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« Reply #425 on: September 16, 2003, 00:25:06 »

ahhh you have chosen well chill Smiley and i speak out of my ego and not my guide on this. I understand and feel your fear and stress. There is much to learned chill, you must understand that everything takes time, even love. I will ensure you that you will learn to embrace the light, for just posting that personal a post you've gotten a step closer. If you have MSN, please speak to me, my email is ivanhcwu@aol.com however if you have Aol Instant Messenger, my SN is atrwu3.

Chill, you must not worry about Mayatnik anymore. He forgives all and understand that many here in the forums live in the corners hiding from the light. We are here to shed the light and awaken all (or as many as possible Smiley) YOU MUST also understand that this is NOT a cult, neither are we trying to recruit as a cult does or bring you in as a religion does. We are simply here to help guide you in your journey and help you out on making the correct decisions.

Love be with all
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« Reply #426 on: September 16, 2003, 02:16:18 »

oh paaaaahlease!
 
   Spirituality is about discernment ---always. That's not the Light, fellas.  

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« Reply #427 on: September 16, 2003, 02:30:01 »

if thats what you believe...how can you define spirituality? its different for everyone.
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« Reply #428 on: September 16, 2003, 02:31:04 »

[Smiley] be happy
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« Reply #429 on: September 25, 2003, 17:50:03 »

Check out this log from Silent John's talk with Mayatnik ... it's a great read. You'll see various methods used to improve the telepathy contact at first, which is always done working closely together, which means both persons and both guides. And it's even more successful if the 'student' goes along with it and just jumps on the train, and the more he participates himself, the more his guide can come in, as can be seen here; there are quite a few interesting points which will transpire through this conversation to the readers mind. I had a few good laughs here... it's so interesting to see the different personalities of all the guides... so have fun reading this Smiley



"The following transcript follows on from a long MSN Messenger conversation I had with Silent John, who had contacted me.  He had asked me many questions about guides, and the Zeta in particular, but I had told him that if he was to be given a guide (and that was not up to me, but would only be done if and when the guides felt he was ‘ready’) then it would most likely be a Pleiadian guide, and that these things should not be rushed but just to ‘go with the flow’.  After much conversation in general, my guide Karek told me I could proceed to offer telepathy training to Silent John (even though he did not have an assigned guide, he had – as I had ascertained from Karek – a ‘monitor’ guide, and that guide felt that we could proceed to introduce him and for Silent John to start to build a telepathic ‘rapport’.

The following transcript of the Training Session illustrates that everone is different, so the guides work with the situation, and I worked closely with the guide who was with Silent John throughout the session to verify that he was in fact receiving correctly and to assist the guide in keeping John’s focus.  Working in this manner is essential to obtain the best progress for the individual, tailored for that and to ensure that the telepathy is correct at all times.  The full Telepathy Training Session is reproduced exactly as it occurred, for the reader to see how it is done and to evaluate the situation directly as perceived by the student, Silent John."


Mayatnik in red
Silent John in blue
Raez, the actual monitor guide of Silent John, in Maroon! <- innovation [Smiley]



MAYATNIK says:
I mentioned a while back, did you want to try something with the monitor guide that is there with you at the moment.
Silent John says:
sure
MAYATNIK says:
It was just that you didn't respond to that.. we can try something........it depends on your ability to focus.... that is, not have any distractions (other windows or people around etc)
Silent John says:
i have no distractions
MAYATNIK says:
Ok........ well your guide can put things into your mind...... pictures, being a simple starter... so, would you like to receive some pictures?
Silent John says:
surely
MAYATNIK says:
Ok.  Simply be aware that the guide is there.  And for this, the guide will put some simple shapes into you mind.  All you have to do is to ask the guide, "Can you give me a shape picture please?" .......and then describe (by typing it here) what you receive.
Silent John says:
three triangles
Silent John says:
lots of triangles
MAYATNIK says:
Do that as soon as you see the picture. do NOT think about it, just do it.
Silent John says:
ever expanding amounts of triangles
MAYATNIK says:
Ok..that's fine.
MAYATNIK says:
Now,  we can try a differen picture.  Ask again.
Silent John says:
i have conflict with "asking"
Silent John says:
i dont understand
Silent John says:
shouldn't the thought be enough?
MAYATNIK says:
That is why we are doing it
MAYATNIK says:
It helps to 'formalise' it at the moment.....that in itself strengthens the link, and therefore the consistent reception.
Silent John says:
waterfalls, grass, river.. birds..
MAYATNIK says:
Yes ... that 's  ok.
Silent John says:
its more in depth than taht, but i couldn't think of how to describe it
MAYATNIK says:
So, we can proceed now to something constructive along those lines..........
MAYATNIK says:
The guide is going to present to you a series of numbers... these will be as 'shapes'......they may be 3-D, and may be of any material......but they will be of various colours (even different edge-colours sometimes) and may be on a coloured background to the number.......... I want you to ASK for the next number each time....and then TYPE IMMEDIATELY what you see, describing it step by step.......
MAYATNIK says:
number, colour of it, edge, material, background.....in whatever order........ok?
MAYATNIK says:
When you are ready.
Silent John says:
ok, whats intersting though is as i read the exercise, i already start to "see" things
Silent John says:
and its tough for me to be "clear"
Silent John says:
after taht
MAYATNIK says:
This is an exercise to become clear
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
here i go
Silent John says:
green four gold edges red background
Silent John says:
3d
MAYATNIK says:
You will get the images very fast, just take them and describe........what number?
MAYATNIK says:
4?
Silent John says:
it was
MAYATNIK says:
That was ok.
Silent John says:
now its going to "1"
Silent John says:
blue 6
MAYATNIK says:
Anything special about the 6 or anything?
Silent John says:
no
Silent John says:
let me ask
MAYATNIK says:
ok
Silent John says:
green background fading up?
MAYATNIK says:
Yes........was the number 'straight' for example?
Silent John says:
yellow stars in the background
Silent John says:
yes
MAYATNIK says:
yes
MAYATNIK says:
ok..... it's just a matter of practicing these more....so keep going.......next one.
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
17, lighter blue
Silent John says:
asking for more detail
Silent John says:
its 3d
MAYATNIK says:
excellent
Silent John says:
gold edges, stars in background
Silent John says:
red 40?
MAYATNIK says:
yes
Silent John says:
wow
Silent John says:
it came up as "4d"
MAYATNIK says:
Just have confidence
Silent John says:
now its squiggly yellow
Silent John says:
and moving
Silent John says:
now going the other wya
Silent John says:
bouncing
Silent John says:
shaking
Silent John says:
thats it for 40?
MAYATNIK says:
That will do fine.
Silent John says:
ok
MAYATNIK says:
The guide is happy with that
Silent John says:
yellow smiley face
Silent John says:
like online : - )
Silent John says:
it faded in
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.
Silent John says:
winking
Silent John says:
now it has a body
Silent John says:
and is walking
Silent John says:
to the right
Silent John says:
but only the background is moving
Silent John says:
it waved
MAYATNIK says:
K That is fine.
MAYATNIK says:
We are ready for the next stage now
Silent John says:
nice
MAYATNIK says:
Ok.......this will be in the form of a 'game', it will be a version of 'hide and seek' if you like....but in this, the guide will actually TELL you where he is....and you have to type what he says (what comes into your head, immediately from him)...... and when you have it correctly, then he will move on to another place.......it could be anywhere, near, far, or very close by in the room even.
MAYATNIK says:
Just ask, "Where are you now, please?"
Silent John says:
behind the desk
Silent John says:
(waits for your message)
MAYATNIK says:
If you are unsure about what you receive, then ask for it to be repeated)....and type EXACTLY word for word what is said...... the last one was ok.. Ask the guide to continue now.
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
in the teapot
MAYATNIK says:
yes
Silent John says:
in the house
Silent John says:
in the bacon
Silent John says:
in the hospital
Silent John says:
in the concealment chamber
MAYATNIK says:
The guide will confirm if you have recieved correctly..so I'll just watch for now.
Silent John says:
in the bookkeepr's addict
Silent John says:
in the lingerie musem
Silent John says:
in the lounge chair
Silent John says:
in the hospital
Silent John says:
in the doctor's office
Silent John says:
in teh can
Silent John says:
no
Silent John says:
lol
Silent John says:
above you
Silent John says:
behind you
Silent John says:
in the hospital
Silent John says:
am I doing alright?
MAYATNIK says:
Yes.....you're doing fine.
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
i don't know how to tell
Silent John says:
hospital keeps comming up
Silent John says:
for some reason
Silent John says:
in the hospital in the backyard in the trashcan's mouth
MAYATNIK says:
You can ask your guide, "Did I hear correctly"..........yes, the hospitial was put in deliberately.
Silent John says:
in the book-keeprs oven
Silent John says:
yes
Silent John says:
the hospital again
MAYATNIK says:
Now.......the guide has a name..... His name is REAZ. So, ask your guide, to make sure, "Is your name REAZ?" please
Silent John says:
"yeaz"
Silent John says:
lol
MAYATNIK says:
Reaz
Silent John says:
yeaz?
MAYATNIK says:
Is that what you are hearing?
Silent John says:
let me check
Silent John says:
no its randolph
MAYATNIK says:
No.  It is Reaz, with a sense of humour
Silent John says:
hehe
Silent John says:
he keeps rhyming about randolph this and taht
MAYATNIK says:
As long as it isn't Rudolph
Silent John says:
i asked hello and he said "hi how are you"
MAYATNIK says:
Excellent......you are making friends............
Silent John says:
and my 3rd eye is "active"
MAYATNIK says:
so write your replies in the form
R: hi, how are you
Silent John says:
he wants to show me the hospital
Silent John says:
Huh
MAYATNIK says:
Ok...then go with him.....and he'll talk to you.
Silent John says:
ok
MAYATNIK says:
WRite EVERYTHING down, as it occurs
Silent John says:
R: here is the hospital, we have may forms
Silent John says:
R: i am here as your guide replacement until the other ones appointed to you arrive
Silent John says:
silentjohn you are the medic
Silent John says:
you will heal as needed and continue on your pgoress
Silent John says:
its getting fuzzy now
Silent John says:
i want to restart, but i don't want to irritate reaz
Silent John says:
hes happy though
MAYATNIK says:
Ask for confirmation for anything you don't hear clearly.......you are slightly stuffed-up in your telepathic hearing as yet, so you will imporve......you are already doing very well.....just talk to him, and write both what YOU say and his replies please.
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
i will try
Silent John says:
raez, where do we go from here
Silent John says:
reaz: we will continue on this path, follow me please
Silent John says:
reaz: there is lots to show you, and im glad we are now communicating better
Silent John says:
me: reaz., is it possilbe you could clarify about the medic
Silent John says:
reaz: the medic is just a term for healer, but the healing is very unique, in the sense that its not your conditional, classic view of "healing"
Silent John says:
what do you mean then?
Silent John says:
reaz: the munkies swallow moonlight.. er.. (clarify) what i mean is, you are of an ordaned order that has been to earth many times.. im messing with you, its too unclear to continue right now
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
he wants me to tell you we are going to play more games
Silent John says:
get better situated
MAYATNIK says:
Yes...... it is time to practice further
MAYATNIK says:
You can tell me what you and he says, as you proceed in this.
Silent John says:
he thanks me for my encouragement, and effort i am putting through, most people don't try so hard so early
Silent John says:
R: tell him that for now, the games will continue, i need your attention, don't worry about mayatnik!
MAYATNIK says:
K That is true
MAYATNIK says:
JUst write down EVERY THING - that is important
Silent John says:
its very jumbled right now
Silent John says:
i would like your help again, mayatnik, to play the games. I am not yet ready for direct contact
Silent John says:
raez says this is ok, but don't regress too much
MAYATNIK says:
Ok....... it is just a matter of confidence....and also writing down EVERYTHING is part of the practice.
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
the thoughts move very quickly though
Silent John says:
raez: we are still in the hospital
MAYATNIK says:
We are going to go for a 'walk'......you will see things, and Reaz will describe them..but most of all, I want you to ASK about the things you see to Rez... the 'thoughts' are what you receive (along with pictures, which are telepathically transmitted)....so off you go.....tell me what you see and 'hear'.....and ask about evertyhing.
Silent John says:
the scene i saw earlier, is outside the window
Silent John says:
we're going there
MAYATNIK says:
ok
Silent John says:
hes pointing out trees
Silent John says:
thats a fir douglas he says
MAYATNIK says:
yes
Silent John says:
raez is laughing because im just staring at the tree
Silent John says:
hes pulling on me to continue
MAYATNIK says:
This is it......they have a light-humour
Silent John says:
we're walking down the path and he is pleased that i am continuing, but i keep pausing
Silent John says:
this makes them laugh cause im being so silly to their eyes
MAYATNIK says:
You're going for a walk with a guide.a new experience.
Silent John says:
we are really getting strong noW! reaz says!
Silent John says:
R: notice my enthusiasm.. jeesh john
Silent John says:
raez rolled his eyes
Silent John says:
im appologizing cause i am pausing because i have to in order to type
MAYATNIK says:
lol......that's right !
Silent John says:
thankyou so much
Silent John says:
raez and everyone
MAYATNIK says:
It is part of the training to type....it keeps you on track
Silent John says:
we are going down the path
Silent John says:
and into a cave
Silent John says:
the one i drew today
Silent John says:
we are sitting down
Silent John says:
in a circle
Silent John says:
just me and him
Silent John says:
but its the tradition
Silent John says:
there are others there?
Silent John says:
im not as connected with them
Silent John says:
but i know they are there
Silent John says:
raez is busy preparing something
Silent John says:
we're smoking a bowl of something from his pipe
Silent John says:
i ask about the pipe
Silent John says:
raez: this is my pipe, handed down generations ago.. haha yeah sure. nah its just to please you
Silent John says:
to feel connected you know?
Silent John says:
raez wants to take me someplace else
Silent John says:
so we leave the cave and head towards some water
MAYATNIK says:
ok
Silent John says:
i ask raez where we are going
Silent John says:
raez says something unclear
Silent John says:
R: to this river, look at the stones.. walk on them with me
Silent John says:
i follow, i take note of the stones
Silent John says:
we are staring down the river now..
Silent John says:
raez: good, lets go
Silent John says:
raez: yes i was jsut seeing if you were paying attention quit typing and lets go lol, and now, im not "loling" thats you so cut it out
Silent John says:
i'd like to take a break and talk raez
Silent John says:
raez: ok about what
Silent John says:
raez seems impatient
Silent John says:
he really wants to take me somewhere important
Silent John says:
i think i need time to settle into this for awhile first, raez
Silent John says:
raez: thts fine
Silent John says:
brb, gunna take a leak
MAYATNIK says:
Ok
Silent John says:
ok i am back
Silent John says:
and still with raez
Silent John says:
we never left
Silent John says:
but the flow isn't as strong, i can tell he is trying to interact with me
Silent John says:
raez wants me to jump into the ocean
Silent John says:
i asked him why and he said because there is more to show you
MAYATNIK says:
It is all about 'interaction' and senseing his personality at the moment.
MAYATNIK says:
It is also about discovering 'new horizons' that are not in the physical sense purely.
Silent John says:
im seeing a lot
Silent John says:
but nothing strong enough to identify as raez
Silent John says:
can i go and lay in my bed, and escape the typing for a little bit as raez takes me on this path, he says yes
MAYATNIK says:
It is building up.
Silent John says:
but he would love for me to continue typing
MAYATNIK says:
You can do what ever you feel, this can continue when I am not here.....but for the 'lessons' it is important to type everything.
MAYATNIK says:
That will progress you the fastest.
Silent John says:
raez knows this
Silent John says:
and is eager to take potential to its fullest
Silent John says:
he is nodding like it is the obvious choice to stay and type
Silent John says:
and hes very much waiting for me to go into tthe water with him
MAYATNIK says:
I am also checking everything to ensure it is all correct.
Silent John says:
alright
Silent John says:
we enter the water
Silent John says:
he points out a pearl in a clam, because i had chosen to see it earlier
Silent John says:
he got upset because i was making an assumption about what hes trying to teach me.. and he doesn't like this either, hes merely taking me on a walk!!!
Silent John says:
raez: john, calm down, just follow me
Silent John says:
i follow him into the ocean
Silent John says:
we are swimming together and he is in the lead, we are picking up speed and zooming now through a lot of ups and downs
Silent John says:
there is darkness ahead of us that if you were 3rd party, it'd be like we were "chasing the darkness"
Silent John says:
raez wnats to say that john is doing very well now
MAYATNIK says:
I know....I'm following you closely
Silent John says:
raez is eager to show me new things
Silent John says:
he can tell the following is getting boring
Silent John says:
raez and I are doing physical things?
Silent John says:
pushing exercises
Silent John says:
its all going very fast
Silent John says:
raez please slow down
Silent John says:
haha
Silent John says:
hes being very silly because im being so silly
Silent John says:
we never stopped doing the pushing thing, i zoned out and said "Slow down!" and he wa like "oooooo-k"
MAYATNIK says:
lol
Silent John says:
raez says we should take a break
Silent John says:
raez and wrap up this current exercise
Silent John says:
we
MAYATNIK says:
Yes....he's saying you are back at the keyboard now.
Silent John says:
yeah
Silent John says:
hes got stuff to do
MAYATNIK says:
What is he going to do?
Silent John says:
but hes still watching me
Silent John says:
thats what he has to do
Silent John says:
we have more rapport now
Silent John says:
i can sense him behind me
MAYATNIK says:
So, now you have experienced your guide..and you are making friends.
Silent John says:
for a short while, it was very very amazing, when i had the most focus
Silent John says:
turning the music off helped
MAYATNIK says:
It is simply a matter of 'going with the flow'...with just what comes in......and that's all there is to it.....no 'methods', just communicate
MAYATNIK says:
You will eventually find you can communicate in all situations, not just when quiet....but at the moment you are learning to quietly focus
MAYATNIK says:
.....no effort, just focus
Silent John says:
i cant help but feel him now
MAYATNIK says:
This is how it will be from now on.
Silent John says:
nice
Silent John says:
thats rather interesting
Silent John says:
i asked him to sspeak up when its important, and he said he can only be as loud as my awareness lets him
MAYATNIK says:
It has to be when they feel you are ready, so that's why we had to talk for a long while first.
Silent John says:
ah
Silent John says:
was that the peak of the night?
Silent John says:
raez says hes always the peak, lol
MAYATNIK says:
awareness is simply having the 'door' open to him.
MAYATNIK says:
Can you try to give me the DIRECT speech, not the 3rd person reported speech......so "Raez says he's always the peak" is not reporting exactly the personality.. let's hear the exact words.
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
raez says "give john a break, hes cool"
MAYATNIK says:
This is for a purpose
MAYATNIK says:
lol
MAYATNIK says:
I know
Silent John says:
raez: he is still learning, and is fantasizing about pleadian  guides"
MAYATNIK says:
Raez, can you tell him something about this
Silent John says:
raez: he realises he has yet to grow the discernment between fantasy and fact, when it comes to telepathy
Silent John says:
raez: he gets it, hes just a little tricky
MAYATNIK says:
Yes, that is why we have to keep the practice in this manner.
Silent John says:
raez: mmhmm, he wants me to come to him in his dreams, but i can't guarantee he'll remember me
MAYATNIK says:
Exactly.  
Silent John says:
raez: im glad someone out there cares about my personality, wink wink, john john,
Silent John says:
raeZ: hehe
MAYATNIK says:
lol
Silent John says:
raez: hes getting it now
Silent John says:
raez: getting clearer
Silent John says:
yeah, its weird to talk as me now, its a different experience
MAYATNIK says:
Bring the personality in as much as you can, and it will strengthen that way.
Silent John says:
raez: there is so much more in store, oodles and oodles galore.
Silent John says:
raez: hes right, and hes doing it too.
Silent John says:
raez: nah, im not bruce lee
Silent John says:
raez: I am raez the greatest greatest ever greatest and even greater
MAYATNIK says:
and still expanding......lol
Silent John says:
raez: haha, put that in your pipe and smoke it
Silent John says:
raez: just for kicks man, don't take any offense, you know, im a cool guy, but i still like to mess with teh zoney ones..
Silent John says:
hes very relaxed and nonchalant about hsi job, but still is focused
Silent John says:
haha
Silent John says:
hes mocking me
Silent John says:
raez: type it out, fool
Silent John says:
raez: hehe munkie brains
MAYATNIK says:
Very much pleiadian
Silent John says:
raez: humans never understand our humor, they're always obsessed, like john is here, with defining it, rather than joining the fun,
Silent John says:
raez: i need some butt, haha.. yeah im a trouble maker
Silent John says:
raez: you need more trouble in your life anyhow
MAYATNIK says:
I've had lots of practice with that, with Karek.
Silent John says:
raez: you've been very concerned with defining and embracing reality, mark my words we'll make a new man outta you
Silent John says:
raez: its ok john, its only because i have a lot to say, you havn't gone anywhere
MAYATNIK says:
You're going to horizons you never dreamed of !
Silent John says:
raez: yyyeahhh buddy
Silent John says:
raez: hes askig me about his girlfriend and stuff
Silent John says:
raez: if one of us won't let them know whats going on, one of us will
Silent John says:
hes chewing on an apple like he owns the world
MAYATNIK says:
All wil come out
MAYATNIK says:
- pips and all
Silent John says:
and hes insulted by my observation
Silent John says:
haha
Silent John says:
raez: not insulted, surprised
Silent John says:
raez: you can get your own apple if you want its a free life
Silent John says:
raez: world, baby, word
MAYATNIK says:
You see, closer than John realised you could be.
Silent John says:
raez: haha
Silent John says:
raez: nah not split personality disorder, think of it as cosmic rights
Silent John says:
raez: im pleadian to the bown, its obviously shown, in out, quit your pout
MAYATNIK says:
This will be fun for John in college, with you around.
Silent John says:
raez: yeah im no spelling king
Silent John says:
raez: HAHA damn skippy, hes a little apprehensive of that, so i won't be too outlandish
Silent John says:
raez: its intersting yeah it is how im the quiet one, surprsingly enough that was your thought
Silent John says:
ok i'll speak up
Silent John says:
raez: good
Silent John says:
raez: keep the monkey pumping
Silent John says:
haha
Silent John says:
man raez is so loud
Silent John says:
raez: WELL YOU WON"T SAY ANYTHING
Silent John says:
raez: this is what you wanted.. this is what you're getting///
Silent John says:
john: bad tool impression
Silent John says:
raez: gimmie a break im not even human
Silent John says:
john: yeah im getting it now
MAYATNIK says:
Great
Silent John says:
raez: yeah, for those of you out there watching this beautiful act, john is learning how to speak up again
Silent John says:
raez: oh yeajjjjjjj
Silent John says:
ok
MAYATNIK says:
applause
Silent John says:
i aske dhim to be a little quiet, but hes still goofin off
Silent John says:
haha
Silent John says:
man hes fun
Silent John says:
raez: you know it
Silent John says:
raez: ill take over from time to time when you need that special oh so special raez shine
Silent John says:
i guess thats cool
Silent John says:
raez: yeah, get used to it
MAYATNIK says:
You'll find out
Silent John says:
raez: im not even your real guide
Silent John says:
raez: im here to pass the time
MAYATNIK says:
You'll be around for a bit yet?
Silent John says:
raez: a little bit
Silent John says:
raez: but not too long
MAYATNIK says:
Things can progress FAST
Silent John says:
raez: you know it
Silent John says:
raez: john is pretty eager too
MAYATNIK says:
i sure do
Silent John says:
raez: haha hes like "Man you guys aren't going to enslave us or something are you?"
Silent John says:
hahah
Silent John says:
raez: yeah, its a little in your face isn't it?
MAYATNIK says:
He's got plenty to learn
Silent John says:
raez: more than most, but less than the best
Silent John says:
raez: hes quite an accelerated munkie
MAYATNIK says:
He just needs to go with it, and it will all happen
Silent John says:
raez: yeah, we definiately got a winner here
Silent John says:
raez: im surprised
Silent John says:
raez: at first i was like "what"
MAYATNIK says:
The window opened, and John came through !
Silent John says:
raez: hahahaaha
Silent John says:
raez: my name isn't rahzell but call me what you want
Silent John says:
i dunno why that popped into mind
Silent John says:
raez: cause i wanna listen to him
Silent John says:
raez: noise maker, woot
Silent John says:
raez: haha yes
Silent John says:
man they like music, at least raez does
MAYATNIK says:
Give me your remarks to Reaz please, too.
Silent John says:
ok
Silent John says:
i'll try
Silent John says:
raez: hes a newbie man, but at least hes entertaining
MAYATNIK says:
It's about 'focus'
Silent John says:
raez: im showin him my groove
Silent John says:
raez: hold up
Silent John says:
im just kind of in awe, mayatnik, im not saying much
MAYATNIK says:
You're doing great
Silent John says:
its ..
Silent John says:
more than i thought it'd be
Silent John says:
raez: it always is
MAYATNIK says:
And this is ONLY the beginning !
Silent John says:
man
Silent John says:
raez: you heard right
Silent John says:
raeZ: the world is yours BOIiiiiiii
Silent John says:
raez: at least in a personal perspective
Silent John says:
i asked him if he wanted to make some music with me
Silent John says:
and he'd rather just chill
Silent John says:
hes not a big music maker
Silent John says:
big listener though
MAYATNIK says:
You will see further than you have ever dreamed
Silent John says:
raez: this kid is tight
Silent John says:
raez: thanks guys
MAYATNIK says:
Raez, can you tell John a little more about the Pleiadians, and how they monitor?
Silent John says:
raez: im dancin fool
MAYATNIK says:
lol
Silent John says:
raez: basically its pretty elite, turn the music off please
MAYATNIK says:
YOu are versatile and showing it
MAYATNIK says:
Now the teacher comes out
Silent John says:
raez: the pledians are the gurus right now, we are watching it all unfold
Silent John says:
raez: yes, im a scholar now
Silent John says:
raez: glasses and all
MAYATNIK says:
Well, the teacher was there all the time...John doesn['t realise it
Silent John says:
raez: john won't speak up, its all too fast for the switching, so i'll just lay it out
Silent John says:
raez: we have many abilities, pleadians, including yes, perception control
Silent John says:
raez: we like to have fun, and get funky with our munky
Silent John says:
raez: yes, its true, we all have personalities, most people don't expect that.. they expect us all to be scientific "WE ARE FROM GALXY qb 13"
Silent John says:
raez: "GIVE US YOUR HAM AND WE WILL TRANSMUTE IT INTO GLORIOUS HOLINDAY SAUCE"
Silent John says:
raez: but this excrement is real ya'll
Silent John says:
raez: hey are you gunna post my beautifull lyricism up on astral pulse?
Silent John says:
raez: aww damn, gettin funky
MAYATNIK says:
That is the plan you mentioned at the start to me
Silent John says:
john: hah im playing music, hope yo guys don't mind
Silent John says:
raez: its cool
MAYATNIK says:
John will be 'published'
Silent John says:
raez: i might have to bust a move so watch out
Silent John says:
raez: yeah thats what im sayin its a good one
Silent John says:
raez: people will believe know what I mean?
MAYATNIK says:
It is 'real'........it is happening
Silent John says:
reaz: always
Silent John says:
raez: grr, spell my name man, its for the record
Silent John says:
raez: im a big fan of scratching and booty music, funky stuff,
Silent John says:
raez: earth has some great excrement
Silent John says:
raez: I also inquire about IDM
Silent John says:
this guy is so silly
Silent John says:
haha
MAYATNIK says:
You don't know him, yet
Silent John says:
raez: thats true
Silent John says:
raez: i'll unleash myself slowly
Silent John says:
raez: im acting all goofy to keep you up and about know what i mean, its rather simple, you needed a party, and i brought it
Silent John says:
you guys are cool
Silent John says:
raez: thankyou and goodnight! nah im stain
Silent John says:
raez: haah stain. Staying.
Silent John says:
raez: we will respect whoever we are guiding
Silent John says:
raez: i want people to know that
Silent John says:
raez: there is nothing to feer, so bring some beer
Silent John says:
raez: john is noticing our typing is different, feer, beer.. its just the pleadian in me.. john would have typed fear..
Silent John says:
raez: we of course, aren't spelling experts of your english language
MAYATNIK says:
When this goes up then raez will be spelled Raez --- capital letter......don't know about the other words and their spelling
MAYATNIK says:
I GOT CUT OFF.......
Silent John says:
raez: phonetics
Silent John says:
raez: whachu need brah?
MAYATNIK says:
LAST MESSAGE WAS.. Silent John says:
raez: we of course, aren't spelling experts of your english language

Silent John says:
raez: john asked me about the translastion machine computer device, and the deal is.. its a hassle to use
Silent John says:
raez: its like, for example, you guys using some program that just won't do what it wants you to, for unknown mysterious reasons.
MAYATNIK says:
It needs a lot of practice
Silent John says:
raez: yeah, well, don't get me wrong i can rock it right.. notice my accents and ethinic skills? What im sayin is that sometimes it just won't cooperate.
Silent John says:
raez: 'rhyming' especially
Silent John says:
raez: stuff like fear, bear,  or .. feer.. beer
MAYATNIK says:
It is much much cleverer than Microsoft's XP....but maybe I shouldn't even mention Microsoft in the same breath.
Silent John says:
hahaa
Silent John says:
hmm
Silent John says:
any questions for raez
Silent John says:
raez: oh man don't test me or somethin
Silent John says:
raez: i've changed formats
Silent John says:
Raez: If you need assistance, i can also provide that john
Silent John says:
Raez: don't limit my he
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« Reply #430 on: September 26, 2003, 01:13:38 »

[Smiley]

Nice work SilentJohn! [Cheesy]  Sounds like you had a fun day!

Well I thought I'd just be the first to say congrats.  Soo...

Congrats.  [Wink]

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« Reply #431 on: September 26, 2003, 13:57:23 »

yeah i also find the zeta kinda boring...lol [Cheesy]

great job doods!

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« Reply #432 on: September 26, 2003, 16:42:24 »

Hi,

I have to admit, Raez is a little too funky for my personal taste.  I guess maybe I'm too anal or something, but I don't think I would be comfortable with a guide like Raez.  [Cheesy]

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« Reply #433 on: September 26, 2003, 17:01:50 »

Keep in mind everyone, that it was just for the sake of the initial greeting. His actual personality is much different, only in the sense that he was "playing" or "acting" I guess you could see it.

I've talked with him about 2 times since then, each time getting a more solid feel of his identity.

It's rather interesting whats been going on. After establishing a telepathic link for maybe 15 good minutes, my awareness shifts somewhere else, and I am aware that I am telepathically communicating with my body. It was rather weird at first, but after getting used to it, I actually prefer it!

So much is anchored to the physical vehicle as "self" and once you experience more than that, things are never the same, thats for sure.

So far, in my minds eye, Reaz has been "appearing" in a slightly lower than middle, and left area.. Whereas when I am aware that I am "communicating with self" it's a much more upper and towards the right area.

This new awarness has brought to mind ideas like remote viewing, and whatnot, and I plan to experiment with it all more!!!!

From Reaz and I both, we wish you happiness.


**UPDATE**

I also thought I should mention, that the more "away" from myself I get in a session with Reaz, the more it feels he is "in" my body. I like this effect as it makes our link much clearer, as far as what he is saying, and we've also been practicing awareness with my body as it were.  Lately, I've been practicing staying-put while still feeling the strong connection. It gets easier each time, and my minds eye keeps getting clearer.

peace!
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« Reply #434 on: October 01, 2003, 23:38:14 »

Wow thats a long post and this is VERY long in pages!

I never hang here, im in the OBE/AP forums 99% of the time but never here.
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« Reply #435 on: November 30, 2003, 14:20:36 »

Hello

I'm just getting started with my own pendulum; it isn't too late to be asking beginner questions in this thread, is it?

I apologise if my questions have already been answered - I have read about 18 pages of this thread so far but I don't think I'll be repeating anything.

I've been having very little success with my pendulum, but I think I know why.  I asked if using a different pendant would be better, and received an affirmative response (this was one of the few times the response was clear).  As a result, I'm not expecting too many more results until the crystal pendant I have ordered arrives.

What I want to know in the meantime is whether I should 'prepare' the being I'm in contact with for the change?  Will it be received well?  Should I ask it if it would approve of the crystal?  Will I even be speaking with the same being after the change?  I'm also assuming that the ritual will need to be performed again?

Lastly, I had another thought on my mainly unconvincing results.  At the moment, the pendant I'm using is attached to a leather thong which has, over the years, become a bit warped or twisted or something; might this be at least partially responsible?  My new pendant will be attached to a fine silver chain, so hopefully things will be much better.

Thanks very much in advance! [Smiley]

EDIT:
Updated.  I just asked if the being's responses would be more accurate after changing pendants and it said no, but then I asked if I would interpret its answers better, it said yes.  I then asked if it was even worth continuing to use my current pendant at all, and was told no.  I wouldn't have thought that something so fundamental as that would be used to test me, and that the being really doesn't want to talk to me until I get a better pendant?  That's fine by me because I will get one in a couple of days hopefully, but I'd still like a bit of clarification on this if possible.
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« Reply #436 on: November 30, 2003, 19:46:11 »

Hi Huwie, welcome to the forum.

The material the pendulum is made of is not evrly important. Giving the weight or the "bob" of the pendulum good freedom of movement is.

Chrystals are typically a favourite material because of the affinity we can gain with them. As crystals are able to work with or modify the subtle energies of our body, they are usually favoured for use in this area.

Be careful though to prepare a crystal properly first. It is commonly believed that they can carry "imprints" of the energy of people who have handled it before you get it. A well known cleansing method is to leave it sitting in a dish of sea water, or fresh water with sea salt mixed in for a few days. Rinse it under running water after and it should be ready for use. After it has been cleansed, use the preparation routine Mayatnik described in his first post.

As I mentioned, free motion is the most important thing. I'd possibly avoid using something on a leather strap. I have done so myself, using my personal amethyst crystal is on a leather necklace, and it doesn't move freely enough to produce good results. I ended up turning to another clear quartz crystal I had and attached a light metal chain to it.

With this is mind you could just as easily use a piece of wood and some cotton thread. As long as it is balanced well enough that you can get a definite swing going, and bring it back to a complete stop, it will work. Length is not really important - it is what is comfortable for you to use.

As for the entity you are already communicating with, changing the pendulum should make no difference here. It is just a tool for communications. It would be no different to replaceing your old phone with a new one, possibly the signal might be clearer, but you'll still talk to the same people.

Regards,
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« Reply #437 on: December 01, 2003, 02:16:47 »

Cool, thanks for the info James.  I will be using a crystal as I have already ordered one.  I hope whoever I'm talking to likes it better than the last pendant I have been using!
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« Reply #438 on: December 02, 2003, 15:33:55 »

Hello all
In this post i will show a transcript between Truthseeker, myself and our guides. We were trying to communicate with each other over telepathy and got a somewhat unexpected experience out of it. The transcript is not exactly new, but i think it demonstrates how well guides can work together.

T: Back.
T: Things are great I think.. Not too good at chatting with him.. Sad But I get things done..
F: okay
T: How about you?
F: been tired so communication has not been good
T: Been there..
T: I admire your communication though.. They way you discuss things.. That word-game..
F: Smiley
F: i got the word fork today, i had nothing to talk about....except food...
F: heheh
T: Hehe
F: hard subject
F: but then you can allways talk about animals and watch the show
F: heheheh
F: i love animals (L)
T: So you just ask Jopeha to give you a word right?
F: yep
F: then a word comes to mind
F: then i verify
N: Teaspoon (gentle smile)
F: then try to ask something about that word/subject
F: hehehe
F: you could ask about chinese herbal the
F: if its healthy ? can it be substituted for medications
F: etc
F: get the ball rolling Cheesy
T: I find it hard to roll the ball..
F: hehe yeah well, then ask for another word or suggest something
F: i have difficulty finding something to talk about so i ask for a word
F: ask for a difficult word
F: or a picture if you like that better
T: Well are you up for a small "test" to see if we can get the same picture?
F: explain the test
F: lol
T: hehe
T: We ask the gudes to show us the same picture, and see what we get
F: okay
T: I get a koala.. Tongue
F: hahaha
F: in a tree
F: look at my profile pic
T: That's waht I saw Tongue
F: my guide told me that she send you a picture of the koala
F: hahah
T: Tongue
F: i got the picture with more details
F: bigger tree
T: Well let's try again then.. Lets just write down everything we get and type it in another window(like notepad), then we say when we are ready. Then we post it here..
F: okay
F: we should take some time for this
F: im a bit tired, so i need some concentration
F: yep i got it
F: say when your ready to paste !
T: Ready
F: go
F: its a picture of a panda laying on its back on the grass with a fuzzy belly, its got a paw with some bambus in it which is pinkish or red. Its chewing on the bambus.
T: Water, a sea. An island with green trees on the left.. There are koalas in the trees(hehe), coconuts. Many types of fish swim in the sea, glittering in many colors(green, blue, violet). The Sea gets lighter and lighter(colour) and the sky gets blue(It was darker). There are monkeys somewhere, on the ground between the trees. They are collecting something, food. There are dolphins here, and whales.. They sing lovely songs.
F: oooookay
T: Oh.. didn't put any attention to the koalas..
T: No Pandas around either.. Tongue
F: hmm
T: This was nice Cheesy
T: Now I see a Panda Tongue
F: my guide said she sent you the picture, but i think we got separete anyway
F: there are 2 pictures in question
F: so we get the picture which is strongest
F: which is from our own guide
F: so we should agree on who sends the pictures i think
T: I think I put to much attention to the overall scene.. Let's try again and focus on the first animal we see, and figure out what it does and what surroundings it has..?
F: we will get different pictures dont you see ?
F: we need to specify what we want with this
F: to the guides
T: We want the telepathic connection to grow stronger.
F: yes
F: we want to communicate with pictures over distance
F: through telepathy
T: Yes
F: therefore there has to be a cooperation between the two guides
F: and they have to find a picture which is to be sent to the both of us
T: Yes
J: this can be done
J : yes i understand the exercise
F: hehe go home msn Wink
N: We have aquired the picture.
T: Smiley
F: Smiley
J: yes we have found the picture
T: Ok, are we ready?
F: yes
T: Single animal, find action and surroundings?
F: i allready got the picture
F: hmmm
F: just describe whats on it
T: An alligator, water, grass, a white bird.
F: its a gray brick castle with a bridge hanging over the river running around.
F: hmm
T: Allright.. maybe the alligator is in the river then..
J : YES
F: hehehe
F: it was on the thought of animals that brought you there i think
T: I did see the bird on some sort of rock fence.. You didn't see any of those around was there?
F: no
F: just the towers with spears with blue flags
F: tall rock fence ?
F: could it be the wall ?
T: Fairly tall, yes. I doubt it was big enough to be a wall, but maybe it was the "edge around the river..
F: could be, you could ask
N: no
T: Smiley
F: okay
T: Ok, let's try one more..
F: okay, lets try to make them show us the same perspective
T: Yes
T: Ready?
J : we will try to show the same perspective, but the thoughts can change this
F: yes
N: We have the picture..
T: Ready
F: yes i have it
T: You go first now
F: its a mayan pyramid with gras around it. It seems undisturbed. It has stairs up. A forest is there around it with no roads accessing the pyramid. The sun is setting and there is a golden/red light, illuminating the pyramid.
T: Oh well..
T: A house with a tree on the right side. The sink has a problem.
F: Smiley
F: i got leaves blocking my view at first, so had to move
T: Leaves from the tree, and you flew far off to the pyramid Smiley
F: hehehe
F: yes i suppose i did
F: i kind of merged into the other picture
T: This was not very exact was it.. Tongue
F: no
F: its hard, because we are different
T: Yes
F: it needs practice
F: but i think it can be done
T: Naren told me it could be difficult because of perception..
F: we need to tune with each other
F: just a guess
T: Yes well, but how?
F: practice
F: its like with the guessing letters
F: hehe
F: maybe we should try something simpler
T: Yes. I have done this with Mayatnik, and he even gave details I had noticed.. We should try something simpler
T: Exactly Smiley
F: great minds.....
T: Let's begin with a number then.. from zero to ten?
F: okay
F: no 0-9
T: Cut off..
T: Are you there?
F: 2 sec
F: back
F: how about 0-9
F: takes less time to write
T: Great
N: We are ready
J : we are ready
T: Got the number
F: 5
T: 2
F: next :
T: 3
F: 8
F: next
T: similar construction.. Now I have tried the "first thing to mind".. going to picture.
T: 9
F: 7
F: okay ill go with the pictures too then
F: next
T: 2!
F: 3
T: next
F: 7
T: 5
F: the seven keeps being there
T: Well..
F: i can see your house now (the picture from before)
T: Go look at the sink..what's wrong with it? what does it look like?
F: it looks like an old sink with some ripples on the side to make things dry off...there is a plug in the sink, but thats not the problem. Water cant run from the tap
T: What do you see where the water is supposed to tap from? Anything?
F: it seems to be chain
F: a chain
T: Hanging on the crane?
F: crane ?
F: yes i know what you mean
T: Erm.. the tap..
F: yes the neck of the tap
F: yes
F: so to speak
F: i feel pain in this house
T: I get some sort of cloth wrapped around it.. This could just be a symbol that there is something wrong with the sink.. or something wrong somewhere else..
F: when i look at the right
T: Let's go into the livingroom.. How would you describe it?
F: there is a door to the right which is open
F: and another door open to a room
T: I saw the open door too..
F: i got this horror feeling when i looked in
F: like a sound
T: I am in that room I think...it's old in here
F: yes
T: The walls are dirty, ugly pictures of people on the walls
F: i see a bed or something covered with a blancket
T: In the room you saw through the second door?
F: yes
F: ooh i c where you were
F: the hall ?
T: Yes that could be it..
F: yes, Jopeha comfirms
T: It is pretty big though..
T: Please go back to the bed and describe what it's covered with..
F: it is
F: its covered with a dark green blanket
F: very dark
F: its a small room for me
F: white or light blue pillow
T: I see gray blanket, could be gray due to dirt and dust, brownish allmost, the carpet itself seems to be brown.. A simple blanket, cheap.
F: i think its the light
T: I see a worn almost turquois pillow
F: i get this room as dark and not pleasant
F: its is because of the light i describe this way
F: a man has died in here
F: oooh i get shivers
T: Woman, alone, old.. I think she is walking in the hall still.. She has not been able to leave..
T: Yes! Her husband died in here!
F: biiiig shivers
F: YES
F: i see the woman
T: Let's move out into the hall, and find the staircase..
F: yes
T: The staircase is old..
F: hmm its treated well i think
T: Yes, but it has been there a long while..
F: yes
T: The walls are dirty.
T: What do you see when you reach the top?
F: i just see a big room with nothing...but this is normal for me
F: i need to get closer to things
T: A cat is walking along the wall, two doors to the left, they have been tore down.. This house has been redecorated..
F: oh yes i see the rooms now
F: for me its all made in the same kind of wood
F: different treated
T: Yes
F: i walk in the first room
F: lovely window
F: bookshelves
T: I shelf..
T: oh
F: yes
F: room for study
F: i dont think the woman uses this room much
T: Yes, there is a picture in a wastepaperbasket..a girl is on it, a young girl with dark hair..it's an old picture..it smells old.
F: it was the husband who used this
F: shes wearing a blue dress
T: Exactly
T: Smiley
F: Smiley
T: I'm going out of the room..
F: photographed in some park i think
F: okay
T: I go into the second one..
T: There is a bed in here as well
F: yes
F: at the end
T: Something yellow
F: yes the blanket
F: i get it too
T: Who used this room?
F: the woman
F: hmm
T: The girl on the picture used it as well
F: yes she did
F: there is a doll
T: Yes I jumped back in time..saw the old woman go to bed in there..
T: I'm back in present..
F: thats why i hesitated
F: several has used it
F: not the man though
T: Yes, the doll belonged to the girl, she played with it, she had a toy-car aswell..
T: No, the man did not use the room..
F: porcelain doll it looks like
T: I can not find the toy-car..
F: he was studying in the other room why she was a sleep, he was smooking and wore glasses
T: Yes I was the glasses earlier
F: why = while
T: was=saw
F: hehe
T: Smiley
F: hair put back
T: Describe his hair please
F: i dont see the toycar
T: Oh he had little hair..
F: well like brilliantine and commed to the back of his head
F: right
T: When he died he had gray, thin hair. Nicely commed back
F: aah yes, i get an early picture
F: there was a reading lamp lighting up that room while he was studying
T: It's hard.. time blends.. time is not relevant to us..
F: no
T: Yes I saw the lamp
F: the woman slept downstairs in that room where we were before
F: while he was studying
F: it must have been important
T: She used this room after the girl left
F: yes
T: Yes, he had an important job
F: i understand why
T: Tell me.. Because I too think I know why..
F: there is a bad vibe in that room where she used to sleep
T: Yes..
F: trouble sleeping there
F: ooh so quiet in the girls room
F: *shivers*
F: smooth silence
T: And she was very connected to the girl.. something happened to the girl.. the woman uses her room because of feelings.. she did not have a very good relationship with her husband..
F: yes they had difficulty
T: She has a problem with men.. She had a bad relationship with her father..
T: Yet she loved her husband..
F: they connected at some point in the beginning
T: They met when they were both young.. the woman was pretty..
F: the same hair back then
F: the husband i mean
T: Yes.. He was studying..
F: shirt and vest on
T: Exactly What was he studying?
F: i get a black and white photo of him
F: something with law
T: He has a small smile on the photo
F: yes
T: Yes with law, that was what I though.. he read many big books and attended large classes..
F: yes
F: i get why she couldnt sleep in the room, his ghost is there
T: The woman is very saddened.. Something has happened and her loved ones are gone..
F: and hes trying to apoligize and make things right again...he knows hes not been there for her
T: Do you think we can help him?
F: 2 sec...
F: back
F: ill try to find out
F: we can talk to him
F: and yes we can help him
F: he needs to understand that she will do fine in this life
F: she will be taken care of
T: Yes we can.. he want's our help to apoligize.. he can not move on utill that is done..
F: yes
F: hes crying
F: hes so unhappy
F: yes im comforting him
T: I am talking to the woman.. she does not listen..
F: his whole family is dead
F: i have his guide here
T: The girl is not their daughter.. I see the woman pregnant.. she lost the baby..
T: I see the guide
F: oh hes fine...*shivers*
T: We excange greetings
F: yes the guide smiles and she knows what to do
F: hes been taking care of now
F: being
F: WOW
F: *shivers*
T: The guide has a brilliant aura
F: oh yes glowing
T: Yes!
F: gentle smile
F: she taking him "home"
T: You saif wow..what did you see? I no longer see the man
F: so hes okay now
F: the guide took over for me
F: i had to comfort him and tell him that everything would be allright
T: Exellent..
F: he was very sad and crying, all his family was dead
F: but hes good now
T: The "bad vibes" have gone from the room
F: he still had tears on his cheeks as he looked down at me, with the guide on his right side
F: glowing
F: oh yes *shivers*
F: its good again *shivers*
F: *shivers*
F: i feel so GOOD
T: The woman will eventually find peace.. she will die peacefully..
F: that is very good
F: im very happy for them
T: I see her death..expressionless face.. she leaves without any trouble..
F: yes i see it too
F: sleep in
T: Yes
T: The house is empty and the cat I saw is gone.. the cat disappeared right after I saw it next to the wall.. we walked past eachother and it was gone.. Do you know where it is?
F: its out in the "garden"
T: I can not find the cat, nor the toy-car..
F: nature
F: black one rite ?
T: The toy-car is in a small flowerbed
T: Yes black cat
F: its out hunting near some trees
F: aaaah
F: yes i see the car
T: The toy-car is red.. The girl lived this car very much..
T: lived=loved
F: Smiley
T: They hunt deer here..
F: there seems to be a forest here
T: And rabbits.. there are many rabbits in the forest
F: is the house a logcabin ?
F: that was my first impression
T: Yes, a red-brown log-cabin..
F: oh yes thats the one
T: The hunters use dogs..
F: red/black cloth, top
F: hats on
F: green pants, like army green
T: Yes!
T: I see a hunter with a red cap..
F: i see one of them
F: yes brown, greasy hair not commed
F: bit long
F: not shaven
T: He has a rifle..meant for deer..
F: yes
F: holding a black dog in a tight leash
F: holding it back
F: like hes dragged by it
T: I do not see the dog..
F: different scenes/time
F: i see another one too
T: Yes there it is.. I shifted.. there are two dogs..
T: One of them is not in a leach..
F: he holding a rifle where the barrel is down like getting ready to lod
F: lod = load
F: i see it too
T: It's brown and runs around..
T: I think the dog is after a deer..or some other animal..
F: rabbit
F: or what he can seem to find
F: thats the attitude im getting
T: Yes there is a rabbit.. the dog seems to have picked up a scent..
T: The safety is off the rifle..
T: the safety-pin..
F: yes
F: i feel like its not that important with this man
T: I feel like we are done.. I am only looking at what I can find..
F: yes i understand
F: yes
T: There are mushrooms here..mosty near the trees..
T: White/gray ones..
F: i see some brown/white too
T: They can be eaten.. the woman used to cook them..
F: or yellow/white
T: Yes
F: she made some stew
F: the husband liked it
T: It's hard to tell the colours.. the light is yellow-red though the forest..
F: again, the light
T: Yes, she made good stew..I just tasted it..
F: hahah
F: i got a taste too, not too fond of it
F: eating bread with it
F: brown plates
F: white wine to the dish sometimes
T: Yes brown plates.. she used a small pot to make it in
F: yes
F: they would eat in the kitchen where we started
T: They were happy while eating.. The woman enjoyed having white wine.. it was something special..
F: yes i get that feeling too
F: but not the girl there
T: They bought meat from the hunters..
F: ooh
F: but not from that guy we saw
T: No I do not understand where the girl is, or who she is.. I saw their first child die in labour..
F: it was some1 related to him they bought from
T: Yes, they knew him well.. He lived in a small city nearby..
T: He is dead..
F: yes
F: i see a guy with black beard
F: a bit skinny
T: (I like being in the forest.. it's peacefull..)
F: Smiley
F: the guy is brother i think to the other hunter
F: with the greasy hair
T: The bearded man played with the husband while children..
F: oh yes i see them...running around
F: tumbling
T: They had a great time..
F: laughing
F: yes
T: They did not study together.. the bearded man did not study law..
F: no
F: but he helped building their house
T: YES!
T: Smiley
F: Smiley
T: The wife and husband were glad that he wanted to help.. He knew how to use a hammer..
F: and the brother too
F: but he was a bit in the background
T: I see the brother working on the opposite side of the house..
F: the connection was the with the bearded man
T: (perhaps symbolic?)
F: hmm
F: i see them working on the same side as well
F: the roof
T: Yes the roof!
F: with ladders
F: the brothers attitude was : allright this must be done
F: the bearded man : enjoyed it
F: helping his friend
T: They were given food and something to drink up ther by the woman.. they husband was happy and smiling.. he was standing on the ground.. he was pleased and loved his wife..
T: they=the
T: Yes.. the bearded man had a deeply pitched laughter.. he was laughing and though this was fun..
F: the brother was following the bearded mans footsteps...not too much passion in his doing
F: had nothing else to do
F: not to smart
T: He was helping because he was asked to by the bearded man, his brother..
F: yes
T: The bearded man was looking after the man with the greasy hair(his brother)..
F: i see him in school, difficulties
F: yes
T: He was kind though.. I can feel it..
F: yes
F: willing to help his brother
F: strong ties
T: He had an injury on his left foot.. it was infected, but is healing.. He got it from walking.. He did not like his boots..
T: He had a simple mind..
F: i feel like he was bullyed in school but his brother would stand up for him
F: yes simple mind
T: Yes the other children were picking on/teasing him, and he could not stand up for himself..
F: rite
T: (There is a cool breeze in the forest, most enjoyable)
F: Smiley
T: I want to go there to meditate some time..
F: oh yes i see what you mean
F: Smiley
T: The drink the woman gave the bearded man and his brother on the roof was hot chokolate.. She used chokolate bars and melted them in water.. I get the feeling also this was special...a luxory..
F: marshmellows
T: Maybe this was during a war..
F: hmm
T: There are wars going on in the world, but there are no wars around them..
F: i think this is in the US
T: Yes that's what I think too..
T: There is a river running further to the left of the house..
T: No fish in it..
F: conneticut
F: spelled wrong but you get the idea
T: Yes, the location has something to do with the river.. I was shown the river when trying to establish the location..
F: spelled right
F: heheh
T: Smiley
F: i just spelled like i saw the word
F: http://www.conneticut.com/maps/connecticut.html
T: There are brown butterflies in the forest aswell.. Some of them sit on mushrooms, some it trees..
F: its in Fairfield
T: http://www.tourism.state.ct.us/
T: There are many rivers there..
F: that makes sense
T: Yes Fairfield
F: near Danbury
F: but not in
T: Between Bridgeport and Danburry somewhere.. to the left
F: Smiley
T: Smiley
N: You have learned a lot
J: it was a good session
F: i think so too, incredible
F: we helped some1 tonight
T: Yes! What we started with was't much, but look waht we ended up with!
F: yeah, we started with a sink
F: remember i picked up the horror at the beginning
T: Smiley
F: amazing

This was my first rescue, and one of my favorites. Till next time.
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« Reply #439 on: February 06, 2004, 17:58:55 »

It seems that there are many people here contacting Zetas or something. They are saying important things, as some of you say. Why we just don´t resume all the important sayings from Zeta people?!
 I mean: if they say that in the eart will happen A, and then B and C, why not resume all that stuff in a separated topic? Afterall, to find such information in 30 pages (!) it´s like finding a needle in...you know!
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« Reply #440 on: February 06, 2004, 18:03:53 »

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It seems that there are many people here contacting Zetas or something. They are saying important things, as some of you say. Why we just don´t resume all the important sayings from Zeta people?!
 I mean: if they say that in the eart will happen A, and then B and C, why not resume all that stuff in a separated topic? Afterall, to find such information in 30 pages (!) it´s like finding a needle in...you know!


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« Reply #441 on: February 06, 2004, 19:53:22 »

Where?! Wich were the most important facts that were sayd?!
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« Reply #442 on: February 08, 2004, 04:50:11 »

Kazbadan, go there:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6924&whichpage=1
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« Reply #443 on: June 07, 2004, 10:38:40 »

Hello all, this is my first post to the forum.  I am intense into this thread and the pendulum information.  I haven't yet read all the pages, but do have my pendulum (crystal diamond shape) and have been using it according to instructions.  

Even though it seems this thread is no longer active, I am putting my question out there in case someone can help.

While using the pendulum, I have gotten fairly strong results, meaning the yes's and no's have been definitive, even with back to back questions of opposite answers. I initiated the pendulum and our relationship following the guidelines given by Mayatnik in the first post.

My question is this: My pendulum is giving "wrong" answers.  I had suspected this at first with subjects that were not immediately verifiable, and also I would sometimes get both a "yes" and then a "no" for the same question (or vice versa).  They yesterday I asked the pendulum where my hamster was hiding.  (My hamster Elmo is allowed to go around the room, and he has his favorite hiding places).  I asked if Elmo was hiding in the room in which I was sitting (no), then asked if he was hiding in the kitchen (yes), then asked if he was hiding under the stove (yes).  So I go behind the stove to look for him...  but no Elmo.  As I was returning to my seat in the living room, he pops out from behind a bookcase in the living room.  Clearly not under the stove in the kitchen as the pendulum said he was.  Like I said, this is not the only time when I am getting wrong answers... (but yes, it now occurs to me that perhaps I should have asked whether it was permissable to ask Elmo's whereabouts beforehand).  I keep the questions simple, and have a clear "searching" movement (circular).  So...  what can be done if I'm getting definitive wrong answers?  Things I can think of already (and have put into practice in varying degrees, but now will pay even more attention) are wording the questions simply, asking permission to ask in regards to entities besides myself (or when answer is unclear), and changing the wording of the question.  Is there any other reason that I would get wrong answers?

Thanks in advance...  lunacat
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« Reply #444 on: June 07, 2004, 14:46:18 »

Hi, me again.

Now I have tried several tests to understand whether the pendulum is giving me wrong answers.  I continued testing to see where my hamster Elmo is in the house, unable to locate him where the pendulum said he was.  I also asked if it was permissable to ask about Elmo's whereabouts and got a yes.

Now I have tested by asking my partner to choose a number between 1 and 100, then write on a piece of paper.  I asked if the number was between 1 and 10, by tens, clear up to 100.  At one point it answered yes when I asked if the number was between 50 and 60, so I went through every number individually from 50 to 60.  It told me no on every number but 58, and when I asked again on 58, it told me no.  I re-asked the set of 10s and got no on all sets!  The written number was 37 (but I didn't find out until after the next exercise)...  Then my partner wrote 3 numbers on a piece of paper and circled one.  He told me the 3 numbers allowed, but not which one he chose.  I asked the pendulum which one he chose, and the pendulum gave me 2 nos and 1 yes...  but the yes was not for the number in which he chose...  Huh  So, I'm beginning to get a little disappointed...
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« Reply #445 on: August 05, 2004, 21:09:15 »

The spirit that,is controlling your pendulum,is jerking you around.You got off easy.Always weave test questions into your list to help you to gauge the potential accuracy of the answers.

Also,much of the information posted in this,and probably all threads and forums,including others on the net,is incomplete,or inaccurate,and is based on the beliefs and/or experiences of the poster.

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« Reply #446 on: August 05, 2004, 21:35:02 »

T49 is correct here Luncat.

The pendulum itself knows nothing. It's just a tool. It's what's coming through from "the other side" that has the knowledge, and unless you know that what's on the other end is reliable, you could get any old rubbish. It could be compared to going into an unknown chat room on the internet, asking a question, and taking it for granted that the answers you get back will all be accurate.

Using the pendulum is not something that should be taken lightly. A basic understanding of spirit communications and psychic protection is essential before using a pendulum. Even then, when learning to use it, it is best that you do so under the watchful eye of someone who is experienced in communicating with spirits, so that you get to know the good from the bad.

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« Reply #447 on: June 19, 2003, 07:28:43 »

I promised I would start a topic thread on the subject of the Pendulum – and in fact this whole subject gives great insights into how the guides very often work ‘behind the scenes’ – so writing about it will present many potential ‘spinoffs’ as well as addressing this ‘tool’ of the Gods and its correct use, largely misunderstood completely.

Those who have heard of the Pendulum as a Divination ‘tool’ will most likely know of it through the Science of Dowsing, being one of three tools that have been employed (dowsing rods, L and Y type, being the other two)  over the centuries to locate water, oil, buried artifacts at archaeological digs, and even missing people – to name but a few of the many uses that Dowsers have turned into an accurate science.  A science is not by definition ‘spiritual’; it deals only with that which can be tested and accurately repeated – but in the word ‘divination’ there is a clue to its origin – as a spiritual tool.  Even the word ‘dowse’ has its roots in an old Scandavian word, meaning ‘divine’ – and similar derivitives from the original ancient word giving the additional meaning of something that uses ‘divine rules’ (dowh’xma – the “x” pronounced as in th eScottish word ‘loch’ – is the origin or the word ‘dogma’).    Hardly any Dowser thinks of it in that way (if they know what it means, that is!) today – or even in the last five hundred years that its extreme accuracy has been carefully documented by users, and now very well established Dowsing Societies that exist in virtually all countries. Dowsing has been ‘officially sanctioned’ by the White House and employed by the marines in the Vietnam war to locate mines, caves and other ambush areas – as well as by other governments, notably the Russian and Czechoslovakian, to which it has been standard issue.….. so, hardly a ‘spiritual’ history, it would seem; although, it has to be said, that the Russian government also endorses the teaching of Dowsing in its Universities and even a university degree can be obtained there in its use – because they, at least, look to its origin in Sumerian and Egyptian times when it most definitely was a ‘spiritual’ and practical ‘tool’ combined, and was recognised then as having been given and taught by the ‘Gods’ for the people to use.

I have said, elsewhere on the Astral Pulse, that it was by being introduced to the Pendulum that I gained the gift of Telepathy so very easily, and a guide was assigned to me for me to channel the words of the Pleiadians.  My guide later explained to me it was that way in ancient times also, for those who learned the CORRECT use of the Pendulum – and my guide, Karek (who incidentally incarnated on this earth in ancient times as both Inanna of the Sumerians and the Godess Isis of the  Egyptians) had taught me that correct use – as opposed to the ‘dowsing techniques’ that are employed as but a fragment of that lost Art that once was used in the building of the Great Pyramids along with the direct communication that the Stone Masons had with the ‘Gods’ who supervised the whole operation (the ‘plumb line’ is a relic, in masonic terms, of what was once known about the powerfulness of the Pendulum gifted by the ‘Divine’ from on high).

Karek has asked me to pass on the ‘correct’ methods of using the Pendulum to readers, so that they will be able to utilize this ‘communicator’  I shall, for reference only refer occasionally to the ‘traditional dowsing’ methods purely to illustrate the difference (and also the msconceptions), but essentially this article focusses on how you can use the Pendulum in its ‘advanced’ mode of operation – and which is very easy to use if you follow  the simple but important guidelines properly to ensure its accuracy.

First though, let’s dispel one misconception that may exist in the minds of some readers; the Pendulum is NOT in any way whatsoever like the Ouija board, which similarly can give ‘yes’ / ‘no’ answers.  Some people dabble with the ouija board, and I maske no bones about it – the ouija board is not a good thing to dabble with, and I would strongly urge that nobody ever does so.  the reason is fundamentally to do with the fact that more than one person normally uses the ouja board, sitting in a circle with their hands held on a glass or similar as a pointer and by ‘group subconscious consent’ the pointer held goes to the appropriate place to spell out Y or N (Yes/No) or even a word from the laid out alphabet.  It is in this ‘group subconscious consent’ that the problem lies with the ouja board – because each person is meant to have individual Free Will, and that will is given up to the collective minds of those present.  Depending on the strength of will of each individual there is the opportunity for ‘mind control’ to be exerted, especially ‘negatively oriented mind control – and this also leaves an electromagnetic ‘imprint’ on the board which will affect subsequent users and even the immediate surroundings in the area of that room, and this reinforces negativity.  This is only a brief and somewhat simplified explanation of the ‘astral-mechanics’ of its operation – but the conclusion is clear; never give up your Free Will as an individual, so never use the ouja board !

The Pendulum works on an entirely different principle, so can not ever give rise to the above mentioned ‘negativity’.  Furthermore – and this is the crucial point about it, in that respect and others – it will not even work at all if the person has wrong intent.  So, for example, someone who wanted to use the Pendulum for selfish ends, or to gain any advantage of another’s Free Will would find the Pendulum just hanging limp, unmoving – and no answer could be obtained.  The person with right intent will, in virtually every case (unless they are holding it in the wrong position, for example) get immediate and accurate results in the form of answers to their questions with no difficulty whatsoever.  I would like you to think for a few moments  about those two statements, and what they imply, as I explain the method of usage.

A Divination Pendulum is a thread / string / chain that is attached to a weight, and the weight or ‘bob’ will swing in one of two certain directions depending on whether the question asked of it requires a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’ response.  The Pendulum should be held for accuracy in use, in front of the body with the ‘bob’  about 6 inches directly in front of the breastbone for the beginner especially to ensure the strongest ‘signal’ to activate it and start it moving in the appropriate direction.  Which direction this is (left-right, across the body) or in-out (at right angles to the body) actually will depend on the genetic make-up of the person, and where on the globe their ‘family’ genes originated broadly speaking.  For me, left-right means ‘yes’, and in-out means ‘no’ in response to any question.  But, as I have noticed with a small number of pupils, the opposite applies, with in-out signifying ‘yes’ and side to side meaning ‘no’.  Although the Pendulum can actually be ‘programmed’ by the user to obtain any desired direction of movement for a particular response, the way in which it operates will be determined by its natural inclination when you ask the ‘initialisation’ questions to find out exactly what movemnts signify ‘yes’ and ‘no’.

When a new Penulum is bought (or made) the user should stand or sit with back straight and legs not crossed and, with the Pendulum held in the right hand (two fingers holding the ‘string’ to give a length from hand to ‘bob’ of approximately 9 inches), making sure the Pendulum is about 6 inches directly in front of the breastbone (to allow for adequate in-out swings), and ask the following questions:

--- “Give me a ‘yes’, please”.   The Pendulum should swing in whatever direction is appropriate for that ‘yes’ response. Note it.

--- “Give me a ‘no’, please”.  Since the Pendulum will be expected to move at right-angles for this response, it would seem redundant to ask; however, it is always good practice to double-check with the Pendulum, especially when something is important (as this initial set-up certainly is), and moreover serves to ‘prove’ the ‘yes’ answer as well as indicating that all is well with the Pendulum in producing the correct ‘no’ response to this latter question.

If you are buying one, then the term Crystal Pendulum is understood to be a ‘divination’ tool.  There is actually no need for it to have a crystal ‘bob’, but a divination Pendulum bought will normally have been designed so that at the end of an appropriate length of thread of chain (depending on how much you want to pay) the crystal will be shaped to give the best movement without twisting (since that would interfere with the smooth response, and could confuse the user); also the ‘diamond’ shape of such a crystal is symbolic, representing bi-directional communication – and this imparts a ‘ritual’ element that subconsciously tells the mind that this is ‘special’.  But once you start to use the Pendulum you will realise that it is indeed special, and will need no reminder.  So, provided you select a ‘bob’ of an appropriate weight that is not too heavy or too light for easy movement and whatever it may be attached to – and also ensuring that it is not of a shape that will easily cause twisting – then virtually anything can be used for a Pendulum that you may have in your rummage drawer or around the house.  Although, as a teacher,  I have a couple of clear quartz crystal Pendulums, an obsidion one and also a beechwood Pendulum (this latter ideal for chakra diagnosis, but too light to be practical for the beginner), I tend to demonstrate using ordinary objects……such as a mortise or yale house-key, a reasably sized machine nut, or a few washers….. attached to a string, or shoelace; and the typical bathplug and chain are ideal (though lacking in ‘charisma’!)… and I’ve even utilized an orange in a polythene supermarket bag, which works just as well (though I wouldn’t recommend it for the beginner, since it is a bit on the ‘heavy’ side).  I’ve been asked whether a pendant, of sentimental value, on a chain can be used.  While this may seem to be absolutely ideal, it has to be born in mind that in use there will be over time wear and tear (you’d be surprised how much!), so if you want to use a pendant then I would suggest using it only occasionally, in case of accidental damage – but that defeats the object of the Pendulum, which you will find to be in frequent use as you realise it’s enormous potential; an ordinary Pendulum bought or made is what will serve you best.

Reading through these instructions carefully is well worthwhile – because, although the Pendulum will work after a fashion instantly you pick it up in any case, getting it ‘right’ will ensure that it will always be accurate; it is, after all, an instrument of Truth, extremely valuable therefore.

The Pendulum has suffered supression at times in our history, particularly in the 1500s when the Church of Rome banned its use – as they did with many other things also – claiming it to be ‘of the Devil’  Nevertheless, it survived (though supressed in England) in Germany and with vitality in France, since the French took no notice whatsoever of Rome’s ‘ban’ – and, in fact, French Police records of that period show that the police force employed Divinators in cases where murder objects and thieves could not be tracked down – reminiscent of how we use drug-tracker dogs today.  The accounts are remarkable in themselves to read, in the precision, quickness of detection…..even though in many cases the divinator and his Pendulum travelled many miles on a particular ‘scent’, from town to town tracking the source from the places a wanted person had been to – the Pendulum was ‘instructed’ to look for a certain object or whatever, and it was recorded by the police as the divinator silently but surely closed in on the source which could be miles and miles away from the ‘crime scene’.  And, even today, a Pendulum is used by an experienced Dowser in its ‘divination’ mode to find missing children, and firemen have used the tool also to locate people buried under rubble where it would otherwise not be possible.  So, we do know that the Pendulum responds accurately to questions, statements and instructions.

Since lingering traces of old religious conditioning remain with some people, for those – and I would in fact recommend it in all cases, for a person to be absolutely certain in their minds since it is important to have a good ‘rapport’ with the Pendulum – there is a Kantra and a little ritual that is very powerful indeed, and which can be used when one first buys or makes a Pendulum (before using it for the first time).

All rituals, of whatever kind are powerful, and even more so if the person understands what the ritual means – so I shall explain it as I go along……

The Pendulum (complete with thread or chain) should be washed in cold running tap water.  This obviously connotes the washing away of any impurity that has become attached to it.  Some ‘New Age’ books advocate soaking overnight in certain ‘beneficial’ salts, and then washing off afterwards.  This actually gives a message to the mind – namely to have Fear of impurity clinging to the surface, and even the washing off afterwards does not remove that ‘thought form’ that has been created by the mind, due to an imbued Fear – and since Fear is negative, then it is in no way helpful.  The simple is always the best; so, simply hold the Pendulum and it’s chain in one hand and allow running water to pass over it.  After which, simply dry with a shaking movement of the hand (rather than drying on a cloth, another Fear inducer); this action, in its simplicity evokes a confident and positive frame of mind – we are happy to simply shake dry in the fresh air.

Next, the Pendulum should be placed in the centre of a white cloth or napkin, etc – white being a symbol for ‘purity of intent’ in where we leay it carefully, and in how we intend to use the Pendulum.

Now, stood in front of the Pendulum on its white, bring your hands together, palms down towards the Pendulum, and in the shape of a St Adrew’s Cross (‘X’ shape) at a height of about 6 inches from the table, with the left hand under the right, but the right hand not touching the left.  The St Andrew’s Cross predates Christianity, and in fact is a symbol of Sumerian times when it meant ‘Of Divine Interaction’ (two lines crossing at right angles means ‘interaction’, and the shape was a cuneform ‘symbol’ for the Divinity, the ‘Gods’); the hands not touching each other, signify that ‘right’ shall transcend all other and not be touched by it.

Ready at this stage (it takes much longer to write than to perform, although throughout it should be done with great respect and reverence) we can now say the Kantra (again with great respect):

LET THIS PENDULUM BE TO ME
WHAT GOD WANTS IT TO BE,
AND LET IT KEEP ME SAFE FROM HARM
TO MAKE HIS WILL BE FREE.


The word ‘God’ can be replaced by any suitable word or phrase that corresponds with your ‘belief’ system – though it is not recommended to do this as it interferes with the ‘metre’ of the verse which is an important element of reinforcement, so it is better to ‘think’ the required concept while ascribing the word ‘God’ to that meaning.  What is vital in this ritual, however, is to have in mind the HIGHEST source you can think of, and say it with the greatest reverence.

Finally, you should hold the St Andrew’s Cross position for a few reverent moments, and then widthdraw your hands sideways to break the spell, but which at the same time binds it to the Pendulum as an instrument of that Highest Source.  I have always found, that my hands somehow ‘know’ when to part at the end of this ritual – and you may, indeed, feel them pull sideways out from the position, or at least feel a tendency to want to do this.  If you can do it like that, then you are certainly ‘in tune’ with the intent given to the Pendulum.

The ritual is complete and will last for as long as you are the owner of the Pendulum; it knows its own, and will even obey your pure intent if in the hands of another, either performing correctly or absolutely refusing.

It is worthwhile taking a moment or two before you come to the stage of applying the ritual, in reflecting on what the words of the verse really mean.  Because, if you say them then that is what you mean.
The first two lines are allowing OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL for God to let the Pendulum be used ONLY for what  God wants it to be used – and that is, for ‘good’ as God sees it in His Higher Wisdom.
The last two lines explicity empower the Pendulum to act only if it will not result in your harm, in the way that God understand these things in His Higher Wisdom, whilst ensuring that His Will is Free at all times in this over any influence placed on the Pendulum.  Powerful indeed!

So, now you have a Pendulum that works to give you answers to whatever you ask.  Well, most things (as the Kantra makes clear) that is.  You certainly will not get any answer to questions about another person’s private life - what they’re up to is their concern, whether you may be concerned about their welfare in your way of thinking or not.  Only in certain exceptional cases of missing persons (usually they have the right to go missing if they want to, to put it simply) will a clear answer be obtained, although you may be able to ascertain the general ‘area’ of their whereabouts and whether they are ‘alright’ – all this provided it does not take away their Free Will, which is paramount.  If in doubt (and this is a good general rule when embarking on such types of questions) you should ask, “Is it permissable for me to ask about……….” (whatever).  If you get a ‘NO’, then that is difinitive; ask no further for a direct answer, and I would suggest until very experienced you should change the subject.
Respect for the source supplying the answer is not only etiquette, but lack of it is negativity of attitude and any tendency whatsoever towards disrespect should be avoided at all costs in your interaction with the Pendulum.

There is one more Penduum movement that can occur in normal operation when asking questions for a 'yes'/'no' resonse - and that is a CIRCULAR motion.  This actually means that the Pendulum is  "SEARCHING", since in that instance the answer is not immediately available due to serveral factors needing to be taken into account.  An example of this would be if you asked "Is my nearest motorway busy today?"  The Pendulum would first need to locate the motorway NEAREST to you (search mode), then it would need to ascertain what busy actually means to your area - since this is a realitive context - but this will involve checking other like days for a comparison to be made (search mode) --- only after all this can it give you the answer, 'yes' or 'no'.  So, if it starts to spin, you will need wait until it finishes (it may even pause briefly as it 'ticks off' an intermediate answer)only after evrything is searched and checked will it settle into the usual 'swing' indicating the answer.  This motion of circling is one that causes much confusion to 'Dowsers' - many mistakenly over the years have taken it to mean 'yes'....and for them it does indeed convey 'yes'.  What has happened with Dowsers, is that they have effectively 'regprogrammed' their Pendulum - and now, as a result the 'default mode' of operation contains the circling to indicate 'yes'.  But, in this they have lost a valuable indicator, plus the search option for some.  If, for any reason, your Pendulum gives a circular movement to indicate 'yes' or 'no' even, then you should say to it, "Can you please go to 'advanced mode', and continue in that mode until such a time as I instruct you otherwise - thank you" - and it should then go to the 'advanced mode', as explained in this 'correct' usage methodology presented here.  If by any chance, it should seem to foul up, you can always say to it, "Please revert to 'default' mode.... and it will either assume you are a Dowser (traditional default), or update preperly to 'advaced mode' and it will in th eprocess correct any faulty programming you may have given it.  Then of course, check what movements give 'yes' and 'no', and finally say, "Is circling 'search mode', please?".  That covers all the basics regarding movements at this stage in learning.

I am happy to answer any questions from members regarding the proper use of the Pendulum, and some of those questions will only arise with use of it – so are for another time.  However, before I end here for now, there is one final and very important point I have to make, which is this:  Garbage in, Garbage out…….so says the old Computer Adage – and it applies to how you phrase your questions as to how accurate the answers will be.  Basically you can obtain an answer to any statement or to any question.  You can, with care, put them both together, and say, for example: “I have here a statement: ……” and give the statement.  Then say, “I would like to ask – Is this true?”.  This form of questioning is very good if reading from books, and wanting to ascertain what is accurately written or otherwise.  As you get more experienced, you can actually read and – while reading – watch the Pendulum out of the corner of your eye.  If it starts to swing ‘yes’ or ‘no’ then you have your answer to that short section (and make it short – in nibbles of one sentence at a time normally).  Above all, whatever your question… keep it simple.  Any question with the word ‘and’ in it is more than likely to be two questions at least, so the rule is: one at a time gives a clear answer.  If you are reading from a book and seeking answers, then bear in mind that even if a person in question is dead, then they may well have surviving relatives – and NO answer will be given if it would cause them harm in any way by anyone knowing, whether you are aware of it or not, the rule applies, that the truth is private to that person and their Free Will will not be violated.

Lastly, sloppy or ‘slang’ expressions, idiomatic speech and clearly ambiguous phrases that could be taken either way should be avoided; use only ‘correct’ speech whenever possible, or explain the meaning of the word if there is no alternative.  Be clear in how you put the question, and the answer will be similarly clear and precise.  And the golden rule to cap them all is --- if you are not certain, or want to double-check on something you’ve asked, then find a second, lateral or oblique way of putting it, because remember, there are very often shades of meaning in our language.  As you progress you will become more and more skillful at putting questions and interpreting the answers that may well – and should, wherever possible – lead you to further questions.  Don’t just accept ALL answers as definitive; if in doubt always double-check, and if possible explore some ‘background’.  In actual practice you will find it easier than you think just reading this here and now, because you will very often find that questions just ‘pop’ into your head seemingly from nowhere; they are in virtually all cases like that coming from a guide who will be watching and monitoring your progress to help you along – and to also teach you higher perspectives and levels of understanding in general, so be aware of this also at all times.

I know at this moment of writing, that there are at least 3 Pendulum users on the Astral Pulse website – and they, I know, are looking forward to this article.  To them - and to all who are coming to the Pendulum for the first time also – I say, let us know how you get on, because in sharing our thoughts, knowledge or experiences, we learn so much from each other - and that’s what this site is all about.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

PS>-----------------------------
To keep this article as short as is practicable, I have left out methods of ‘Tranditional Dowsing’ since, although the are accurate in their own way, they are limited in their application and are in virtually all cases radically different in methodology to the ‘advanced’ methods given to me by my guide to pass on here.  The ‘Traditional Dowsing’ methods would in any event be confusing to all but the purely academic reader at this stage where the correct approach is being stressed.  So, although a fascinating area – particularly in the investigation of ley lines, energy vortices plus the detection of underground streams and electromagnetic ‘grid’ lines – both of which latter have been found by German scientists to affect health, and Dowsing practices have been adopted by the German authorities in many cases prior to Planning Permission being granted, these I have left for another time, because they are essentially a different subject.
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