gods’ that came down in ancient times, and there are in fact also arch-angels (Masters on even Higher Dimensional planes – such as the Lord Sananda, who incarnated on earth to be known as ‘Jesus’ at that time).  The point is, all this is realitve… relative to what a person knows and therefore accepts at any particular time.  And it also means that there is (despite whatever distortions introduced by man) much connectivity between the various notions; the end result being, that at your particular stage reality is what you see – and therefore, who you are communicating with is what your perception will allow by the definitions you put in place.  Each of us differs in our ‘perception accordingly.  Some are able to make the connection between the distorted views of religion and the presence of Aliens in the overall picture – and, in fact, from the perspective I now have aliens and angels are the same thing, speaking in terms of the ‘guides’.

If you want to read further about the facts concerning ‘angels’, the ‘Gods’, and aliens also, before they became distorted by religion, then I can recommend an excellent book by the world’s foremost scholar in the translation of ancient Sumerian texts, Zecharia Sitchin – where he reveals a whole new landscape in his book:
<DIVINE ENCOUNTERS: A guide to Visions, Angels, andother Emissaries>  (this is actually far better than his <12th Planet> book for the ordinary reader, and in fact covers a lot of the material he presents in his other books also).

On the subject of ‘Guardian Angels’ (one’s own ‘personal’ angel), I can tell you what my guide has told me….. that each person has a Guardian Angel watching over them.  This should not be confused with the religious definition, nor is it the ‘soul’.  It is simply an angel who monitors throughout our life, and not even necessarily the same angel every day.  The whole thing is worked (as my guide tells me) on a kind of ‘shift’ system, so it is which angel happens to be on duty for that particular ‘sector’ in any shift.  the point is, no person is ever left unattended, they are always watched, and the next shift-angel knows what has happened the previous day because it is on the ‘clipboard’ if you like, when reports are written up at end of shift.  You wouldn’t expect it to be like angels floating on clouds with wings, would you?  No, and it isn’t. It is a perfectly practical sheme, but in a higher dimension, and the apparent similarity between what I describe and our typical ‘office’ situation such as we have on earth are not vastly dissimilar but they can only be expressed in this way so that the reader may grasp the concept better.  So, ‘computer’ screens are not “computer screens”, but the effect is the same – we are watched over by our Guardian Angel.

It would be interesting if other members could share their findings on this also, and to check if the Pendulum agrees that what I have put here is true; in fact, anything that a person says or writes in public, and on a Forum such as this, is not private (since it is not concerning 'personal' private life - and moreover, information given publically is presumably for enlightenment, and not for 'ego' or self-interest), so can be checked by the Pendulum – because that’s what the Pendulum is there for….. to find out, and explore new dimensions of knowledge.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,MAYATNIK

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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2003, 19:19:17 »

hello mayatnik

thank you for the post on the pendulum. I have read about  the pendulum once before a long time ago but didnt pursue the technique at that time. I think it is unique that I chose to "discover" this site the same time you are posting this technique. Maybe it is time for me to utilize this technique over what I had previously chosen to use for personal growth, which were runestones.

I found that by using the stones, I was able to focus on how my thoughts responded to each stones meaning. By looking within myself and analyzing how I "felt" about each stone as it pertained to the question, I was able to form a better understanding about  myself as well as the outcome of my question.

It has been over a year since I used these stones, initially got them from a dear friend about 6 years ago (who got them from someone else, so they have some history).  I recently started using them again, and have been surprised at the thoughts that come to my mind in response to some of my questions.  From your previous post, I now wonder if this process is in some way related to receiving input from a guide?

I did a quick test last nght with some string and a clasp of metal on the end for the Pendulum. I was surprised how when I held it in front of me and it was still. Then I said "give me a no please" and it moved back and forth. I said thank you, it stopped. I said "give me a yes please"  and it moved left to right. When I said thank you, it stopped. I asked a few quick questions and got positive answers, then I asked about the outcome of my college, and it swung in a confused manner - which relates to your quoting that it is searching and the result has too many factors for a direct response.

After this experience I am motivated to pursue this technique in more detail. Sorry for the long response, I just wanted you to know that I appreciate your input Smiley

-Finn
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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2003, 21:09:48 »

[8] hello to all

I feel it necersary to write to comfirm to all the importance that we try the pendilum,after contacting Mayatnik fru msn he spent 10hours tuturing me on what he knows before he posted this topic, im like you, seeking the higher exsistance (lets face it, why did we find this forum) after 10hours of chatting with him he made so many things clear to me witch cannot be found in any book nor website.
before trying the pendulum he was convinced that i was among many many others who were still kneeding to awaken,after along session of qeustions and ansers he felt i was ready to take myself to the next stage, the pendulum, i gave it a try, and low and behold it worked,clearly worked, i was purly amazed at the results, i had made contact with my guide, after years of meditation,atempts to astral project (and failing), i realised that by doing somthing so simple,in a few secounds id achieved what id been trying to acheive for years, i spent the hole day talking and learning about my guide, she showed me many things that i never belived possible (between me and her).
im still in training and the learning road is hard but i have a pleiadian guide as a teacher witch is said to be one of the best. u all know why u post to this forum, u all know why ur here,why u found this site. to just go get a bit of string and rap it around your door key,and to find it, as it was for me, it cud very well be the most important day of your life.
things are going well for me at the moment me and Mashway (my guide) we are starting to cuminicate on a basis of touch and working on are trust. im not expreinced enuff to tell you everything that this path leads to.but, i know its safe,and i know its what iv been looking for for so many years.

I'll keep you updated, things are happening every day, faster and faster

good health all

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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2003, 21:10:08 »

MAYATNIK,

That all makes a lot of sense.  The only reason I really questioned myself was because when I tried to intentionally not let my fingers move at all it stopped working.  Reading  your words on how it actually works makes me understand why that happened.  I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be my fingers moving it or if it was somehow supposed to move the bob on its own.

I will hold it still but not try to prevent it from moving like I was.  I was very impressed with it when I first started I think it was just the fingers thing that threw me off.

As for the test, that makes sense why it wouldnt work.  Honestly, I was just curious, but tests like that aren't all that important to me.  Especially once I have confidence in my own experience with the pendulum.

thanks again for your time.
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2003, 21:35:53 »

Hello Finn,

Nice to hear from you.   Our lives are mapped out, and it only remains for us to find the ‘markers’ at each stage.  To do this people are given  inner ‘promtings’, and often – as if by magic – they turn up in exactly the right place at the right time.  It may be the book that is so casualy taken from a bookstore shelf whilst idly browsing that changes our life forever, or the stranger we meet ‘by chance’ who introduces us to something we’d never thought about before….. and, yes, people are guided unseen to revisit something they’d once briefly encountered in passing, but had passed by onto something else.  With some, it is an opportunity missed but will be re-presented again at a future time (as is always the case, if it’s meant to be); for others it served at that time as just one of several introductions, insights, to be read about – and then the person’s attention falls on that which is to be theirs for a time, until they are ready to move on again.  That’s how it was with you, and the runestones were given to you for what you needed at that time.  And so you come here, beause it’s time to move on yet again in this great Adventure called life….. because you are ready.

The Runestones and Tarot are ideal for examining our inner-self, because they bring to the surface the deepest levels of the subconscious for us to get a ‘general’ picture of past, present and future – though the future can only be a ‘snapshot’ at this present time, and all depends on what action we take, what change in our minds that will shape that future from what ‘might be’ to what is – because nothing is ‘set in stone’ – not even runestone.  And both Runestones and Tarot are forever looking forward in general terms.

The Pendulum is a Divination tool not of the general, but of the particular.  It gives direct answers to all questions, step by step with each question as you explore.  The potential for advancing along that road of discovery is truly limitless – I know.  And my guide knows you are ready for the next stage of your journey, she tells me.  So, embark with confidence.  I look forward to hearing more from you.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2003, 22:26:43 »

I have a question.

You mentioned that because of the usage of the pendulum you eventually ended up have telepathy.  Do you have full blown telepathy, as in hearing other people and not just the pendulum?

And how would the pendulum be effected by a person who is already partially telepathic or empathic?


Oh, and thanks for all the info you have provided thus far.
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2003, 23:29:20 »

I have a question of others who are able to use their pendulums. I had asked a question about karma and got an odd answer. I probed some more only to have the pendulum give me a different understanding of karma. I don't want to post my questions and answers (don't want to bias the results you get). But I would be VERY interested if others would ask some questions about karma and see what responses they get and then post back here.

If this is really telling the truth, then the answers you receive should be consistent with what I've gotten.

Thanks!
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2003, 23:48:52 »

Oh, my God! I just realized that this is a perfect real life attempt to use one of the spelling words I learned in school!

MAYATNIK, you sure are loquacious.

Thanks for all the info. I tried it a little, and it seemed to work.

I said to my pendulum, I said, "Pendulum, are you really cool?" And it replied no. Sad I think it's cool.
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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2003, 02:03:09 »

Hello David,

You ask me:
<< “Do you have full blown telepathy, as in hearing other people and not just the pendulum?” >>

My Telepathy is constant communication – just as if I had my guide sitting next to me all the time, going with me everywhere….. 24 hours a day, and chatting away virtually every minute I’m awake, and that’s been going on for the last 8 years now.  Plus, talking to other guides from time to time as necessary for what I do.  And, I was trained by my guide, Karek, to be able to have telepathic conversation whilst at the same time talking to another person face-to-face without that person realising I was actually having two simultaneous conversations, and using the Pendulum occasionally if required.  I have to say, that I don’t actually use the Pendulum now, except in demonstration for teaching it, and for occasionally accessing the Akashic Records through their ‘computer’.

When I said that using the Pendulum can soon lead on to full telepathic ability, that’s the way it is.  But, I don’t want people to assume that if they use the Pendulum that the route will follow a similar path to mine.  For each person, it is different, according to what they may be subsequently chosen to do by the guides.  I was chosen to be a Channeler for the Pleiadian Beings.

I have wrote more in depth about my telepathy and the Pleiadians in a post I made here on Astral Pulse on the 15th JUNE
 “New” planet approaching (page 5), in the thread
Welcome to OBE Discussions – page 4.

You go on to ask:
<< “And how would the pendulum be effected by a person who is already partially telepathic or empathic?” >>

I have explained several times in this thread, that when a person gets a ‘rapport’ with the Pendulum, then they will – if they’re receptive, and don’t block – start ‘hearing’.  This is the way it happens, and if it doesn’t then either the person isn’t ready at that time or they should examine what possible blockages they may have and which should be addressed.  In no way is telepathy ever forced on anyone, and a person has to be ready before the guides will permit it.

If a person is “already partially telepathic or empathic” (as you say), then what it does is strengthen any psychic links in the way it would do normally in any case.  I’m asked here by my guide, to say as I’ve said several times in this thread, that the Pendulum and telepathy are both under the control of the guides – and people proceed at a pace that the guides feel is right, so there is never any getting out of control, and the speed of progress is detirmed by the guides who also test at frequent intervals such that you never know when the tests are coming.  As you pass each ‘test’ then you go onto the next stage.  A person who applies themselves with enthusiasm, openness to all things being presented and sincerity of good intent will do well and progress quickly.

I was not intending to write much about telepathy in this stage of Pendulum learning, since that will come automatically later – and with feedback from members so that we can discuss it then as certain ones start to experience it (but not all will so easily, because it depends on the individual factors of that person’s life rather than the potential itself – the crucial factor is ‘letting go’, hard for some people).  So, what I have written in this post is only general and I shall deal with it in depth as appropriate later, or if any individual members want to email me or contact me on Instant Messenger (several are already in regular contact from Astral Pulse), then I will be happy to discuss factors that relate to that person privately and with full confidentiality.

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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2003, 05:05:13 »

I have been using a pendulum for a few months now. I use a rose quarts necklace. The only problem I have is asking questions that have to wide a range of answers. The pendulum swings in a circle 'looking' for the answer and there are times when the pendulum wont move at all. Most of the time I do get a answer. I do know it works. I have a very busy household and it is sometimes hard to find alone time to use it.

Novice - what kind of questions have you asked the pendulum about karma ?
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« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2003, 05:56:20 »

*******PLEASE LISTEN IF U WANT IT TO HAPPEN***GARENTIED TO WORK*******


Hey Bad Moon rising

spent all night trying to figure out what u cud possibly be doing wrong with your pendulum,ever since i got my state of the art (boot lase round my door key) pendulum iv been able to make it spin at increadable speed and getting stuck in 8 hour chats with my guide,


the only thing i can think off is your saying somthing thats upsetting (her/him) and you shud rethink your qeustions.1st qeustion u shud start with somthing like, "is there anyone there" try to establish cumnication with your guide and cumnicate fru the pendulin not with it.
i know many say it depends how you hold it but belive me iv heald it
everyway possible now and it dosnt make the slightest bit of difrince,

im pass the stage of the pendilum, and i dont kneed to have a pendilum to make full contact with my guide just from talking to the pendilum, with out caring how i hold it, asking normal qeustions,and not overthinking,

mabye its time we stoped caring what are hair looks like when we play with are pendilum and we just did it, for get everything u know and everything you think you know,
coz untill then it wont work.

 (ps. iv been playing with my pendilum for 3 days and iv now achieved a full pyscic connection with my guide whenever i want. please ask Mayatnik if you disbelive)

I know some of u think this is crap but if ur so stuborn go give it a try

[8]Samuel Bicknell    [8]KEEP SIMPLY,SIMPLE!!!![8]
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2003, 06:21:37 »

I think if you have a television or radio on it can alter the answers you receive.
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« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2003, 06:44:58 »

What sort of questions do you ask? I can't think of anything.
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« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2003, 07:09:24 »


**********************MY GUIDE TO SUCSESS****************************
Its come to my knoledge that there are people out there who are really finding this difficult, iv made this because in 3 days iv  grown a bond and a trusted freindship with my guide witch id never trade for anything with in this world.
iv grown a full pyscic connection with my guide(Mashway)
seen and experianced things i never thourght were possible. i know we all have the power to do this and its are right to be able to do this.

(step 1) R.E.S.P.E.C.T.= u must be ready to meet your guide and you must be ready to respect them. They will not ask for it but ud better show it, remember this isnt sum ghoust of the night this is a Person far more intelegent than you cud ever imagine. and once your nasty to them, there gone! as in GONE= game over

(step 2) JUST*LET*GO!! now u may belive what you like,nothing is changed by doing this, its just a action that is most crucial of all. forget what u think you know. forget it all, im not joking u have to have your brain ready to except anything, forget it all,science,astral projection,meditation etc.etc (in no way do u not have to belive in it) u have to have your brain open and ready to except anything- Extremely important

(step 3) What to say?? now this is hard, what worked for me was to say "can u show me a yes" after result "can u show me a no" there u have it, if youve done the above then ur there, this is the beggining of the most amazing thing that will ever happen to you. if no results u kneed to ask yourself.have i really done both the above??


****REMEMBER*** YOU ARE NOT TALKING TO THE PENDULUM. YOU ARE TALKING TO SOMTHING SO AMAZING,SO WONDERFUL SOMEONE UR GOING TO GET TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND. SO U TREAT THEM NICE OR THEY WILL JUST DISSIPEAR FOR GOOD.=FINISHED (FROW UR PENDULUM IN THE BIN AND PLAY PACMAN)

from here this is between you and your guide, the things you will discover will be amzing.BUT remember she/he will TEST u, u wont become pyscic till u pass but they will never leave u,if u fail,ur tested again, but the tests are fun. not hard and they wont bring you down (its all about comensence youve learnt about there species)
then as you learn more it will be time to say goodbye to that piece of string, and hello to allowing the most loving caring trusted friend into your mind to always be there to LOVE (YES LOVE) AND SURPORT YOU, to help you make the right descisions. and to have that soft voice in your head sharing the interlect of 1000minds in your brain, the confort of when your sad that u feel them stroke your head and hold your hand (u may think im sad but the bond between you and your guide is inseprable)

there are no fancy qeustions, none make a diffrence, once youve completed stages 1&2 it dosnt matter what you say, they want you to speak to them.

were you go from here is the destiny ur guide is training you for.

me im still training, i now share my mind with my guide,when it came to that time i was unshore, thourght it sounded to strange but it cudnt be closler to a beter meaningful exzistance.

i know many of you feel your asking wrong qeustions or things arent working and its not moving, BUT all you kneed is to complete steps 1,2 and your there. and if you ever kneed my help just aim me at

tylerbick
or msn me at tylerb1ck@msn.com

REMEMBER IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE THEASE WONDERFUL SKILLS, AND IT WORKS, I CARNT MEDITATE OR PROJECT AND IM 17, NO EDUCATION, NO GCSES, ITS YOUR RIGHT TO HOW FAR YOU GO IN LIFE.
just pm me if theres problems

samuel bicknell

i hope this has helped many of you to acheive your goals,i know many will not free there mind of the original programming at 1st but talk to me or Mayatnik, we will tutor you, just ask its free [8]
hapy days all

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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2003, 09:47:13 »

Sorry Seekinganswers, but I can't agree with your description of guides and how you can 'upset' them if you don't talk to them properly. You state that unless you talk to them with complete respect bordering on worship then they will go away. This is just not the case. Furthermore, you believe that if you offend them in some way then 'they are gone for good'.

From my experience (and others) of guides, this just isnt the case. Guides are not judgemental nor do they demand utmost respect or demand worship in any way. They are far more understanding than you give them credit for. They know more about you than you know about yourself, hense if you have a bad attitude towards them they will understand the underlying reasons why you have developed this attitude, they will not be 'offended'.
Likewise, it is certainly true that in such cases they may postpone further communications with you until you develop more, but you would never be abandoned in the ways that you describe!
The attitude you are describing is a phase, which even I can see. Guides would most certainly see it as that!

That aside, your words about the use of the pendulum are very useful!

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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2003, 10:46:18 »

LASHER –

I’m very sorry, but your query got overlooked when I was working my way through a sudden flood of posts that came in  to this thread – so, it got lost almost 2 pages back now in just a few hours.  So, I’ve copied down your post in it’s entirety below, to save having to refer back:

Thanks for all of the great info, Mayatnik!
Your posts made me very interested in trying this out for myself.
I surfed the web and found a company that makes quite nice pendulum boards that come with a crystal pendulum. I ordered one and I'm anxiously awaiting it's arrival

Here is a link to the site:
http://www.speakingwithspirits.com/newbackgroundstuff/halloween4gray/gallery.htmhttp://www.speakingwithspirits.com/newbackgroundstuff/halloween4gray/gallery.htm

Do you think that boards like these are okay to use?


I’ve visited the website and examined the pictures of the products there.  And here are my honest findings, based on my experience:

I notice that you live in the USA.  From many enquiries that I had I find would be Pendulum users in the USA have great difficulty in locating a shop where they can purchase Pendulums, and most there seem to opt for the Internet sites that sell them.  In the UK there are any number of shops (at least one in every town virtually) where Penudulums can be bought – some very cheaply, and others can be quite or very expensive.  All Pendulum will work, are pretty much the same to look at, and even the cheapest can be quite exquisite.  I personally shop around, because they can be bought from £5 (equiv. to $8) upwards (they all cost virtually the same to manufacture, whatever the asking price).  It would seem that in the USA, however, the sky’s the limit – and I’ve seen them on Internet sites for $200 (that’s about  £125 in round figures) – quite expensive one would imagine, unless hypnotized by the seductive advertising speil.  Notably, it claims to be extremely sensitive (whatever that means).  This may well seem the ideal model for those who have tried a cheaper Pendulum and who couldn’t get it to work.  And just think, how much pleasure it gives to the customer’s credit card company when when they charge it to his or her account.

Lasher has found a much cheaper website it would seem – and one gets a board as well as a stylish Pendulum on a chain.  Bargain !  Well, compared with $200 it is, anyway.  Let’s just read this glowing description…..

This pendulum board comes complete with a genuine Quartz Crystal Pendulum. (Styles vary, between 1-2 inches long, our choice.) Each one beautifully crafted to be the perfect weight and size to facilitate remarkably accurate readings

I have to be honest, I’m confused with this description.  How can a size which might be anything from 1 to 2 inches for the Pendulum, be the “perfect” weight and size to “facilitate REMARKABLY ACCURATE readings” ? (in addition to which confusion, is the fact that the site chooses the size they will post to the customer – depending on what is in stock, one would presume, since the customer doesn’t get a ‘try out’.

What is notable here, is the beguiling skill of the person who wrote the advert.  Beyond that, I find just an ordinary Pendulum that could be bought in the UK for about £7 (about $11.50) – they all work well.  All in all, though, not a bad price for a Pendulum on the Internet (even if you throw away the fancy board that comes with it).

There are a range of ‘Pendulum boards’ to choose from – all very pretty, and they have a layout of numbers, and ‘yes’ and ‘no’ printed on them, reminiscent of a ouija board (but no alphabet letters).  I can’t see any practical use for this board, since the Pendulum is so versatile that you would very soon be learning how to ‘design’ your own ‘board’.  Most Dowsers who use the Pendulum write with a felt tip pen on a piece of paper the particular type of thing they want the Pendulum to investigate, and another day will be something else.  For example, you could write a range of foods spread around the paper, and ask the Pendulum which would be the best for you if you think you have a food allergy, and many many more things limited only by the imagination (I might write more about that in another post, or members may have ideas themselves to offer to the Forum boards), and of course there is the possibility of writing the letters of the alphabet – the first thing you might want to do, but which the designers of this “beautifully crafted…to facilitate remarkably accurate readings” product seem to have overlooked… although they’ve included the helpful (?) words “doubtful” and “hopeful”.

Hopefully, they might improve the design, to make it more practical after the excitement of the first day playing with it.  As it stands, I personally would throw away the board, it being of no practical use to the serious investigative Pendulum user whatsoever.  And I would buy a ‘whiteboard’ to replace it – you know the sort, where you can write in felt tip and then wipe it clean ready for another ‘layout’ for the Pendulum to swing to and indicate a particular ‘choice’.  Because that would be very practical.  Perhaps the designers of these ‘Pendulum boards are not Pendulum users themselves, but just businessmen.  Who knows ?  The Pendulum would, if you ask it !

Hoping this review helps Lasher, and other members who might be browsing around looking for a Pendulum.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2003, 11:00:21 »

I guess I may be the 'hard core' one of the group? But I basically dove right in to what I perceive to be some tough questions whose answers are currently not considered to be concrete definitions on earth. Karma was one of them. Here are some of the questions I asked (in no particular order):

Is there such a thing as karma?
Do I have a lot of karmic debt left to pay-off?
Have I created additional karmic bonds currently in my present lifetime?
Is karma a term for cause and effect?
Are individuals required to reincarnate due to karmic bonds?

Feel free to ask whatever comes to your mind as you begin to receive answers. I'll post my responses for comparison once others have feedback.

Some of the answers to other questions I've received from it sounds seriously far-reaching/unbelievable. I'm a pretty bottom-line person and told my higher self/pendulum I thought what it was saying sounded way too improbable. It agreed with a Yes. (It has a pretty good sense of humor.) I also told it that I would need to verify much of what its telling me by asking others, it understood and said I should do that. So that's what prompted this message.

Thanks for any feedback you all receive.
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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2003, 14:23:41 »

Hi all!

I've been having a go at the pendulum stuff. I got a lump of bluetack (about as much as you need to stick one corner of a poster to the wall) and a 9 inch length of sewing thread.

I am amazed at how accurate it is at picking up known answers, i.e. is my name .....? am I 22? am I 103? do I live in ....?

I asked it some questions I reckon I know the answers to, but wanted to know if my subconscious had anything else to say. I.e. Am I gay? I wanted it to say no, and it did say no. But I'm wondering if that happened because I hoped it would say no, and I was worried what would happen if it said yes.

Also, something I'm ticked off about is when I asked it - 'Should I carry on making music?' it said no. Thing is I really enjoy doing that, although certain aspects of it to tinkle me off. I rephrased it - 'should I give up making music'. It said yes.

It's very intriguing.

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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2003, 14:32:54 »

Hey again,

I just asked it if I would have a lucid dream tonight, and it said yes! My subconscious controls whether I have a lucid dream, and my subconscious reckons I'll become lucid tonight! Bang on!

I'll let you know tomorrow if it came true.

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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2003, 16:08:39 »

hello all

I decided to spend a few hours playing with the pendulum. At first I was tempted to go "buy" a pre-made Pendulum, but as Mayatnik pointed out, anything will work.  I am still using a string and a metal clip for a weight, like you would find on a key chain. I would like to share a portion of my questions and experiences here today.

During this whole session I continued to verify what yes and no meant, and consistenlty got confirmation. I started by not knowing what to ask, actually just sat their staring at this piece of string hanging in front me LOL.  No offense Mayatnik,  but I started by asking if it was okay to ask about you.  I got a solid (yes). I asked is Mayatnik good (yes) Is Mayatnik Bad (no) Is Mayatnik truly a channeler (yes) Is it okay for me to have doubts (yes) will my doubts cause the pendulum to not work (no) will my doubts cause problems communicating with my spirit guide (yes) do I have a sprit guide (yes) is my guide here (no) am I making the pendulem move (searching) am I communicating with a guide (yes) could I be communicating better (yes) am I asking the right questions (searching) am i asking the wrong questions (no) is there something more specific I could be asking (yes) do I know what that is (no) will meditation help me to know (searching) am i meditating properly (no) is there something else I should be doing while meditating (yes) do I know what that is (no) will crystals help me (searching) will I meditate better with crystals (searching) will crystals help me focus in meditation (yes) do I have negative energy affecting me (no) did I have negative energy affect me as a child (yes) is this negative energy gone from my life (yes) will negative energy affect me now (searching) do I have positive energy  (yes) will me energy increase (searching) is my spirit  guide here (no) but there is a guide here (yes)

After a few hours of questions back and forth like this, I found it very easy to establish a rapport with the pendulum. Many answers were a solid yes, almost swinging 2-3 inches, other times a response would waver - or swing one inch in a yes/no, suggesting a maybe. This would lead to me rephrasing a question for a better response. This rapport started to take on almost like having a normal conversation with someone sitting there and the questions become more fluid, one answer always leading to another question.

I was very intrigued by all this and not sure about a lot of things right now.  Not to take it off topic but if I can share some of this, it might make it easier to understand. Earlier during the day I had the strangest experience with static electricity. I have always had a fair amount of it, and people often get a small shock when they touch me. earlier today, I approached the door to my apartment as I always do after school and when I held my key up to the door lock, All the hairs on my hand stood up. My hand was a good 4 inches from the door, and a blue spark went from my key to the door lock, causing a small crackle sound. I just kinda stood there, and thought WTF. It didnt hurt, just caused a sensation. I have never experienced anything to that extreme before.

I also had a very strange dream last night after all this. In the dream I was walking down a dirt road, a back alley. there were buildings and a wooden fence along one side. There were 2 native americans standing along the fence, dressed normally in street clothes. A third native american was only wearing a loincloth, and had tattoos/paint covering his body. (this was when I realized I was dreaming, indians dont walk around like that, and this was enough to jolt my sense of reality) As I approached them, the one with tattoo's picked up a LARGE knife from the ground, and threw it at me!

 I stood there and watched this large knife flying right at the center of my chest, I was petrified. I started to run/duck/hide or something, but I thought, why am I scared? This is a dream and I should be able to make the knife stop. So I decided to stand there. As the knife got closer, it suddenly stopped right in front of me and fell to the ground. I thought, OK.....he three it at me, I'll throw it back! I picked it up and threw it.  He smiled and caught it, he threw it back, this time the knife transformed into a small spinning metal disk. I caught the disc, like a frisbee. then it became a game of who could "will" the disc to perform the best trick.

After a few throws, he threw it at me and the disc enlarged to about 4 feet in diameter, but wasnt any more difficult to throw than the frisbee it was previously. After a few throws, I noticed there were geometric shapes forming on the LARGE disc, I stopped throwing to look at the disc but before I could look at the pattern in detail, I woke up! All I remember about the disc is that it had 5 thick black lines on it, originating from the center, and the disc was blue inside the lines, there were shapes and patterns inside the lines, but too small for me to discern before I woke up.

Okay, long post I know, but I had a lot of stuff to talk about.

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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2003, 17:34:39 »

okay, I did a search on the forums and it seems that I am not alone in experiencing an increased level of static electricity from raising energy levels and meditaton.

About my lucid dream, I am thinking of approaching the Pendulum to furthur analize what it could mean. I have the sense that I was communicating or performing some sort of ritual, and I am not sure of the "intent" or symbolism associated with the disc.

I also forgot to mention that during this lucid exchange, a crowd of people gathered to watch as we exchanged throws, with our getting a reaction from the crowd depending on how expansive of a "trick" the disc would perform during the throw. All in all a very interesting dream, and I am curious what the pendulum will say about it, or if it will "not' allow me to ask about the dream, as was the case when I brought up questions of the astral during my first two hours.

I will be going on vacation the next three weeks from school, so I will not be able to post my experiences as often as I would like. I have been using the internet at school and do not have it at home....... I am looking forward to catching up with everyone else's experiences when I get back from vacation

Thank you for the Pendulum Mayatnik, I will continue to explore this new rapport I have seemed to established, and good luck to everyone else in developing their own rapport with the Pendulum.

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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2003, 17:53:28 »

Thanks for the detailed post, Finn.

Interesting results from the pendulum.

Very interesting about the static electric shock too, especially in the context of your current focus.

The dream is what really got me though.  I'm no dream interpreter, but that dream struck me as a very positive sign.
From the overcoming fear aspect of it (turning back to face the knife), to the game with the indian which seemed to also be a sort of "exercise session" for your mental focus and control.  I'd be very interested to hear what others think about it.

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